Debate user "World in Scarlet" on the right way to consume information about the Russo-Ukrainian war

[World in Scarlet]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

edit: Please don't respond to this. I made a mod look bad, so they abused their power to move posts to make this thread. I never had an intention of "debating" people.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

The US Government has lied to me for 70 years. Why should I trust them? Or any of the outlets that take their former staff as news pundits? It's almost become a rule of thumb, that if the US Government or anything linked to, or funded by them says anything, the exact opposite is true.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

Imagine being this retarded

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

>be NAFO pigger fellater on KF
>watch as missiles, artillery and land mines shred khokhol counter-offensyiiv
>was promised F-16’s and Patriots would take care of all the vatniggers beforehand
>cry like a fucking bitch in disbelief
>break containment and post "nuuu ziggers y u so stoopid Khokholstan is winner!"
>wail and clutch NAFO dog body pillow ($49.99 but its for na ookraine) before crying yourself to sleep

ISHYGDDT

 

[YumeNoHero]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

>check what both sides reported on the same issue
>look for discrepancies
>recall what was previously reported in relation to current issue
>notices Ukraine side has been consistently moving goalpost and hyping a yet to be seen counter-offensive and/or next power weapon that is sure to break the vatniks this time.
It's not that hard, it's called having memory and connecting the dots.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Like, how come you look at a map and a video and an analysis from three different unaffiliated OSINT sources that all support each other, and then look at a social media post from an account that has a feed filled with lies and self contradictions, or MSM article that says something completely baseless or idiotic, and choose to believe the bullshit?
You don't even have to leave this site to find accurate information on the topic, so you'd have to wilfully look away from reality. I don't understand the motivation unless it's terminally online contrarianism or something.

If your response would be some variation of "no u", please save us both time and simply give this post a negative rating of your choice.

You know what, I'll entertain you. What specifically are you talking about? You are making a lot of broad assertions without anything specific. Who'd you have us trust (a somewhat pointless question given that this thread is full of all sorts of information from all sorts of sources)? What exactly is your issue? And, lastly, what exactly is wrong here, factually, I mean? What prompted this?

 

[World in Scarlet]

You know what, I'll entertain you. What specifically are you talking about? You are making a lot of broad assertions without anything specific. Who'd you have us trust (a somewhat pointless question given that this thread is full of all sorts of information from all sorts of sources)? What exactly is your issue? And, lastly, what exactly is wrong here, factually, I mean? What prompted this?

Specific examples would be:

• Taking anything in that WaPo article as worthwhile information even though it contains lies, omits relevant information and is based solely on "anonymous sources". I can be more specific with that in particular if you want me to.
• Another worthless source would be Tucker Carlson, whose recent piece was also filled with lies and who has lied about Ukraine before (specifically using the clearly doctored casualty figures the NYT used too IIRC). The guy is as credible as Gonzalo Lira.
• Then there's the countless Russian telegram channels that report all kinds of nonsense all the time about how they destroyed this or that, defeated another massive attack ("too busy to get evidence kokoko"), killed this or that prominent enemy. Then it turns out it was all bullshit and nothing actually happened at all, or the Russians actually lost and had to retreat, or the enemy they supposedly killed posts a video calling them faggots.
• I don't know how to address people who believe the Russian Ministry of Defense or other official Russian government sources (including Russian MSM), as those institutions are so overtly, easily disprovably bullshitting in just about every single statement they make, even about the most inconsequential things (claiming there is no zoo in a flooded city after Ukrainian media reported all the zoo animals drowned when you can go on google maps and instantly find the zoo with years old reviews and pictures of the animals) that I think one has to be deliberately disingenuous to use them as a source at all.

I don't mean to say to blindly trust Ukrainian government or MSM either; I think the proper way is to look at the evidence provided by all sides and be okay with saying "I do not know" or "it looks like this, but I am uncertain". It's perfectly fine to wait and see what happens and not instantly believe random telegram posts or news articles, especially if all we have is words and a couple second clip of some random thing getting blown up without context. Both sides in this conflict use various forms of information warfare. They use different tactics and strategies based on their different cultural and political contexts. But hardly anyone here seems to be aware of that, they think "Ukraine is shit" = truth, "Russia is shit" = propaganda and that's how far their analysis goes.

