Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion


Russian mod claims to have destroyed 16 tanks and stopped the Ukrainian offensive (that hasn't started yet). No word on whether the tanks were driven by polish mercenaries or British SBS.

e: archives. They keep inflating the number of troops killed. No official word on whether any offensive has actually started.

edit 2: Ukraine offensive might be starting


Ukrainian forces are "shifting to offensive actions" in some areas, the country's Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Malyar has said.

Ukrainian military sources told the BBC that a series of small scale armoured offensive operations were under way.

They did not say whether this was the start of Ukraine's long awaited full scale counter-offensive.

Earlier, Russia's defence ministry said it thwarted a major Ukrainian attack in Donetsk.

Ms Malyar described the eastern city of Bakhmut as the "epicentre of hostilities", and claimed Russian forces were on the defence there as well as in the south.

The commander of Ukraine's ground forces, Gen Oleksandr Syrskyi, said troops were "moving forward" towards Bakhmut and had destroyed a Russian position near the city.

A major Ukrainian counter-offensive has been long awaited but Kyiv has already said it would not give advance warning of its start.

However with Ukraine claiming to have made marginal gains elsewhere on the front line, there has been a notable increase in military activity.

The latest reports are therefore being seen as a fresh sign that the expected Ukrainian push may have begun.

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Gas is used for short term peak satisfaction, as you stated, and then reduced as soon as solar kicks in.
Gas, coal, hydro, and nuclear can serve as reliable base load power sources, while solar and wind cannot (at least not yet but I hope that day comes). You need at least one of these other sources at all times, not just during demand peaks. It isn’t as simple as turning on the gas or coal plant when demand is high and then shutting them off or ramping them down when demand falls off, although as you state gas plants are better at this. Europe will be reliant, as will the rest of the world, on fossils fuels for the foreseeable future although wind and solar will increase in use.

As an aside, I was at a conference recently where people in the coal market said they were still importing Russian coal, simply passing it through China to make it “Chinese” coal and then importing it from there. Similarly, Russian oil exports are actually back to pre-pandemic levels thanks to China and India explicitly stating they don’t give a fuck about some war in Europe.

The point being that Russia was in no serious danger of losing a large portion of its revenue to wind and solar. LNG posed a much more serious risk but even then they were in the process of establishing direct pipelines to their main end users via Nordstream 2.

This is a lot of autism to say that the invasion of Ukraine was profoundly stupid for many reasons, but it was not really a serious threat initially to Russian energy revenue in the long term.
 
Everything about the tank is unproven in a real combat environment
The armor is untested, the gun is untested, the drive train isn't tested, and the APS is also a hopeful wish.

Its got some good ideas, but the only thing I know is a tank never performs to specs.



That doesn't really matter to me.
Everyone has got to fight to be free.
The drive train was tested in the rigorous Parade environment and appeared to be less than ideal.
 
Lazerpig already said it's a garbage tank.
LazerPig is a faggot, a furry, a wet brained drunk, and utterly retarded.
More over, his video on the T-14 was riddled with errors
More in my post here

the unmanned turret its just one small failure away from turning the whole tank useless
If a turret is electronically/hydraulically driven, has electronic thermal sights, is auto loaded, and a remote topside weapon already, why put people in it? It's not like the damned thing is any useful when hand cranked.
they should've kept the old autoloader system but give it a proper firewall and door so the turret wouldnt go airborne after a hit
That door would have to inches thick to provide meaningful protection and rotate with the turret. Severally hampering the speed of rotation and making auto follow and balance a much bigger problem.
The solution is a door + blow out panels. Adding blow out panels with a carousal design under the turret isn't practical.

The drive train was tested in the rigorous Parade environment and appeared to be less than ideal.
The driver engaged the e-brake. That tank drove itself away under it's own power during the parade.
 
