Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

The Russian decapitation strikes must have been extremally effective at killing every competent leader. The Ukrainians are just sending in men and material to die with no reason or strategy in sight.



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If a nuke went off, you'd know it.


More likely:
-UKR using their naval drones
-UKR sending a mine down the river
-UKR opening the dams upstream to overload the dam
-UKR doing some SOF shit
-Shitty Stalin-era dam failing due to lack of maintenance and shelling by UKR
You misunderstand. A SADM is basically a stealth nuke. The maximum amount of firepower with the least amount of radiation possible. Perfect for maintaining plausible deniability.

It's for use against specific targets and Underwater the radiation is so neglectable it wouldn't be detected as it washes away. it's not implausible the Ukrainians did it, but with how depleted of manpower and common sense they've been It has to be foreign special forces.
I see what you did there.
Happy coincidence, this was before they blew it up.




Check out how scared and anxious this white house gook looks. We didn't blow up that dam.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1666463256376926209 (Ive forgotten what the quick archive link is)


Russia doesn't need nukes to destroy Kiev. All the gotta do is go tit for tat and blow up their fucking Chernobyl dam and bury them under radiation.
 
Could ukraine heavily shell an NPP to cause/hope to cause, a nuclear explosion?
Are you fucking retarded? Nuclear reactors cannot produce nuclear explosions. Not even the explosion of Chernobyl Unit 4 was nuclear (it was a pair of violent steam explosions).

Nuclear explosions are the result of precisely designed and manufactured devices comprised of highly-enriched radioactive core material surrounded by carefully balanced and calibrated shaped explosive charges, all detonated in precisely the right order to compress the core enough to prompt nuclear fusion, releasing absurd amounts of energy in a gigantic blast.

Nuclear reactors don't use material enriched enough to be useful as a weapon. NPP's are not equipped with shaped explosive charges, and they are not weapons. The worst that can ever happen is Chernobyl -- a violent explosion resulting from immense steam pressure overwhelming the containment vessel that results in the release and spread of radioactive fuel.

You can slam a jumbo jet into the side of a containment building, plant a pile of TNT inside it and set it off, call it mean names, or let Ukrainians run it just how they ran Chernobyl, and it'll still never give you that coveted glowing mushroom cloud. It'll just burp radiation and make people sick. But it won't vaporize anybody no matter how much you try to make it.
 
Nuclear explosions are the result of precisely designed and manufactured devices comprised of highly-enriched radioactive core material surrounded by carefully balanced and calibrated shaped explosive charges, all detonated in precisely the right order to compress the core enough to prompt nuclear fusion, releasing absurd amounts of energy in a gigantic blast.
It took a team of some of the best physicists in the world years to make it work. If you could do it accidentally with an artillery shell, WWII would have gone very differently.
 
This is one of the most batshit insane things I think I've read out of the US since the Ukraine conflict started. Haven't seen the neocon kool-aid guzzled quite this way since the Bush-Cheney regime. The article comments are even MORE nuts than the article itself. I'll add some if I have time. I guess I'm naive enough to expect a small degree of decorum from the NY Times, even in an opinion piece. Well, it wasn't here. As best I can tell the endgame of this guy's scheme is nuclear war. And he almost seems to welcome it.