I do believe there is an element of "only reading one side of the story" here, as there is a threat of repeating verbatim what Russian sources say while being apparently ignorant of what other sources say about relevant topics (nature of the 2014 events, reasons why EU and NATO support Ukraine, reasons why Russia had an interest in destroying Nordstream and the dam). Not actually having a reasoned disagreement, but straight up not knowing the facts and arguments of the other side. I do not understand why one would be both invested in following a topic and at the same time opposed to actually learning about the topic. This is a thing that has baffled me for a long time and in many contexts.
What prompted my question was seeing you post that terrible WaPo article in the happenings feed (a kiwifarms mod of all people amplifying a WaPo article of all things) and I figured I might try to get some kind of answer in this place after having failed to get one on imageboards. My desire to understand people is what brought me to kiwifarms to begin with.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

My desire to understand people is what brought me to kiwifarms to begin with.

I'm going to press a huge X for doubt since you refer to anyone disagreeing with your view on this conflict as "ziggers" and "subhumans". I'm not putting myself on a pedestal but I also don't wade into the pro-Ukraine thread to make passive-aggressive posts; these threads were split up for a good reason.

I think your post has more to do with your intense dislike of WaPo than this specific event. In the other thread you posted this:

Does anyone here know why the WaPo has a hard on against Ukraine and published that hit piece filled with lies recently?

Not saying it may not have merit but simply citing a WaPo article isn't necessarily a wholesale endorsement of WaPo itself.

Your posts (and tbf mine) don't belong here, they belong in Mass Debates, but that's up to the mods.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

• Taking anything in that WaPo article as worthwhile information even though it contains lies, omits relevant information and is based solely on "anonymous sources". I can be more specific with that in particular if you want me to.
• Another worthless source would be Tucker Carlson, whose recent piece was also filled with lies and who has lied about Ukraine before (specifically using the clearly doctored casualty figures the NYT used too IIRC). The guy is as credible as Gonzalo Lira.
• Then there's the countless Russian telegram channels that report all kinds of nonsense all the time about how they destroyed this or that, defeated another massive attack ("too busy to get evidence kokoko"), killed this or that prominent enemy. Then it turns out it was all bullshit and nothing actually happened at all, or the Russians actually lost and had to retreat, or the enemy they supposedly killed posts a video calling them faggots.
• I don't know how to address people who believe the Russian Ministry of Defense or other official Russian government sources (including Russian MSM), as those institutions are so overtly, easily disprovably bullshitting in just about every single statement they make, even about the most inconsequential things (claiming there is no zoo in a flooded city after Ukrainian media reported all the zoo animals drowned when you can go on google maps and instantly find the zoo with years old reviews and pictures of the animals) that I think one has to be deliberately disingenuous to use them as a source at all.

Everything here seems to be more or less "everything contrary to 'Ukraine is winning' is wrong". What sources do you use?

I don't mean to say to blindly trust Ukrainian government or MSM either; I think the proper way is to look at the evidence provided by all sides and be okay with saying "I do not know" or "it looks like this, but I am uncertain". It's perfectly fine to wait and see what happens and not instantly believe random telegram posts or news articles, especially if all we have is words and a couple second clip of some random thing getting blown up without context.

All of these things form the bigger picture though. A lot of small things add up to bigger things, help people form their opinions.

They use different tactics and strategies based on their different cultural and political contexts. But hardly anyone here seems to be aware of that, they think "Ukraine is shit" = truth, "Russia is shit" = propaganda and that's how far their analysis goes.

Please watch some of the videos I had linked previously, especially from Defense Politics Asia. You can't watch his videos and come to that conclusion, he uses a lot of Ukrainian and Russian sources to evaluate the battlefield and gives proper respect to both sides (and plenty of disrespect to both too). Personally I think History Legends is good about that too.

I do believe there is an element of "only reading one side of the story" here, as there is a threat of repeating verbatim what Russian sources say while being apparently ignorant of what other sources say about relevant topics (nature of the 2014 events, reasons why EU and NATO support Ukraine, reasons why Russia had an interest in destroying Nordstream and the dam).

Mate, with all due respect, have you actually read this thread? There's plenty of western sources posted here, most of which is critical of Russia (very few Western sites have anything good to say about Rus).

You seem to accuse us of relying too much on Washington Post when relevant, and when not relying too much on "Russian sources".

That's ignoring the fact that it's nearly impossible to not know what the other side is saying because that's all what's on the news/tv.

What prompted my question was seeing you post that terrible WaPo article in the happenings feed (a kiwifarms mod of all people amplifying a WaPo article of all things)

Not all my actions are official. I found a story I was interested in and thought many others would be too (on an event that was particularly significant) and shared it. Whether or not you believe what WashingtonPost says (which, yes there is reason to doubt as some people expressed in the A&N thread I made) the story carries a significant accusation. I made both the thread and the post as a user of the forum, not as a moderator.

Your posts (and tbf mine) don't belong here, they belong in Mass Debates, but that's up to the mods.

