Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Uranus Pink]

Still the Germans fucked up as their industries was along the line of hand crafted "artisanal" until it was way too late later in the war. Instead of having the industries set up for mass production like the Americans, English and later Soviets once everything been setup east of Urals.

As to WTF lead to the Leopard II and Bradleys getting capped
Quoting from one of the Spacebattles threads on this.

https://twitter.com/IgorZ_ua/status/1667625070456459264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1667625070456459264%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

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Details are emerging on how exactly RU managed to so perfectly position themselves and coordinate so many unique forces to nail at least two heavy units (the Leo+Bradley debackle)
Some idiot couldn't STFU
Edit:
She's been identified as Maryana Bezuhla, a parliament member. Go figure She tried to pass a law that would allow commanders to shoot soldiers if they refuse to follow orders, so I'm sure she's ready to face the full extend of the law for an OPSEC breach.

 

[East_Clintwood]

So this clip is floating round on social media, and people are arguing whether or not she meant they literally need 3m chinks to come bail them out, or whether the "we lack a PLA", means she thinks they need to mass mobilise mobiks to make their own equivalent. Personally I don't think it matters, whether or not you need 3m chinks, or 3m more mobiks, either way that clearly indicates you think you're in the shit. After all if you're winning the war SMO, and every Ukrainian has been killed, and you're luring 6 gorillion polish NATO mercs into deathtraps everyday, why would you need so many more soldiers?

A Russian SAM Tor gets directly hit, taking nearly all of its crew with it,

Bad day to be a Russian AD operator, another system decided to return to sender itself:

 

[Ghostse]

The AFU has reached Urozhaine, southern Donetsk oblast, earlier this evening, according to Russian sources:

If that's what Russia is saying, that must mean they're actually shelling Moscow.

Western militaries have always organised themselves around having large maintenance units operating close to the battlefield. I've always thought it wouldn't work against a near peer adversary. 1st line maintenance units, will usually be equipped to the same level at the unit they're supporting, so an Armored units workshop unit will be armored as well, but 2nd level maintenance units are just a mess of soft skin trucks and box bodies.

I think part of the issue is that its never been "tested" in a static battlefield.

The last wide-scale peer armor on armor was goat fucking ISIS teabagging Iraq. Desert Storm and that was over and done with before any maintenance units would have been able to turn anything that wasn't a scratch & dent, and Iraq never even had a hope of recovery operations.

Even in WWII, the allies were nearly constantly advancing.

You see a lot of historians particularly economists claiming that Germany fucked up by not producing enough spare parts where as in reality they just had a very clear picture of how they wanted industry and the front line to tie together.

Albert Speer said the same thing that not enough parts were being manufactured, and he was in charge of the war economy. So I'll put a bit more stock in his take.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

As far as pump-up combat comps go, this one is pretty solid; even has a shout-out to Perun.

WW2 skulls washed up by the flood, looks like somewhere near Odessa.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

Them blowing up another dam is actually hilarious. Literally days after them denying doing the same at the big dam, they exhibit that it's standard operating procedure.

Though I guess it's a small enough dam that it won't be covered as much in the russian sphere, so koolaid drinkers might not have their shocked pikachu faces.

 

[Ghostse]

Thing I'm wondering about is the rail bridge in Melitopol getting BTFO.
The bridge is west of the city so wouldn't stop the Russians from reinforcing Melitopol, and what are troops south of Kherson are spread thin and of low quality.

Granted Russia still has 9 assault ships that can each land an armored/mechanized company, so maybe just wanting to keep that option off the table? That or Russia blew it up; another moblik panicking and triggering the explosives too soon.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

Thing I'm wondering about is the rail bridge in Melitopol getting BTFO.
The bridge is west of the city so wouldn't stop the Russians from reinforcing Melitopol, and what are troops south of Kherson are spread thin and of low quality.

Granted Russia still has 9 assault ships that can each land an armored/mechanized company, so maybe just wanting to keep that option off the table? That or Russia blew it up; another moblik panicking and triggering the explosives too.

