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ive had quite a few normies talk about him on facebook since this whole thing happened. people FAR outside this circle. its because of that tucker carlson spot and all the other coverage the motherfucker-ing garnered.
its very likely that a normie may have heard about Chris in passing, but only knows him as "that ol Chris Chan the funny Sonic webcomic guy from the interwebz" (a man with short brown hair and an iconic striped sweater who hates those dang dirty homos, not at all what Chris looks like today) or "Christine the mother-sexer" (likely heard about the news and was outraged for exactly 5 minutes, never saw a picture, maybe only briefly, and doesnt know anything like his last name or appearance enough to pick him out of a crowd)
 
I question if the courts could get away with a term like that. I'm not a legal kiwi, but it would seem a bit backwards if they can get away with a no internet clause for probations but not for actual sentences. But Chris is one of the first people to be deferred by the new law, so the courts are still probably figuring out what they can and can't do with the probation clauses.

It's not probation (though in practice a probation office may be engaged for check-ins or on-site visits). Diversions are contracts, so the terms are negotiated, with counsel. It is a willing agreement, not an imposed punishment. Diversion programs have been in place at state, local, and Federal levels for decades. No idea if there have been challenges (Constitutional or otherwise), but again, terms of the programs are not punishments, but contract terms - and there is always an alternative (prosecution/trial). It's a way to admit guilt (or effectively admit it; many programs require an admission, but not clear if 100%) but allow for the possibility that someone will shape up without a criminal conviction. Thus, the many juvenile and first-time offender adult diversion programs out there. There are also many drug diversion programs, as well as mental health diversion programs (CA has one; schizos welcome; BPDs are SOL). VA is not the only state that considers autism as a special case for diversion consideration (see, e.g., Indiana). General principles of these programs tend to be to lean to a "least restrictive" standard and, where feasible, to tailor terms somewhat to the offense/offender. As someone else said, the parties could have agreed that restricting Chris's access was the best all around - particularly when you consider that email Heilberg sent to someone from here (iirc) basically outlining an "internet bullying as precursor/causal factor in Chris's behavior" (thanks, Janke), whether strictly accurate or not. Alternatively, it may be simply that he's agreed to do without while at [wherever he is] as part of an overall therapeutic approach. Maybe he actually likes it. It looks like he's gone out and been social irl (gamestop to play games with humans; the trip to the outlets with [we surmise] others from [wherever he is]), and is playing vidya games, so maybe that's enough.
I think if he got kicked out of whatever program he's in, that's probably a violation of the diversion and they go back to court and prosecute him
I can't see how it wouldn't be. Though I guess it could be a separate deal, more along the lines of state-sanctioned care that was part of a packaged resolution but not strictly a term of the diversion...and he really has nowhere else to go, so to the extent he is understanding some realities :optimistic: , he has every motivation to be a good citizen there because it's all at least somewhat entwined, however it's structured.
 
I can't see how it wouldn't be. Though I guess it could be a separate deal, more along the lines of state-sanctioned care that was part of a packaged resolution but not strictly a term of the diversion...and he really has nowhere else to go, so to the extent he is understanding some realities :optimistic: , he has every motivation to be a good citizen there because it's all at least somewhat entwined, however it's structured.
It's probably still discretionary as to whether they go straight back to prosecution or try to work something else out. I think it would depend why he got kicked out. If he raped a granny they'd go back to trial and prosecute him for the new thing, but if he just had some autistic meltdown, maybe not.
 
It's probably still discretionary as to whether they go straight back to prosecution or try to work something else out. I think it would depend why he got kicked out. If he raped a granny they'd go back to trial and prosecute him for the new thing, but if he just had some autistic meltdown, maybe not.
There are usually a few deal-killer violations, but yes, it's usually possible to violate the diversion agreement technically and not get sent immediately to "jail/do not pass Go" status. For sure it's all discretionary.
 
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I had the weirdest thought. What if he got so good with make belief in jail, that he agreed to not having internet access, smugly thinking to himself: "Mmhh yeah, slow in da mind jerkops don't know I am a goddess ya'll have been astral twittering with Sonichu the entire time!" -Chist makes a twitter notification noise, other tards grunt curiously- "Oh yeah, what a nice dickpick there Bundychu, you go girl, but don't shoot her after soul bounding, you silly goose."
 
Sighted in the crowd of WWF the Arcade game seated next to Adolf Hitler:
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I had the weirdest thought. What if he got so good with make belief in jail, that he agreed to not having internet access, smugly thinking to himself: "Mmhh yeah, slow in da mind jerkops don't know I am a goddess ya'll have been astral twittering with Sonichu the entire time!" -Chist makes a twitter notification noise, other tards grunt curiously- "Oh yeah, what a nice dickpick there Bundychu, you go girl, but don't shoot her after soul bounding, you silly goose."
This sounds like Friend Computer from the Paranoia TTRPG.
 
dude gateway or whomever the fuck is wrangling him have not been granted the ability to take away any of his rights. I'm trying not to be an asshole but like...are you fucking high? these programs, group homes, halfway houses and reentry programs are NOT internment camps that are granted carte blanche over the lives of the mentally or criminally deranged. it's not secret knowledge either you can easily look into how these places work. I legit have to ask why so many people here are confused about how these programs work. they aren't clandestine organizations fucking google it homie. no matter how badly you think he should be tied to a chair in a sanatorium with diodes on his temples for the rest of eternity that shit doesn't happen to people guilty of what CWC is guilty of, or worse even for that matter
In principle, I agree with what you're saying, but the problem is that there are so many instances where Chris' situation, whatever it may be, it not technically one thing or another so it's unsure. He's in a diversion program, so none of it is technically punishment so there's less clearly defined precedence to what would or would not violate his rights. Is Gateway Homes, (or whoever,) a landlord providing housing? a medical facility? something else? All of these would have different restrictions and there's likely specific regulations governing halfway homes.