If the discussion fruitfully continues I might just move it, yeah

 

[World in Scarlet]

I'm going to press a huge X for doubt since you refer to anyone disagreeing with your view on this conflict as "ziggers" and "subhumans".

I'm referring to people who display certain behaviours with those terms, not people who simply disagree with me. Dishonesty, celebrating civilian suffering, stuff like that. I've never met someone pro-Russian who wasn't a bad person and/or mentally impaired, but I don't preclude the possibility that they exist, hence I asked and didn't just drop insults in here. Note that I posted all that other stuff in the appropriate thread, and I only brought up specifics here when asked by a mod.

Everything here seems to be more or less "everything contrary to 'Ukraine is winning' is wrong". What sources do you use?

I call people liars when I can demonstrate that they lie, not because I don't like what they say or don't want it to be true. Coming to a conclusion after doing research doesn't mean one "picked a side" and I take issue not with the conclusion people come to, but with biases, failures when assessing sources, and a general lack of fact checking. For many things in this conflict the truth is unknown and opinions can vary based on source assessment and what information one has, so you can have a friendly conversation with someone you disagree with, but you can't do that with someone who is dishonest or wilfully ignorant.
My sources are Perun (youtube), rybar, Girkin, ISW, TASS, various non-Russian MSM (mostly to read copy pasted government proclamations or find primary sources, I have a very low opinion of journalists in general), lurking discussions and talking to Russians and Ukrainians (including military personnel of the latter), as well as random things I come across. Military stuff is not something I'm particularly interested in, so I have no opinion on what's currently going on aside from the obvious. Some people are really into that military detail though and that's fine too.

Not all my actions are official. I found a story I was interested in and thought many others would be too (on an event that was particularly significant) and shared it.

I meant that I found it notable that you posted an article by a publication that says you are staff on a forum whose users work to drive women and minorities to suicide in such a prominent place, even though everyone with cursory knowledge of the conflict would see that this article is as neutral and well researched as the one about kiwifarms was.

That's ignoring the fact that it's nearly impossible to not know what the other side is saying because that's all what's on the news/tv.

Both NYT and WaPo posted garbage that mispresents the situation and argumentations. I can't even call half the bullshit Z people post "straw man" because I do believe MSM is so shit that nothing is too stupid or wrong to be published.
However, Z people do not show that they know these things. Every time I go to a Z space I see people say "Russia has no reason to do this", "NATO attacks poor innocent Russia", but if you look at official statements by western leaders and at objective facts then you see that actually Russia does have motives and opportunity, and NATO leaders do have sound reasoning for their actions that are not aggressive at all. That doesn't mean it's true, but I do think it demands a substantial argumentation to rebut, and that is simply not happening. Instead it's denial, lies and insults. I know why Russian officials act like that, but what's with the random posters on forums? Are you saying they are dishonest, or that they are merely coincidentally so systematically uninformed? Do they just not care and want their team to win or their reality to materialize? Or something else entirely? That's my question.

If the discussion fruitfully continues I might just move it, yeah

Sorry I didn't mean to start a big discussion. The general thread is dead and gay and they talk about weird things in there so I figured I'd quickly shoot the question here. I've no intention of persuading people to support Ukraine.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I call people liars when I can demonstrate that they lie, not because I don't like what they say or don't want it to be true. Coming to a conclusion after doing research doesn't mean one "picked a side" and I take issue not with the conclusion people come to, but with biases, failures when assessing sources, and a general lack of fact checking. For many things in this conflict the truth is unknown and opinions can vary based on source assessment and what information one has, so you can have a friendly conversation with someone you disagree with, but you can't do that with someone who is dishonest or wilfully ignorant.
My sources are Perun (youtube), rybar, Girkin, ISW, TASS, various non-Russian MSM (mostly to read copy pasted government proclamations or find primary sources, I have a very low opinion of journalists in general), lurking discussions and talking to Russians and Ukrainians (including military personnel of the latter), as well as random things I come across. Military stuff is not something I'm particularly interested in, so I have no opinion on what's currently going on aside from the obvious. Some people are really into that military detail though and that's fine too.

I sincerely don't get your issue then. We use various sources including pro-Ukr, pro-Russia, and various in between, and based on all that information we come to some sort of an opinion. I'm sorry if I'm getting your thoughts wrong, but to me you seem to be upset that we came to the wrong (in your eyes) opinion, specifically about the dam and nord stream.

Many of the sources you listed have as much biases and history of being wrong as the sources you are complaining about. ISW, for example, is a laughingstock in this thread because their predictions are almost never correct.

I say this not to accuse you of being a hypocrite, but out of genuine lack of understanding of your issue with us (presumingly of the 'pro-rus' thread. If you have also issues with the other, I apologize about the presumption).