If a turret is electronically/hydraulically driven, has electronic thermal sights, is auto loaded, and a remote topside weapon already, why put people in it? It's not like the damned thing is any useful when hand cranked.
It generally helps to have people in the turret if something goes wrong with the autoloader, if i'm remembering what people with more experience in the matter have said correctly. That way you can, you know, access the gun without having to flee combat to get it fixed.
 
It generally helps to have people in the turret if something goes wrong with the autoloader, if i'm remembering what people with more experience in the matter have said correctly. That way you can, you know, access the gun without having to flee combat to get it fixed.
Then the question is what goes wrong, and can it be addressed reliably. If it can be, see engineering time and money, then it is no longer a problem.

Remote turrets are smaller and lighter. Those aspects are generally sought after, the ask is if the juice is worth the squeeze.
 
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If a turret is electronically/hydraulically driven, has electronic thermal sights, is auto loaded, and a remote topside weapon already, why put people in it? It's not like the damned thing is any useful when hand cranked.
I am surprised that fully robotized tanks haven’t appeared in this conflict yet.
Especially with substandard captured USSR shit, why not rig up some servos and cameras to it, add some kind of autoloader and go on a remote control kildozer rampage. Even as a decoy.
 
I am surprised that fully robotized tanks haven’t appeared in this conflict yet.
Especially with substandard captured USSR shit, why not rig up some servos and cameras to it, add some kind of autoloader and go on a remote control kildozer rampage. Even as a decoy.
I know the Marines have been testing a lot of RC ground combat platforms.

If you pop a CROWS off an MRAP and bolt it to a Gator, run the controls through a military-grade RC system like Dragonlink, bingo-bango you've basically got what they're using.
 
It's funny how the US puts great emphasis on technology, operates an all-volunteer force, isn't afraid of using expensive electronics and complex systems - yet doesn't bother with an autoloader. Meanwhile Russia has a focus on ruggedness, heavy use of conscription and depends on the West for microchips, yet they tried to make an unmanned turret.

Between that and all the other systems, Russia definitely bit off more than they can chew. It would be more surprising if they actually succeeded without spending a trillion dollars like the F-35.
I am surprised that fully robotized tanks haven’t appeared in this conflict yet.
Especially with substandard captured USSR shit, why not rig up some servos and cameras to it, add some kind of autoloader and go on a remote control kildozer rampage. Even as a decoy.
Because tanks, even old ones, are expensive and humans are cheap. For the low price of 3 mobiks you can give your tank self-repair, advanced intelligence and resistance to jamming. For a country like Japan or the USA it might make sense to save on manpower, not for the poorest country in Europe.
 
As an aside, I was at a conference recently where people in the coal market said they were still importing Russian coal, simply passing it through China to make it “Chinese” coal and then importing it from there. Similarly, Russian oil exports are actually back to pre-pandemic levels thanks to China and India explicitly stating they don’t give a fuck about some war in Europe.

The point being that Russia was in no serious danger of losing a large portion of its revenue to wind and solar. LNG posed a much more serious risk but even then they were in the process of establishing direct pipelines to their main end users via Nordstream 2.

This is a lot of autism to say that the invasion of Ukraine was profoundly stupid for many reasons, but it was not really a serious threat initially to Russian energy revenue in the long term.
Agreed to a degree - this ties into the idea of BRICS as an entity in general, but India is a terrible country for exporting things to. As recently as May, Russia and India suspended trade because India wants to buy in Rupees and nobody wants to be stuck holding Rupees because India's largest export is...Refined Petroleum, which they buy from Russia to resell. India has a horrible export economy and their currency is garbage.

China is a 'better' trade partner because you can import more goods from them and their currency isn't quite as dogshit useless as Rupees. Even then, the quality of goods and raw materials exported from China is always suspect on the international stage. The massive influx of Chinese automotives into Russia since 2022 or so has not been well-received and they are by-and-large pieces of shit from the factory.

While Russia isn't immediately fucked, Russia didn't do itself favors in the long-term with its trade partners and 'strengthening relationships' with them.
 