An Endgame for Ukraine / https://archive.ph/N0LmE

It may be that Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive, which could be in its early stages, will be as fruitless as Russia’s winter offensive. Defenders typically have advantages over attackers in trench warfare, and the Russian Army has had months to dig in.
But it’s also possible that the Ukrainians could achieve breakthroughs that could put the end of the war in sight this year. What then? How should this end?
We can start by listing the ways in which it shouldn’t. The first is the one suggested last year by President Emmanuel Macron of France. “We must not humiliate Russia,” he argued, “so that the day when the fighting stops we can build an exit ramp through diplomatic means.” At the time, to “not humiliate Russia” was code for allowing Russia to preserve its ill-gotten gains while it was on the offensive.
Wrong. A crushing and unmistakable defeat is precisely what is necessary to put an end to Russia’s imperialistic ambition. It’s easy to forget now that last year’s invasion was the third time Vladimir Putin launched a war of conquest, intimidation and annexation against his neighbors, after the invasion of Georgia in 2008 and the seizure of Ukrainian soil in 2014. And that’s not counting cyberwarfare against Estonia, assassinations on British soil, the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 or the annihilation of Aleppo and Grozny.
Each act of aggression went essentially unpunished, tempting Russia into the next one. If the war in Ukraine ends with Putin having achieved at least some of his goals and suffering no irreparable consequences to his regime, the only exit ramp the West will have found is Putin’s on-ramp to his next outrage.
Similarly, if Ukrainian forces break through Russian lines in a way that prompts Putin to seek a settlement — probably through Chinese mediation — there will be those who argue that a cease-fire and armistice on the Korean model is preferable to the risks of a dramatic escalation. The Kremlin may try to encourage this line of thinking by again rattling its nuclear saber, this time even louder.
But while the nuclear threat should never be discounted, it looks empty on close inspection.
The reason Putin hasn’t used tactical nuclear weapons in this war thus far isn’t because of moral scruples that might vanish if he feels cornered. It’s because those weapons, which were designed to destroy large concentrations of armor, make little sense on a thinly spread battlefield. And because the Biden administration has threatened unspecified “catastrophic consequences” if Russia uses such weapons — perhaps involving the sinking of Russia’s Black Sea fleet or some other kinetic but nonnuclear NATO response.
The larger problem with the armistice model is that it would freeze the conflict in a way that would allow Putin to resume it once Russia has licked its wounds and regained its strength. As for Ukraine, it would have to become a garrison state even as its economy has been crippled by the war. Those who make the South Korea analogy neglect two things. First, Russia is intrinsically a more powerful state than North Korea. Second, peace on the Korean Peninsula has been preserved by a large and continuous 70-year U.S. military presence — one that relatively few Americans would have an appetite to duplicate in Ukraine.
The alternative is winning. It is what Ukrainians deserve, what the overwhelming majority want and what they demand from their political leadership. The goal has been both hindered and advanced by President Biden’s fluctuating willingness to provide Kyiv with the tools it needs to win. It has also been stymied by his own ambivalence about the outcome he really desires, other than to not let Russia win and to not blow up the world in the process.
Winning comes in two flavors. The first, and riskier, is to provide Kyiv with the weapons it needs — mainly long-range guided missiles, more tanks, Predator drones and F-16s — not only to push Russia out of the territories it seized in this war but also to retake Crimea and the breakaway “republics” in the east. This is what Ukrainians want and what they are morally and legally entitled to.
But retaking Crimea will be hard, and even success will come with costs, primarily in the form of populations that aren’t necessarily eager to be liberated by Kyiv. Hence the second flavor: to help Ukraine restore its pre-February 2022 borders but no further — with compensation in the form of membership in the European Union and a U.S.-Ukraine security treaty modeled on America’s security cooperation with Israel.
Would this increase America’s exposure to Russian aggression? No, this would diminish it, for the same reason Putin didn’t dare attack the NATO-member Baltic States but twice attacked Ukraine: Dictators prey on the weak, not the strong. Would it satisfy Ukraine’s need for security? Yes, both in guaranteed access to Europe’s markets and America’s arms.
And would it humiliate Putin? In the best way possible, by showing him and other despots, within and beyond Russia, that aggression against democracies never pays.
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It took a team of some of the best physicists in the world years to make it work.
A bunch of drunk Guys just scribbled the plans on a paper trying to get more money from hitler for funky science stuff.
The whole US nukes only worked because Lise stole the idea from Otto and Fritz and gave it to her kike nephew.


Also why are ukrainians using Nazi tactics again? who gave them the idea to use the yellow rver playbook?
 
I have seen some people on twitter and other places saying the Ukrainians are just driving through minefields without and kiny of clearance. A lot of people saying this is a massive bloodbath.
I'd be very suspicious of any claims like that. You hear about shit like that in every war and it invariably ends up not being true because soldiers aren't terribly keen on blowing themselves up.

It could well be a bloodbath, but it will be for better, less trivially avoidable reasons than that.
 
I would have assumed that by this point in the war, all "volunteers" where either mercs or "Totally not NATO troops", and the actual twittertards where either killed early in the war or just larping, but guess those NAFO retards just proved me wrong
 
Cool it with the anti-semitism angloism.

Britain has been taken over by the WEF and WEF shills. The Brits do not agree with the war, want anything to do with the war and want to be left alone to moan about the weather.

All of this shit that's kicking off in the Ukraine, and us getting dragged into it is not an idea that is popular with the people. Most Brits see their pockets getting emptied and prices rising under the excuse of "the war in Ukraine" and the sentiment is "Why the fuck are we getting involved? It's nothing to do with us".

One of the reason's why I personally despise the retards on this island supporting Ukraine is because it's an affront to the many British soldiers who spilled their blood all those years ago, many of our ancestors (Alongside Russian's may I add) fought against German Nazism to defeat and rid the world of it, and now these cunts have to tell me I have to support some dumb Slavic nazi's (who are being led by a jew which makes them hypocrites too) just because they're now fighting Russians which the neo-con's still have a hate boner for because in their minds the Cold War is still going on? Yeah, no, unlike you wankers who lack any sort of integrity, I'm not going to spit on the graves of the past men of this nation who died fighting against this ideology, go royally fuck yourself.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has aided a Ukrainian intelligence effort to censor social media users and obtain their personal information, leaked emails reveal.