Sorry I didn't mean to start a big discussion

I don't mind.

That doesn't mean it's true, but I do think it demands a substantial argumentation to rebut, and that is simply not happening.

This is a bit of an unpopular opinion, but we did have the discussion when the threads were whole.

However, Z people do not show that they know these things. Every time I go to a Z space I see people say "Russia has no reason to do this", "NATO attacks poor innocent Russia", but if you look at official statements by western leaders and at objective facts then you see that actually Russia does have motives and opportunity, and NATO leaders do have sound reasoning for their actions that are not aggressive at all. That doesn't mean it's true, but I do think it demands a substantial argumentation to rebut, and that is simply not happening.

Your argument relies on the innate assumption that NATO is right, despite your words. You concede that NATO points may not be right, but critique users who hold the very same viewpoint.

Instead it's denial, lies and insults. I know why Russian officials act like that, but what's with the random posters on forums? Are you saying they are dishonest, or that they are merely coincidentally so systematically uninformed? Do they just not care and want their team to win or their reality to materialize? Or something else entirely? That's my question.

Again, this is a weird take. Your presumption relies on the innate belief that I must agree that NATO-spokesmen words have merit. I do not. Neither must I agree that for the other side.

To put it in another way, what do you think of people who still think the Nord Stream was blown up by Russians despite US having said they wanted to do it, having had the opportunity to do it, and having benefit from such an action? These people certainly don't see the merit in my argument (from what I've observed from IRL talks), regardless of whether or not US blew it up (though I think blaming it on Russia is silly considering during that period NATO did training drills in that area (air, rocket, sea), and so Russia would have had hard time getting there unspotted)

 

[Haramburger]

"Ukraine is shit" = truth, "Russia is shit" = propaganda and that's how far their analysis goes.

That is the point of this thread, yes. If you want to root for Ukraine, there's a different thread for that. If you want to be some sort of enlightened centrist, fuck you you're a bigger retard than the people who pick a side and just troll each other. Kill yourself.

Once @Useful_Mistake is tired of your unwillingness to embrace Russian greatness, you will be threadbanned SO HARD to preserve peace & rightful cultural borders, and will only be able to suck cock in Ukraine thread. Do not post walls of text and trigger more reports, хохол

 

[IKOL]

Can anyone here explain to me why you take sources that have consistently lied to you for 16 months now still at their word and ignore all evidence and reasoned arguments in favor of living in a make belief reality created and existent only on social media?

Wrong thread, oinker, the hoholina banderites simps thread is two blocks down.

А теперь пошел нахуй отсюда, петушок засланный, мы не чаем тебе подобных гендерно неопределенных соевых полупокеров, гэть с очей наших томных, тоской бренности этого грешного мира полных.

I meant that I found it notable that you posted an article by a publication that says you are staff on a forum whose users work to drive women and minorities to suicide in such a prominent place,

I'm referring to people who display certain behaviours with those terms, not people who simply disagree with me. Dishonesty, celebrating civilian suffering, stuff like that. I've never met someone pro-Ukrainian who wasn't a bad person and/or mentally impaired,

FTFY you'll thank me later.

Finally I get to post this kinda cringy meme.
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Weird how German's keep naming their tanks after big cats given their long history of fail.

I see no issue with that, personally? I mean, CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATS are peak example of animal autism.

Quote: “Anything that our enemy hates … I will support,” Kozhemiakin said. “If it will never exist in Russia, it should exist and be supported here, to show them and signal to them that we are different. This law is like a smile towards Europe and a middle finger to Russia. So I support it.”

Ah, so that's where hohol camp pedo fetish comes from... fascinating.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1666830453788102659

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Dumb cunt be dumb cunts, what a shock! Next in the news at 11, the water... IS WET!!!

But hardly anyone here seems to be aware of that, they think "Ukraine is shit" = truth, "Russia is shit" = propaganda and that's how far their analysis goes.

I mean, duh, fuck did you expect? There are two (actually 4) active threads about this ongoing shitfest, one for each faction because we can't have any form of civil discussion with piglet advocates, we've got partition of the general thread because neither side had any kind of consensus and respect toward each other and saloreich camp kept being illiterate retards who, instead of posting something of value, kept shitting up the general thread, with glimpses of child porn as well (were few cases), while our side (pro-Russian) tried to maintain a proper coversation and information flow, hoholfags kept shitting up the thread. Funny thing is that in prevention of further conflicts mods have decided to separate sides by... having separate threads, frankly. So yeah, not the first time this happens, but here's a thing.