While Russia isn't immediately fucked, Russia didn't do itself favors in the long-term with its trade partners and 'strengthening relationships' with them.
I appreciate knowing that I am not the only one on this weirdo gossip site that knows a thing or two about international trade. I know some horror stories about trading with both China and India— thankfully not my own.

Agreed on your conclusion. Long term Russia has dug itself in a hole that it cannot get out of without a regime change and even then who knows. I think my point in my prior post, which was admittedly meandering, was that regardless of war or not solar and wind did not pose a serious threat to Russian energy exports to Europe.
 
Agreed to a degree - this ties into the idea of BRICS as an entity in general, but India is a terrible country for exporting things to. As recently as May, Russia and India suspended trade because India wants to buy in Rupees and nobody wants to be stuck holding Rupees because India's largest export is...Refined Petroleum, which they buy from Russia to resell. India has a horrible export economy and their currency is garbage.

China is a 'better' trade partner because you can import more goods from them and their currency isn't quite as dogshit useless as Rupees. Even then, the quality of goods and raw materials exported from China is always suspect on the international stage. The massive influx of Chinese automotives into Russia since 2022 or so has not been well-received and they are by-and-large pieces of shit from the factory.

While Russia isn't immediately fucked, Russia didn't do itself favors in the long-term with its trade partners and 'strengthening relationships' with them.
I appreciate knowing that I am not the only one on this weirdo gossip site that knows a thing or two about international trade. I know some horror stories about trading with both China and India— thankfully not my own.
Doing business with developing BRICS nations like China reminds me of this 4chan thread back in 2016, when an anon describes the horrors of dealing with the Chinese, even as a Mandarin-speaker. They are even able to outscam Russians:
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Out of the all the BRICS nations to do business with, I would have to choose Russia. China and India are too scammy, Brazil is a political mess, along with its stratified racial caste system, and South Africa is run by the ANC (enough said). At least Russia is actually a highly-developed nation. I still wouldn't do even a Steam Market transaction with a Russian.
It's funny how the US puts great emphasis on technology, operates an all-volunteer force, isn't afraid of using expensive electronics and complex systems - yet doesn't bother with an autoloader. Meanwhile Russia has a focus on ruggedness, heavy use of conscription and depends on the West for microchips, yet they tried to make an unmanned turret.
The AbramsX will have both an autoloader and an unmanned turret, making it a three-crew tank, over the current Abrams' four-crew setup.
 
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The AbramsX will probably be significantly different from what is envisioned now, after the Pentagon spends 5 billion dollars on ideas that end up being total bullshit then another 5 billion to develop something workable

Not that I'm criticizing, all the "wasted" money on the development process is why Western weapons actually work in the field very well

Muh F-35, infamous for all the money spent on it, is such a shit plane that the Jews use it almost daily with 100% success blowing up Iranians in Syria
 
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The AbramsX will probably be significantly different from what is envisioned now, after the Pentagon spends 5 billion dollars on ideas that end up being total bullshit then another 5 billion to develop something workable
Oh it will definitely be different. The X is basically just General Dynamics taking all the shit they've heard the army is considering in a future tank and slapping it in one hull to demo how they work. Even they admit it's not an actual proposed variant as is. It'll be interesting to see how the Ukraine stuff shapes it, especially once we have combat data from Western tanks against Russia's nominal best.
>inb4 Russia isn't sending their best cope
 
Out of the all the BRICS nations to do business with, I would have to choose Russia.
110%, Russia is/was by far the easiest on this list to do business with. I generally have found they were trustworthy, reliable, and held true to their contracts. Russian courts would even, in some cases, rule against Russian businesses in disputes which is totally unheard of in places like China and to a lesser extent India. Never dealt with Brazil and don’t want to.

TL;DR it is much easier and better to do business with white people than with others.
 
Oh it will definitely be different. The X is basically just General Dynamics taking all the shit they've heard the army is considering in a future tank and slapping it in one hull to demo how they work. Even they admit it's not an actual proposed variant as is. It'll be interesting to see how the Ukraine stuff shapes it, especially once we have combat data from Western tanks against Russia's nominal best. >inb4 Russia isn't sending their best cope Watching the Ukraine War has been interesting from a purely technical standpoint to say the least.