The way I see it, it cuts off anything coming by rail from Crimea to the front line in the south of Zaporizhia. I don't know how reliant the russians are on that particular link right now, but obviously a lot of gear has been flowing into the south of Ukraine through Crimea, as we saw when the Kerch bridge was blown. If the land bridge between the Donbas and Crimea ends up under more pressure with the ukies advancing, that will become a bigger deal too.

Also limits any circulation between the Kherson front (wet as it is) and the Zaporizhia one.

I believe the report has been that saboteurs blew it up, so it might also just be a target of opportunity from a few locals with bombs.

 

[draggs]

Filthy Ukronazis whole offensive was wrecked on the first day. Total hohol death

NATO vehicles ain't shit look at this same video of a dozen vehicles getting disabled and a few destroyed 37 different times from 37 different angles. Total hohol death

Filthy Ukronazis will get wrecked when they reach the main defense line. Total hohol death is coming <- you are here

 

[mindlessobserver]

"Comrade Lieutenant-Colonol-General! The Ukrainians have taken another village!"

"Blyat! Quick, post another picture of the Bradley with its tracks blown off on Telegram!"

 

[World in Scarlet]

Wow, that's a leap even for the Moscow Church. Pretty sure even the most "out there" protestant denominations accept Augustine's teachings as doctrinal. Christianity and its relationship to War has been established doctrine for almost 2,000 years. War is a facet of living in a fallen world. The church must on principle be opposed to war. Yet ready to fight if there is no other choice. Such as if the Church itself is assailed by the infidel and only war may preserve the faith.

Pacifism on its face however is an aspiration to the divine ideal. Quite a few monks and saints swore themselves to non violence like Justin the Martyr. The idea that a Patriarchate would say Pacifism itself is incompatible with Christianity is borderline heresy. In fact War has been the incompatible state that the Christian church has had to spend a great deal of time parsing out and justifying.

In case you didn't translate the article:

Burdin was fined in March 2022 in an administrative case for discrediting the army (part 1, article 20.3.3 of the Administrative Code). This happened after he, as rector of the Church of the Resurrection in the village of Karabanovo near Kostroma, published a link to an anti-war petition on the parish website. In addition, he addressed his parishioners. "And I stressed to my parishioners that I am not going to pray for the defeat of the Russian army or for the victory of the Ukrainian army. It doesn't matter to me whose blood is being spilled there. Ukrainians are killed, Russian soldiers are killed... a brother kills a brother, a Christian kills a Christian," the priest said.

Burdin is banned from ministry since March 19, 2023. He himself attributes this to an official request to allow him to transfer to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church (autocephalous, belonging to the Constantinople Patriarchate).

The priest's statements, which are said to "clearly denigrate the activities of the highest church authorities" of the Russian Orthodox Church, "undermine the trust of the faithful" and cause "harm to church unity," are scheduled to be considered at a church court hearing at the Kostroma diocese's administration on June 16.

"But even the very pacifism with which Priest Burdin tries to cover himself from the accusations against him is not compatible with the actual teaching of the Orthodox Church, in particular that set forth in the Foundations of the Social Concept. Pacifism was present in heretical doctrines at various times in church history: Gnostics, Paulacians, Bogomilians, Albigensians, Tolstoists, revealing, like other utopian ideologies, links with ancient Chiliasm," says the materials for the court hearing, which emphasize that throughout history the church has blessed soldiers to defend the country.

Business as usual in the Moscow Patriarchate.

 

[Snekposter]

These people's wealth (and health) would also be threatened by the development of a broader middle class or independent entrepreneurs, because those would demand transparency, and ultimately participatory government, and they would eventually have the economic power, one independent from Putin's good will, to back up those demands.

I'm reminded of a Russian administrator in the Czar's court in the late 1800's (name escapes me at the moment, sadly) who took steps to try and establish an entrepreneurial middle class... and naturally he was assassinated not too long after he started getting results with the investigation into his murder being shut down almost immediately, almost certainly because prominent Royalists were likely involved.

Definitely some progress in the south, but pretty hard to say still. The russians seem to have a lot of defensive lines to fall back to. As usual, it really depends on the actual losses on both sides, of which we really have no idea.

