"Previously reluctant to accept refugees, the country took in millions of Ukrainian women and children, opening its arms in an impressive display of solidarity."
The fucking lügenpress pushes the unrelated propaganda at every opportunity. Refugees lmao.
No, they went absolutely full retard. Their interest would have been to stay out of this shitflinging. Provide humanitarian aid, and keep the warmongering to a minimum. But the government has a need of votes, and since the population is what it is (old people have a guttural hate of Russia, young people are susceptible to western brainwashing), they went with this.
As a lot of us in Hungary said, it's ok Polish bros, we understand your (anti-)red rage, and we'll welcome you back when you get to your senses.
Does anyone even take them seriously at this point lol. They been doing "R-Russia is running out missiles now, I swear! Two more weeks to deplete their stocks!" for the past year.
While it might be slightly off topic, in my limited discussions with people off this site about Ukraine, the people who champion Ukraine never prove anything, they just state and state and reaffirm themselves to try and drown out dissenting voices. There was a time where i would write one message and it would spawn 20+ replies forming my entire argument for me so they could shut it down. it was fucking wild.
Very common, IRL and on here, I think some people do it deliberately and others out of ignorance because they can't form a coherent thought of their own. We just saw this yesterday with the containment breacher. @Useful_Mistake tried to actually have a discussion and in response got multiple paragraphs of incomprehensible drivel, 90% of which were arguments and "facts" the retard literally made up in his head or just parroted obvious Ukr propaganda. By the time you respond to one point they shit out another 20 and drown you in nonsense. Wrestle with Ukrainians pigs and you get covered in shit.
Best not to even engage those kind of people in conversation.
Fundamentally, the conflict for Ukraine is over, at least in the West. The West lost. It doesn't matter what happens from here on out, if NATO rides in on Unicorns with Valkyries behind them playing trumpets or whatever the fuck. Western Hegemony has been dealt a massive blow and Ukraine will be on life support until it is safely out of the news when a pillow will be put over its face and snuffed out.
That's really the problem with everything right now. The winner of this war largely doesn't matter, (they never do in proxy wars). We have to look at the reason and goal of the war itself. The goal of the West was thus: To balkanize and destabilize Russia. This has not happened. In fact, it seems that the West has gotten pulled deeper into a conflict that it does not want to in a time of extreme economic vulnerability. Its obvious that the West will not achieve these objectives without a massive world war, at a time when patriotism, our fighting force and our ammunition stocks are at an all time low.
People are looking at Russia vs. Ukraine, or Russia vs. NATO. Yes, there's still dying to be done. But the fact is this: We weaponized the entire world economy to crush Russia. And it failed. There is no recovery from this. Ukraine could go back to its old borders. It doesn't matter. All the dick waving, arguments in the world doesn't roll back the fact that China and others used this opportunity to begin the process of decoupling themselves from the US economy. Economies are like cargo ships. They're very slow to turn, but when they do, they are not easily stopped or averted. We're in the wake of that right now. If you look back to the beginning, it was plainly clear what the West/NATO's objective was. And it was NOT Ukrainian freedom. It was breaking apart Russia, and using the economy as a weapon to do so.
Geopolitically, this is a landmark event in that over a half-century of bad foreign policy, the end of the American Empire and the force to end the dollar as a reserve currency coming home to roost. This is yet another failure in a massive string of foreign and economic failures for the West. And it is embarrassingly public.
No amount of hand-waving can erase the charred husks of Leopord II's in a desperate clump. Its a stark reality that what the West is doing is throwing bodies, demanding that territory be retaken when Ukraine clearly cannot do it and is just sending people to die in a haphazard fashion. There's no air cover to soften positons, there's no massive artillery or mortar barrages. They run in circles, clump up and get destroyed in 'probing' attacks or attempts to 'soften' the lines for the 'real' offensive, whenever the fuck that is.
And that's the true horror of this. The West lost in terms of its objectives, it knows this and still demands blood from its proxy. To be a friend to the United States is quite fatal indeed.