Watching the whiplash of entire tank columns being obliterated by light Infantry in the Battle of Kiev, to the grinding trench warfare and the return of tanks running over infantry with their treads in the Battle of Bakhmut. Over it all, the pervasive use of drones.

I think the future of armored warfare is similar to what happened to the navy and their Battleships. The era of big metal behemoths slugging it out with guns at direct fire range is over. Now is the era of the drone, and the guided ATGM with artillery support.

Though it pains me to admit it, the Army of the 21st century may have to learn the hard lesson the Navy learned in the 20th century. Picture if you will, an Armoured "drone carrier", on tracks. It's protected by "escorts" providing air defense and immediate ground support, but it's purpose is to either launch attack drones for over the horizon missions, or recon drones to feed data to nearby armored tank destroyers. These "destroyers" are armed with guided ATGMs and some mild anti air weaponry, most likely a chain gun like exists on the Ah64 Apache or the Bradley's main gun for Anti Drone and close in firing.

For anything that requires heavier firepower, they just call in Artillery to law waste to the terrain. I think such an armored formation would absolutely devastate any and all existing military formations on the planet righ now.
 
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Oh it will definitely be different. The X is basically just General Dynamics taking all the shit they've heard the army is considering in a future tank and slapping it in one hull to demo how they work. Even they admit it's not an actual proposed variant as is. It'll be interesting to see how the Ukraine stuff shapes it, especially once we have combat data from Western tanks against Russia's nominal best.
>inb4 Russia isn't sending their best cope
I don't think the Ukrainians are getting the latest models of Western tanks. I heard the extra DU armor for the M1 was taken off before being sent to Ukraine. That might have an impact on the data. The Russians might get a chance to see one of them. Maybe send it back to Russia and see how a real tank is made.
LazerPig is a faggot, a furry, a wet brained drunk, and utterly retarded.
More over, his video on the T-14 was riddled with errors
More in my post here


If a turret is electronically/hydraulically driven, has electronic thermal sights, is auto loaded, and a remote topside weapon already, why put people in it? It's not like the damned thing is any useful when hand cranked.

That door would have to inches thick to provide meaningful protection and rotate with the turret. Severally hampering the speed of rotation and making auto follow and balance a much bigger problem.
The solution is a door + blow out panels. Adding blow out panels with a carousal design under the turret isn't practical.


The driver engaged the e-brake. That tank drove itself away under it's own power during the parade.
I don't do the "shoot the messenger" thing. It doesn't really matter what lazerPig is. Yes, I know he is a fag and weirdo. But he was still right. The T-14 is a garbage tier tank.
In the West where politicians and the people get squeamish AF over any of their countries military personnel getting killed in combat, it makes sense to them to go with smaller crew sizes.
Especially when you are literally running out of people young enough to stick in a tank that can operate it.
It's funny how the US puts great emphasis on technology, operates an all-volunteer force, isn't afraid of using expensive electronics and complex systems - yet doesn't bother with an autoloader. Meanwhile Russia has a focus on ruggedness, heavy use of conscription and depends on the West for microchips, yet they tried to make an unmanned turret.

Between that and all the other systems, Russia definitely bit off more than they can chew. It would be more surprising if they actually succeeded without spending a trillion dollars like the F-35.

Because tanks, even old ones, are expensive and humans are cheap. For the low price of 3 mobiks you can give your tank self-repair, advanced intelligence and resistance to jamming. For a country like Japan or the USA it might make sense to save on manpower, not for the poorest country in Europe.
The US doesn't use autoloaders because they are shit. If the autoloader stops working they are screwed. You saw what happens to Russian tanks with autoloaders and ammo carousels. The turrets fly up in the air. You also lose a crew member that can help with repairs and other tasks. Russian and US tank design philosophies are very different as well.
 
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