Main general thread kept being in happenings for every user and lurker to see, and this thread was designated for discussion but being in somewhat "posession" of pro-Rus. While pro-Bandera illiterate individuals had their soapbox in A&N section, visible for registered users only.
Funny thing is, these faggots kept breaking the rules of engagement, along with constantly raiding happenings thread and shitting it up, preventing proper discussion from happening. On the other side, we shall pay credit where credit's due, because if not hohol shills, we wouldn't have knew that @AgendaPoster @Astro Galactic Megalul @Elbereth @Vince McMahon, @UVB-76 are illiterate niggercattle faggots and @RandomTwitterGuy is unironical pedophile. Vince is special case, he's hohol of Russian descent that was living in Donetsk, he fled the country just in time before this whole thing with war\SMO have started, basically a deserter.

Thing is, we can agree on some things with the opposite side if the information is legit and do have actual value, but in most (all) cases it's not, mainly because these retards are akin to nafo troons are repeating the same deranged shit us govt and hohol puppet regime are spurring. Like "Russians have blew Nordstream pipeline themselves, blew Crimean bridge themselves, killed Dugin's daughter themselves, blew up Kahlovka's dam themselves" and all tthe other kind of bullshit. Massacre in Bucha is one of these lies too. It sure have happened, but it weren't our guys who did this war crime. zelensky was in need of something to convince his handlers to give him some more gibs, and here you have it. mindless killing of civvies jhust for a gay ops and blood money. Same with Belgorod region incursions by a hohol few sabotage group, which consisst of mercs and traitors\defectors.

If you'll try to point up the hohol bullshit in their thread you'll get what you complain toward us. Actual ignorance and arrogance, because for them Ukraine is the sacred cow and Russia are le ebil nahtzees despite a lot of hpoto evidences of hohol "soldiers" wearing nazi symbolics, doing unironic "sieg hail!" salutes and other shit.

Their thread is the upside-down reality. Our might be too, but to be frank, we can handle doubt in our position from other people. Hohol camp? no.

 

[AgendaPoster]

hohol shills, we wouldn't have knew that @AgendaPoster @Astro Galactic Megalul @Elbereth @Vince McMahon, @UVB-76 are illiterate niggercattle faggots and @RandomTwitterGuy is unironical pedophile. Vince is special case, he's hohol of Russian descent that was living in Donetsk, he fled the country just in time before this whole thing with war\SMO have started, basically a deserter.

Incredibly late my vatnegro, most of those nerds are long gone, but I'm glad to see that the jannies opened up the gorillionth Debate thread on the war, sorry I meant SMO!, so you can rant freely and tag/bait as many as you could remember from some forum back and forth like HALF A FUCKING YEAR AGO if not more.
Common jannies, how many containment debate threads do we need? Just merge this refuse in the big "Containment for faggots" topic.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Common jannies, how many containment debate threads do we need?

tbh, I just wanna see if this discussion with the OP is going anywhere. You can't really shit up the quality of Mass Debates anyway

 

[Susanna]

For a period I tried to keep up with both the Z and the hohol threads, but found the hohol one insufferable to read through. There was hardly any discussion about pro-hohol news (presumably because everyone knew it was all just delusional propaganda cope) but instead just constant whining about people in the Z thread who probably didn't even register the existence of the whiner.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

people in the Z thread who probably didn't even register the existence of the whiner.

Both groups feed of the attention of the other, the only question is the amount. @Secret Asshole announcement wasn't without reason.

 

[IKOL]

*seething*

Shut up gypsy.

 

[World in Scarlet]

tbh, I just wanna see if this discussion with the OP is going anywhere. You can't really shit up the quality of Mass Debates anyway

I specifically said I don't want to start a big discussion, so you remove my posts from your hug box thread and make it the OP of a "debate this user" thread.

Once @Useful_Mistake is tired of your unwillingness to embrace Russian greatness, you will be threadbanned SO HARD to preserve peace & rightful cultural borders, and will only be able to suck cock in Ukraine thread. Do not post walls of text and trigger more reports, хохол

Yeah, honestly. I made an attempt to communicate with Z people in a respectful manner and it turned out the same way as it always does.

 

[AgendaPoster]

If you want to be some sort of enlightened centrist, fuck you you're a bigger retard than the people who pick a side and just troll each other. Kill yourself.

You will never convince me that a war with likely hundreds of thousands of victims and demolished European cities is to be treated like trannies marching through some god-forgotten Bongland wasteland. You should have some respect.
As for trying to get to "what actually happened here" through mountains of propaganda and fake shit from both sides, if that's "centrism" so fucking be it.
And no I will be not committing ack cause I am enjoying life far, far too much.