Noteworthy to me is that the ukes are reported to have blown up a railway bridge near Melitopol, which would effectively cut off rail traffic between Crimea and the mainland (the only other route would be through Kherson). May prove significant if true.
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I believe the Melitopol area has been one giant hive of partisan activity ever since the Russians took the place over. Not shocked some major infrastructure got taken out.

but 2nd level maintenance units are just a mess of soft skin trucks and box bodies.

They're not soft. I can't speak for other nations, but ever since WW2 American combat wreckers have had armored cab sections protecting the crew and engine. We obviously don't uparmor the ones intended for recovery in safe zones, though.

Those are HEMTT with the B-kit armor package, the second one the dedicated wrecker variant. I'm shit at estimating sizes but that has to be close to two inches of armor since it looks about what a Sherman has to my eyes. Even if its aluminum modern alloys are damn close to steel in terms of protection. At minimum you've got the equivalent of 20mm of RHA, which is better than the BMP, and almost certainly closer to 30 or 40mm, assuming we didn't just decide that since its a cargo truck there's no need to be fancy and just bolted on two inches of armor grade steel. Which would be enough to keep it safe from even point-blank 14.5mm fire and give it good chances of stopping 30mm fire up to a few hundred yards away, which is a hell of a lot better than the BMP. And yes, our current tank transporter has a similar uparmor package for it.

For comparison, here's the M25 Dragon Wagon we introduced in 1944:

Looks like a half inch of steel for the body and a quarter or so for the window panels. Obviously that's not stopping anything but shrapnel and MG fire, but by WW2 standards that was more than sufficient armor for a cargo truck.

Anyways, in news other than the front lines...
https://news.yahoo.com/german-arms-maker-guns-rapid-144547029.html
https://archive.ph/CyNiH

German arms maker guns for rapid production as Ukraine war rages​

Rheinmetall has already quadrupled their 120mm production numbers, and they're looking at 500k 35mm AA rounds a year. No word on artillery in the article, but with 18.5 billion in backorders they've got incentive to expand. They're making out like bandits with this war, and never let it be said that the Germans didn't have a Jew-like talent for sniffing out money. Coincidentally, its funny how the worst Jews always seem to have German-derived last names, isn't it?

https://archive.is/KKUM2

Pentagon Readies New $2 Billion Ukraine Air Defense Package​

As if things weren't already bad enough for Russia in the aerial sphere, PAC-3 and GEM-T are coming to Ukraine, PAC-3 being dedicated towards missile intercept and the GEM-T capable of intercepting both missiles and planes. They're also the latest the USA has, so I fully expect vatnik screeching and seething to intensify even more. Hilariously we're also shipping over the fucking Hawk, which first entered service in 1960. Its probably the 1993 J/K version and so about as modern as what the Russian Air Force is sending on missions, but even so I expect vatnik gloating about how we're totally digging deep into stockpiles to keep Ukraine supplied.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-drone-factory-ukraine-war-dfdfb4602fecb0fe65935cb24c82421a
https://archive.ph/ceIll

White House says Iran is helping Russia build a drone factory east of Moscow for the war in Ukraine​

No, you can't make this up. Imagine sucking so bad at technology you need the fucking Iranians to teach you how to make drones.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...s-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
https://archive.ph/LtCYT
Not going to post the headline since its a repeat of the URL, but I'd like to point out we're shipping 105mm and 203mm artillery shells. The 105s are extremely small by modern standards and really only suited to light guns for immediate support... but they're also extremely mobile and can drop fire when and where as needed and maneuver to avoid counter battery with no problems, or redeploy as the front advances. As for the 203mm shells, you don't use those unless you're planning to crack open fortifications. Funny how we announce that right as Ukraine starts their offensive...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-cops-significant-losses-inferior-192412178.html
https://archive.ph/W8Ins

Putin Cops to ‘Significant Losses,’ Inferior Weapons in Stunning War Admission​

Yeah, its originally from the Daily Beast so there's a 90% chance its a total fabrication, but whew...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-bans-large-quantities-ammunition-163042802.html
https://archive.ph/0Qn49

Russia bans use of large quantities of ammunition due to self-detonation – General Staff​

I try to avoid posting anything direct from Ukrainian sources for obvious reasons, but my gut says they're telling the truth on this. Russian QC has never been good, and now you're adding the rushed demands of war special military operation production.