The past two days there has been mental breakdown among the wests most prominent figures/ intellectuals etc including the litch king and zog himself George soros , peter zeihan calling everyone who disagrees with his analysis about russia is totally done now bots etc
Soros Predicts Ukrainian Victory In Counterattack, Says Russia Is A "Paper Tiger"
I am just sitting here and waiting for russia to bulldoze Ukraine and watch the whole cadre of experts, grifters and investors have full mental breakdown
These people have a vested interest in Ukraine's sucess, IE: Pillaging the remains of its corpse once its dead from war. Soros is a notorious vulture capatalist, the oldest one around. The only way he can maintain an erection is if he crashes a country's economy. He wants the war done so he can rape the corpse of Ukraine.
A lot of these weapons don't exist, IE: They haven't been made yet. We're just basically placing orders. More than likely these will either be divereted to bases in Europe to be held or produced and diverted to our own stocks. Its a bit late in the game for new shit.
Reuters, 2 small news on the side bar. AP, no mention of the ukraine at all (if you scroll down there's a single news about it between the news about the Boston pride parade and one about a lutheran "church" using an AI-generated sermon).
If you stop reporting on it and there are no NPCs around to read about it, have you actually lost a proxy war? (the answer is yes)
We weaponized the entire world economy to crush Russia. And it failed. There is no recovery from this. Ukraine could go back to its old borders. It doesn't matter.
There is pretty much 0 chance of Ukraine getting back all of its territory before this war, without even considering Crimea. At best they wont lose any more. I do wonder what will happen when the west inevitably stops throwing money at Ukraine. I think that they will see it as a betrayal and we will see Ukrainian terrorism in Europe. There is no crime worse than betrayal.
I don't get why Redditors should be upset about Ukrainian offensive. UAF and RAF are subverting their expectations.
I heard Reddit loves that sort of thing.
All that mobile AA given by NATO is being used as point defense around Kiev and other locations. Any SPAAG from the Soviet era (assuming you could still drive it) would get eliminated immediately. A Shilka would be drone food in an instant
One other thing occurred to me: Russia is apparently wreaking havoc on the Ukrainians offensive columns with air strikes. Yet we donated a large number of mobile anti-air platforms to Ukraine, including the Avenger, Gepard, and Croatale, plus the Ukrainians own inventory of Soviet-era self-propelled anti-air systems. And yet none of these appear to be accompanying these offensive groups. This is not only contrary to common sense (given the Russian air advantage) but also the same Soviet-era doctrines that the idiots are blaming for the counter-offensive's stalling out.
Short-range AA isn't gonna cut it. Ka-52's ATGMs range is superior to any AA gun, MANPAD and like half of short-range SAMs. Plus small drones that are mostly immune to SPAAG and SAM. Then, add the fact that NATO SPAA is supplementary to fighter jets and isn't that good on its own (relying on planes to be the main AA component is actually a very smart choice, but it requires, you know, having planes).
Soviet-era SAMs in Ukraine are: a) too old and only good at hitting random commieblocks (good for agitprop, bad for actually shooting down targets); b) already spent; c) protecting more valuable assets.
The only manufacturer of Buk and S-300 missiles is Russia, so no resupply.
Smart people were warning about AFU AA degradation since January and how the lack of mid-range AA will affect any mechanized offensive. If Ukraine really has 120k and enough armor in reserve (or if Russia makes serious blunders), they may achieve breakthrough, but it won't be a cake walk.
I still don't understand why did Ukrainians decide to attack the most well-protected axis. I expected major offensive somewhere in Donbass, where LDPR forces are exhausted by 10 months of отсос-атаки on Avdeevka etc.
Holy shit this is even more damning, as it's suggesting that those piled up and wrecked Bradleys and Leopards weren't even taken out by artillery or ATGMs, but fucking cheap-ass suicide drones.
Unless there's some kind of problem on the Russian side we're not aware of, most likely there's going to be a major offensive between now and September if I had to guess. Normally a failed offensive is a major opening for the other side.