The sooner the guy who made this website catches a Russian drone to the face the better, again, it's another massive symbol of hypocrisy in this war, a nation which larps as fighting for freedom, democracy and liberty is also actively making a kill-list of any dissenters who don't support the current thing like some kind of dictatorship (and that's not mentioning all the banning of opposition parties, censoring of social media, etc...).
 
Very busy day on the ever expanding Russia - Ukraine border.

Iris -T radar complex hit. Not the Iris -T itself. Just the radar but still left inoperable:

E: This is reportedly the first successful takedown, albeit temporary, of an Iris-T complex by Russia. Not a patriot but definitely a top contender for an antiair target.



Humvee taken out by drone:




Hopefully these SS are in order. A small collection of updates from the last several hours. Being posted in real time, some info is bound to be incorrect but it's what we got for now:

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Posted just as I was typing this up:

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Looks like it's going to be a busy, and messy, day. I fully expect a hard push elsewhere once Russia moves assets to the main contact line around Orekov.

Also 2 side notes in relation to the overall counter offensive:

1) I've seen multiple posts that this is, in fact, proooobing (or a distraction) as noted by @Badungus Kabungus and that the real "counter offensive" will take place beginning on the 12th. Idk why that date but I've seen more than one post about that day specifically

2) Every single one of you (and you should be ashamed) seems to have forgotten about Ukraine's ability to conduct psychological offensives. Remember, just this week, Ukraine declared they had psychologically recaptured Crimea and that it would go down in military books as a great victory. (May not be exact wording but you get the idea). So.... Just because you see no movement on contact lines and a bunch of sploded people and equipment, it is still a Ukrainian victory.
 
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Check out how scared and anxious this white house gook looks. We didn't blow up that dam.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1666463256376926209 (Ive forgotten what the quick archive link is)
Got ya here, buddy.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has aided a Ukrainian intelligence effort to censor social media users and obtain their personal information, leaked emails reveal.
It's been low key, but apparently the big thing all the defense and intelligence consultant groups and NGO's have been rubbing themselves raw over for the past decade is "Fifth Generation Warfare," where the idea that other countries will try to use media influence as a type of "warfare" and that we should counter it ourselves - and that this does in fact mean our countries are "at war" even if we aren't actually shooting at each other. For any sane person, this idea is absolutely Orwellian, but for members of the Permanent Security State it's a dream come true - they can play the hero fighting out their "wars" while having an excuse to constantly increase their budgets and make crackdowns on otherwise protected speech due to "wartime necessity." That they've spent years planning this out and are now trying to blatantly do it in the open is just one more reason why the Permanent Security State needs to be completely uprooted and dismantled.
 
Humvee taken out by drone:
What a waste of a drone. Those shitboxes where likely already broken down and abandoned.

You need a well stocked and staffed motorpool to keep them running. There is a reason why you see the Taliban mostly driving around in 'yota's and F150s in recent videos even though the USA gave 22,000 humvee's to them.
 
Are you fucking retarded? Nuclear reactors cannot produce nuclear explosions. Not even the explosion of Chernobyl Unit 4 was nuclear (it was a pair of violent steam explosions).
No, I just didn't word it properly. Nuclear explosion does sound a bit Hollywood doesn't it?

I just meant an explosion at a nuclear plant that would result in leaking of radioactivity. Kind of like fukushima but a missile and not an earthquake.

Nuclear explosions are the result of precisely designed and manufactured devices comprised of highly-enriched radioactive core material surrounded by carefully balanced and calibrated shaped explosive charges, all detonated in precisely the right order to compress the core enough to prompt nuclear fusion, releasing absurd amounts of energy in a gigantic blast.

Nuclear reactors don't use material enriched enough to be useful as a weapon. NPP's are not equipped with shaped explosive charges, and they are not weapons. The worst that can ever happen is Chernobyl -- a violent explosion resulting from immense steam pressure overwhelming the containment vessel that results in the release and spread of radioactive fuel.

You can slam a jumbo jet into the side of a containment building, plant a pile of TNT inside it and set it off, call it mean names, or let Ukrainians run it just how they ran Chernobyl, and it'll still never give you that coveted glowing mushroom cloud. It'll just burp radiation and make people sick. But it won't vaporize anybody no matter how much you try to make it.
10/10 would read again.
 
You can slam a jumbo jet into the side of a containment building, plant a pile of TNT inside it and set it off, call it mean names, or let Ukrainians run it just how they ran Chernobyl, and it'll still never give you that coveted glowing mushroom cloud. It'll just burp radiation and make people sick. But it won't vaporize anybody no matter how much you try to make it.
I think the burping radiation, especially radiation with a long half-life, is what people are worried about
 
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