Yep, looks like the partisans in Melitopol are stepping things up.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Business as usual in the Moscow Patriarchate.

I pray that the heresy of the Moscow Patriarchate is addressed, both internally and by the Church at large, and that those who have been mislead by Kirill and his ilk find the truth.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Video purporting to show Russian Barrier Troops shooting soldiers who retrea....deserted in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

 

[Ghostse]

Yep, looks like the partisans in Melitopol are stepping things up.

Ok, Rail bridge explosion makes sense now.

Explode rail bridge. Fuel trains now must park in Melitopol. Explode crowded depot.
Though locomotives are heavy and solid so while it might have fucked up some rolling stock I bet most of the locomotives are fine or just need to be put back on rails.

Also keeps trains from rolling to Crimean depots for additional fuel.

 

[not william stenchever]

Video purporting to show Russian Barrier Troops shooting soldiers who retrea....deserted in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

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Is Russian tradition, comrade.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I pray that the heresy of the Moscow Patriarchate is addressed, both internally and by the Church at large, and that those who have been mislead by Kirill and his ilk find the truth. pray that the heresy of the Moscow Patriarchate is addressed, both internally and by the Church at large, and that those who have been mislead by Kirill and his ilk find the truth.

The Ecumenical Patriarch was at the "Gently Chiding" phase last year. A few weeks ago he escalated to the "My Brothers in Christ" phase. Next step may be a formal chastisement. Beyond that though there really is not alot he can do. The worst case scenario would be calling a Council to strip the Moscow Patriarchate of its authority. Which would almost certainly mean a schism with the Russian church. So I don't really seeing it happen.

 

[Snekposter]

Ok, Rail bridge explosion makes sense now.

Explode rail bridge. Fuel trains now must park in Melitopol. Explode depot.
Though locomotives are heavy and solid so while it might have fucked up some rolling stock I bet most of the locomotives are fine or just need to be put back on rails.

Also keeps trains from rolling to Crimean depots for additional fuel.

Frankly they can't really afford a lack of rolling stock. Its their best option for strategic mobility of troops, equipment, and supplies, and they're going to need it. Worst case they use them to evacuate all the supplies they can before Ukraine moves in, telling the poor bastards stuck there that the Motherland owes them a debt of gratitude for volunteering to stay behind to delay the hohols for as long as possible.

Of course, we all know the most likely thing to happen to a soldier who didn't feel like doing his duty to the Rodina...

 

[Ghostse]

Frankly they can't really afford a lack of rolling stock.

I don't think they're hurting for rolling stock since, as you said, Russian logistics is primarily rail. Still, any disruption to Russian supply is a good thing.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Looks like the Russians "quite qualitatively strengthened" (according to the original Telegram post) their positions, as evident in this video released by the Ukrainian forces that captured it. Note the abandoned weapons and ammunition.

This analysis from a /k/ anon is worth contemplating:

If they had 9-12 months and the resources of the Russian Armed Forces at their disposal, what does this recent construction imply? My best guess is that in the buildup to the counteroffensive, they got nervous about the potential strength of the push and tried to add some extra protection.Similarly, the ammo being left behind suggests that the Russians in this position left in a hurry rather than as a methodical, purposeful withdrawal. I've seen reports that Russian ammo quality has been degrading, and channels like WarGonzo have been making allusions to "if the MoD gets vitally needed supplies to the frontline".

 

[Jewthulhu]

Video purporting to show Russian Barrier Troops shooting soldiers who retrea....deserted in the face of a Ukrainian advance.

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Looks like the Russians "quite qualitatively strengthened" (according to the original Telegram post) their positions, as evident in this video released by the Ukrainian forces that captured it. Note the abandoned weapons and ammunition.
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This analysis from a /k/ anon is worth contemplating:

People threw around the comparison to the Iraq war early on, but I did not expect it to be the Russians throwing down their arms and running away.