Unless there's some kind of problem on the Russian side we're not aware of, most likely there's going to be a major offensive between now and September if I had to guess. Normally a failed offensive is a major opening for the other side.
I'll have you know that the Ukrainian side never, ever has failed at an offensive and it's only the Russian Orcs that have failed time and time again. I know this because of Wikipedia's policy on good sources. If Ukraine fails, it's intentional as it makes them look bad and is meant to make the west feel as if they have to spend more and it makes Russia feel cocky so when Russia attacks and Ukraine bros totally repulse it with western weapons they make them look good so they get sent more whilst Z-man gets higher and higher (success is directly proportional to the more drugs he takes). This strategy is actually called a "Special Proooobing Operatioon" - Special because the Ukraine higher ups all are a bit special and is why Ukraine is going to win the war, even if they lose land. They win in our heats
I think we all know what prompted it. Between the fall of Bakhmut, the complete decapitation of Ukraine's command structure, and the counteroffensive that never was, the NAFO shills are having a hard time reconciling their childish fantasies with cold hard reality. That results in severe buttpain and IMAX-tier projection.
Hell, if you check the other thread, it's full of people speculating about Ukraine making massive progress in their counteroffensive solely based on the lack of reports from the front in western press. It's literal make believe shit that happens only on their heads, then they get angry when reality doesn't correspond to it.
Remember, these people seriously believed that Russia was out of missiles back in March 2022 because LazerNig on Youtube told them so.
Yeah, Ukraine has put on an absolute shit show counteroffensive and they've embarrassed themselves. They don't have the means to clear large gaps in minefields so they go one by one and two by two..... And are then picked apart by Russian artillery, ATGMs, helicopters, and airstrikes. Also LMAO at "derp Russian is OUT of cruise missiles and loitering munitions by the end of 2022" from NAFO retards and the homosexual pig. Turns out the Russians don't behave like the retarded villina sin 90% of marvel movies that reddit thinks are real life.
Holy shit Oryx has gone full on cope mode. Makes sense as he's now addicted to Turkish pussy (his girlfriend is a Turk living in Turkey lol) and anything that makes NATO arms and ESPECIALLY Turkish arms look bad is not going to fly on his lists anymore. Remember that Turkey operates hundreds of leopard 2s..... Can't make Erdogan's cousin unhappy now can we....
This is cope so hard it's basically going a full 360 and thinking it's a good thing again, and considering the three arrows PFP, I'm not the least surprised (and do I need to mention the Ukrainian naazee's again?).
And seeing how retarded Ukraine is using these fancy Leopards, and knowing our Challengers are in that god-forsaken country being most likely driven by retards, I'm gonna accept that the Dorchester armour is soon gonna be in a Russian lab, and if that's confirmed, heads at the MoD HAVE to roll.
If it makes you feel any better the Challenger 2 was outdated over a decade ago and it's LONG overdue successor, Challenger 3, is a gigantic improvement. Shame the UK can only afford 150 of them. I'll say that the Kubinka Tank Museum is going to be a MUST visit after the war, featuring battle captured Leos, Bradleys, T-64BVMs, and other neat stuff.
Good god, sending exposed and unsupported units directly across open terrain without cover when you know the enemy is waiting for you - what kind of reckless idiocy is this? I don't know if this is a bigger indictment of the Ukrainians or their Western trainers, because even the U.S. Army in the fucking 1970's knew that you should never fucking do this. (Timestamped YouTube link)
All the wonder weapons in the world won't matter a damn if you don't know how to properly employ them.
While people whose jobs are to actually know these things will freak out, as the composite armor is still supposed to be a vital secret for both the UK and US. It's why the US only sent heavily downgraded Abrams tanks to Ukraine (or will send them...maybe. Hell at this rate they may never get there,)
The Abrams Ukraine is getting are 1991 vintage or so. Since then American Abrams have had at least three armor package upgrades, four if you count the brand new SepV4 tanks.
