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[AssignedEva]

The other absolutely stupid thing they don't realize is that companies are dumb as fuck, but they DO react.

And now reddit the company realizes that "holyshit, powermods can just privatize or delete massive portions of our business".

I'mma say it now - within the year the private/delete functions will only work with admin approval, or with all mods approving, or something similar.

When you reveal a power move, expect it to be permanently countered.

This is not the first time this has happened. There's been two blackout protests before, the time they fired the AMA woman (which is when the admin-powerjanny relationship really took off) and the Aimee Challenor protests (larger scale, and when they really upped their game with forcibly adding powerjanny presence into many subreddits, to disrupt further protests).

I think Spez's leaked memo sums up their attitude - "let them have their two day tantrum and then we can carry on" - but as this was their usurping force doing much of the tantrum throwing they're probably more clued in to needing to groom some powerjanny replacements. The ultimate outcome - that they've effectively shut down all third party apps and can force everyone onto their official app for advertising revenue - is what they wanted, letting the powerjannies have their mod tool API access is such a minor concession that they probably don't care.

Letting the jannies have their private subreddit button stay put doesn't cost anything, as they've already demonstrated they can just reopen subreddits and neuter mods while supplanting them with chosen kool-aid drinkers who do as they're told. It's a pressure valve and they know if they take it away, it'll just cause more powerjanny meltdowns. Where mods already don't all agree, they've been able to go to ModSupport to forcibly reopen subs. Where mods do all agree, and it's some sort of subreddit that the admin team actually care about, it just gets reopened with a new mod team.

Speaking of which, the related thread in ModSupport is very funny because there's mods getting mad at "scabs" or with absolute brainrot and in denial.




(I also like their argument of "if you don't like the moderation, just make your own community", because that's what Null did and then they spent so much time and money trying to crush this site)

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Were the developers of these third party apps making money off of user data?

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Didn't reddit have a blackout over covid "misinformation?" I'm pretty sure reddit caved to the mods back then. They probably thought it would work a second time.

 

[quaawaa]

Didn't reddit have a blackout over covid "misinformation?" I'm pretty sure reddit caved to the mods back then. They probably thought it would work a second time.

Protests only work if the people in power agree with you or if you have some leverage over them that they can't work around. Otherwise, they just ignore you and do whatever they want.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Protests only work if the people in power agree with you or if you have some leverage over them that they can't work around. Otherwise, they just ignore you and do whatever they want.

If they don't agree with you, then you have to be prepared to sacrifice, and go all in on it. Because they will use every tool at their disposal, legal and non to get rid of you. A two day blackout of subs is just an irritant and quickly forgotten. Do two months, and then maybe...maybe...Reddit might start to sweat. However with how shit Reddit is, I imagine that the world would become a better place after two months of that site being dead.

 

[quaawaa]

If they don't agree with you, then you have to be prepared to sacrifice, and go all in on it. Because they will use every tool at their disposal, legal and non to get rid of you. A two day blackout of subs is just an irritant and quickly forgotten. Do two months, and then maybe...maybe...Reddit might start to sweat. However with how shit Reddit is, I imagine that the world would become a better place after two months of that site being dead.

Even that wouldn't work because mods provide negative value to the site. They could have just IP banned all of the striking mods and no normal user would have noticed.

 

[MugolEx]

LMFAO! All the normal users got stiffed. You WILL use the official app and you WILL be happy.

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

Were the developers of these third party apps making money off of user data?

They made a shit ton of money. Now they're using redditors to fight their battles for them.

 

[Absolutego]

Were the developers of these third party apps making money off of user data?

It's entirely possible. Through this blackout I learned iOS cucks were actually paying the Apollo dev for the privilege to fucking post.
RIF may just be old.reddit filtered through an android APK, but it never tried to pull that level of nonsense.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

They made a shit ton of money. Now they're using redditors to fight their battles for them.

Reddit got successful because those apps made reddit a compelling browsing experience. Reddit has NEVER been able to design a halfway decent or functional UI. Anyone who used the laughably garbage mod tools can attest, they're probably still worse than xenforo itself has. Whether it was browser addons like RES or apps like rif, reddit did not grow in isolation of those apps but because of them.

It's entirely possible. Through this blackout I learned iOS cucks were actually paying the Apollo dev for the privilege to fucking post.
RIF may just be old.reddit filtered through an android APK, but it never tried to pull that level of nonsense.

Now ask why people are willing to pay Apollo but are upset about this. It's because the official app is fucking horseshit. Reddit leaned on these apps and devs when they masqueraded as a community-driven company but shit's being called in and it's money time and we see now what they really cared about. It's just funny redditors are too stupid to see it. After all the shit spez and co pulled over the years, are you guys so surprised?

 

[GoysGoneWild]

They made a shit ton of money. Now they're using redditors to fight their battles for them.

It's entirely possible. Through this blackout I learned iOS cucks were actually paying the Apollo dev for the privilege to fucking post.
RIF may just be old.reddit filtered through an android APK, but it never tried to pull that level of nonsense.

Not doubting you guys but where can I read more about this? Thats fucking fascinating and would flip the entire thing on its head here.

 

[Rickenbacker]

The broom stick snapping heard across the world

 

[Absolutego]

Not doubting you guys but where can I read more about this? Thats fucking fascinating and would flip the entire thing on its head here.

Here's someone complaining about paying to post on Apollo from years back.
Apollo officially claims they don't sell user data in their privacy policy. So does RIF. They made money through in-app advertisements, same way reddit does and that's why reddit wants everyone on their app instead of somebody else's where the ads may be less intrusive.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

If it gets too heated they'll do what they did last time with that Chinese woman:
1. Fire spez + generous severance package.
2. Put in a new guy.
3. Blame everything on spez.
4. Promise a lot.
5. Deliver nothing.

reddit niggercattle will be placated.

Agree, but with 6. Put spez back in charge.

 

[CrunkLord420]

You do computer shit right? Here's a theory I had and I'd be interested in what you think.

One of the reasons that Reddit and it's mods are so unbelievably gay is that they are downstream of the day to day running of the site. I feel like the Internet would be a better place if people where forced to get into the weeds of running a forum or whatever outside of just moderation. Right now there's a small group of jannies that have massive amounts of control over any discussion but don't really have any real skin in the game.

Tech is always going to attract autistic loons but I feel like having full responsibility for a website might help broaden their horizons.

The demographics of reddit are not technical, or of the intelligentsia-class. Your average reddit janny cannot be bothered to learn how to write CSS for the subreddit they spent 10 hours a day jannying. Reddit is the peak example of the niggercattle class, midwits, NPCs, normies, etc, whatever you want to call them. There is nothing more mediocre in all ways than a redditor. This has been true since roughly ~2013 where the Slashdot-class was overtaken by the niggercattle-class, and now the literal Slashdotters (which hardly exist anymore) are a bunch of redditors. HackerNews is probably the best example of what Reddit was like prior to 2012, naive libertarian-leaning techbros.

90% of all "humans" do not really qualify as people, that statistic reaches nearly 100% when talking about redditors. Only about 10% of the total human population is capable of independent thought, everyone else just goes with the flow. Reddit is a perfect cathedral image of "the flow". This "protest" was a consequence of the cattle borrowing some ideas from their Marvel-movie-tier-propaganda but without the intellectual capability to understand, cargo cultism. You can see this when they use words they clearly do not understand like "scab".

Even the redditors who speak as if they understand this "protest" is retarded, they don't actually believe that. They we merely inconvenienced for a small period of time, preventing them from engaging in mass consumption of low quality goyslop. They heard someone much smarter than them (a member of the 10%) point out it's retarded, so they just repeat it, because they're angry their goyslop feed got disrupted. They don't actually understand any of this, they aren't actually sentient. They're a glorified Chinese Room. They're angry and repeating combinations of words that they heard other angry people say.

 

[Evil Peter Griffin]

Reddit got successful because those apps made reddit a compelling browsing experience. Reddit has NEVER been able to design a halfway decent or functional UI. Anyone who used the laughably garbage mod tools can attest, they're probably still worse than xenforo itself has. Whether it was browser addons like RES or apps like rif, reddit did not grow in isolation of those apps but because of them.

The only people that used third party apps were power users and jannies which makes up a small percentage of the Reddit user base. Most users don't even know about these apps.

Not doubting you guys but where can I read more about this? Thats fucking fascinating and would flip the entire thing on its head here.

They run ads on their app.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

The only people that used third party apps were power users and jannies which makes up a small percentage of the Reddit user base. Most users don't even know about these apps.



They run ads on their app.

Even Louis Rossman made a video on this and he is neither. Two things can be true, that reddit's usebase is incredibly faggy -and- this is a bad/stupid idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad spez is doing this because it's a bad idea for reddit and its community. But just because I think reddit's userbase is faggy doesn't mean I'm going to praise spez for doing something we'd hate him for doing on any other website. It's the social media equivalent of essentially closing of mod support in a video game. I'm not sure why we have to side with reddit's admins on this instead of thinking they're all faggots, which they are.

 

[hawkisnight]

I dislike reddit so much. Over the years it killed many community forums and it became a UI mess. Both on pc and mobile. I always feel distaste going there. Some games and other projects use reddit as official forums. Devs often read only reddit and in recent years - discord. If you want to find some user answer in search engines you have to add "topic" + "reddit" because otherwise you get sponsored stuff, bot blogs or old stuff. Not to mention all the cancerous politics and virtue signaling.
Although there's some good information on that site I wouldn't mind it dying. It did so much damage togheter with discord to the Internet it deserves its fate. I think it did more damage than chans.

 

[quaawaa]

HackerNews is probably the best example of what Reddit was like prior to 2012, naive libertarian-leaning techbros.

Hacker News is filled with 2023 redditors, not 2011 ones. Half the users there are unironic communists with zero technical knowledge. Anything non-woke or libertarian is downvoted and every other post is sucking off the EU/China or advocating for unionization/trans rights/some other lefty cause.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Hacker News is filled with 2023 redditors, not 2011 ones. Half the users there are unironic communists with zero technical knowledge. Anything non-woke or libertarian is downvoted and every other post is sucking off the EU/China or advocating for unionization/trans rights/some other lefty cause.

Yes, you're mostly right. Most of the actual slashdotters have either aged out (literally fucking dead boomers lmao) or become compromised by globohomo because they enjoy making $300k (or trooned out). The contrast between circa 2008 Slashdot and 2023 HackerNews is stark, but you can still see embers of 2008 in Slashdot where on Reddit it has been intentionally excised.

It reminds me of one of Moldbug's rhetorical lines about how all westoid universerities agree with each other completely. But those same universities would consider themselves intellectual criminals if debating themselves from a few decades prior.