I don't think the US has voluntarily withdrawn from Ukraine, I think the more reasonable take is that the HIMARS system was hit a LOT harder than Ukrainians let on leading to Ukraine losing it's hyper advanced radar. Combine that with the big attack on military personal and you've got a Ukrainian army with no radar and retarded leadership basically being pushed forward in suicide attacks as sitting and waiting is just going to see Russia gain more ground.
Ehhhh if Russia killed a himars on video we'd have seen it by now. However I think the HIMARS is massively overrated, especially as the Russians have been using rocket artillery en mass for decades.
The longer this goes on, the more I reconsider my evaluation of Zeihan. I think his stuff is excellent for introducing normies to the concept of lead times and energy sources, things normies understand but are somehow not able to put together.
But then he gets into politics and IIRC, he referred to Biden as "Trump but competent." How's the past three years Peter? Enjoying the competence? I think he also shilled the clotshots and joined the bandwagon on Russia running out of ammo.
According to this old US Army Training video, the Soviet doctrine (as far as we understood it) focused on "speed, maneuverability, and continuous operations." (YouTube link)
But I don't think their massed attacks ever called for clown car-style bunching up. More importantly, those attacks would've been accompanied with air and artillery support - something that seems to be extremely lacking on the Ukrainian side in these videos, but which the Russians are exploiting to the fullest. It's tearing up the Ukrainians so badly that they don't even get a chance to experience "The Meeting Engagement."
One other thing occurred to me: Russia is apparently wreaking havoc on the Ukrainians offensive columns with air strikes. Yet we donated a large number of mobile anti-air platforms to Ukraine, including the Avenger, Gepard, and Croatale, plus the Ukrainians own inventory of Soviet-era self-propelled anti-air systems. And yet none of these appear to be accompanying these offensive groups. This is not only contrary to common sense (given the Russian air advantage) but also the same Soviet-era doctrines that the idiots are blaming for the counter-offensive's stalling out.
Most of the long range AA systems are kept near Kiev and other critical locations far from the Frontline to shoot down cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. That leaves older and shorter ranged stuff to deal with everything else.
Short-range AA isn't gonna cut it. Ka-52's ATGMs range is superior to any AA gun, MANPAD and like half of short-range SAMs. Plus small drones that are mostly immune to SPAAG and SAM. Then, add the fact that NATO SPAA is supplementary to fighter jets and isn't that good on its own (relying on planes to be the main AA component is actually a very smart choice, but it requires, you know, having planes).
Soviet-era SAMs in Ukraine are: a) too old and only good at hitting random commieblocks (good for agitprop, bad for actually shooting down targets); b) already spent; c) protecting more valuable assets.
The only manufacturer of Buk and S-300 missiles is Russia, so no resupply.
Smart people were warning about AFU AA degradation since January and how the lack of mid-range AA will affect any mechanized offensive. If Ukraine really has 120k and enough armor in reserve (or if Russia makes serious blunders), they may achieve breakthrough, but it won't be a cake walk.
I still don't understand why did Ukrainians decide to attack the most well-protected axis. I expected major offensive somewhere in Donbass, where LDPR forces are exhausted by 10 months of отсос-атаки on Avdeevka etc.
Correct. NATO never really had SPAA in any large numbers and when they did it was usually gun based so it was severely range limited.
Ka-52/Mi-28 have ATGMs with 4km+ ranges and the LMUR heavy guided missiles is something like 14+km (although it's launched from the big chubby Mi-
This means most MANPADS are unable to hit the launch platforms so the helis can hang back and plink until they need to rearm.
Oh, and NATO SAM production is HILARIOUSLY slow for anything not called Patriot or NASM so once they empty their IRST/Crotale/Aspide batteries they're kinda fucked.
NATO never really had good short range (and even long range) AA/SAMs because their SAM umbrella was/still is the USAF. I think the West is finding out that the idea of SEAD isnt going to work like planned and they need organic AA in their units.
It didn't help that the Allies didn't experience any real tactical airstrikes/interdiction from the Luftwaffe.... unlike the Red Army.