If you were to check yourself into rehab, they can restrict your communication as a condition of staying there without "violating anyone's rights." These weird technicalities are what keeps me interested at this point and I'm fascinated by the spergiest parts of the law.
 
If you were to check yourself into rehab, they can restrict your communication as a condition of staying there without "violating anyone's rights." These weird technicalities are what keeps me interested at this point and I'm fascinated by the spergiest parts of the law.
If you don't like it you can turn down the deal and take your chances. You might win. You might even "lose" but still get less onerous probation conditions than what they wanted you to agree to. What you don't get to do is just bypass the entire procedure, and when the procedure itself is as unpleasant as it is, a lot of people are willing to go for that rather than gamble with their freedom.
 
I think I'm caught up with the Parole Saga so far.
I'm not seeing that anyone has approached her* or that there's been any communication with the Internet on her* part. If I were going to go through the effort of walking around Walmart a few paces behind her*, I'd at least get a discreet interview, if only a couple questions
 
I think I'm caught up with the Parole Saga so far.
I'm not seeing that anyone has approached her* or that there's been any communication with the Internet on her* part. If I were going to go through the effort of walking around Walmart a few paces behind her*, I'd at least get a discreet interview, if only a couple questions
Chris chan is a guy
 
Chris chan is a guy
She identifies as trans
Chris is too far out of it to be any of the above.
Physiologically and presumably genetically male is the most that can be said.

Any reasonably definable social category is out of the question.
I suppose the outmoded category "criminally insane" might apply at this point.

Is there such a category as "criminally autistic" or is that just a KF + /pol/ fantasy?
 
>Chris chan is a guy
>She identifies as trans
technically both are true...

hell jokes aside id argue most transsexual individuals are no longer biologically strictly male or female- everything from the physical appearance of our external and internal body parts, chromosomes and hormonal profile, to the structure of our brains, is based in sex
if someones body is a mishmash of both and their brain is confused about its purpose, its hard to claim that theyre as much of a woman as a biological woman, but theyre not as much of a man as a regular man either
 
She identifies as trans, therefore she is trans.
If she decides that's no longer the case then fine but your hang ups don't get to define anyone else's identity, sweaty 💅🏻
"She" also identifies as a shapeshifting hedgehog pokemon anime computer goddess who is the true main character of life and star of the most giga-autistic crossover of Sonic, Pokemon, Hyperdimension Neptunia, MLP, and the Bible ever conceived in the mind of a retard. My point being that at a certain point CWC's concept of self became so divorced from anything resembling reality that things like pronouns and trans identity sort of became moot and almost ridiculous to contemplate. Chris functionally doesn't have a gender because he doesn't have a coherent concept of self, doesn't have any normal social relationships, and is so far removed from mainstream social norms in all of his behavior that his gender, however you want to classify it, simply doesn't matter.

Does that make sense? The person I'm replying to is presumably a tranny if not a low-effort troll so I don't expect them to get this, but gender is not a simple matter of self-identification and that's it, full stop, you are what you say you are (as trans dogma would have it). It's a social phenomenon relating to how others perceive you and how you present yourself. People who interact with Chris perceive him as insane and/or retarded first and foremost. He doesn't dress as a woman, he dresses in a weird autistic assemblage of clothes. His hair is long but ill-kempt, he may or may not have shaved, his eyes are blank and autistic in their cratered and baggy sockets. He smells bad and you want him to get away from you. If you try to talk to him it quickly becomes bizarre cartoon-religious fantasy nonsense. How do you even begin to parse the "gender" of a thing like that? Beyond clocking him as biologically male I don't see how you can relate to him as a man or a woman.

If we're not talking about gender as a social/relational phenomenon but as pure self-determined identity, why would I give a fuck what Chris identifies as except to laugh at it? He also identifies as the wife of Mewtwo and Magi-Chan. He identifies as someone who didn't rape his mother, just healed her soul. He identifies as the Messiah. He identifies as "setsy" and desirable. I mean come on. "You don't get to define anyone else's identity", are you seriously suggesting we have to accept a lunatic's self-conception as valid? I have no interest in defining CWC's identity, just in mocking it.
 
yknow youre absolutely right, and i think this is by far the best explanation of gender AS a social phenomena ive ever read
id say transgender individuals can be best described as "honorary members of their gender". they dont have the necessary sex, but they perform their role in society as the sex they identify with to such a degree that theyre alotted that respect, and our recognition of what that role is and what make that role ultimately relies on observation of patterns
ironically, you cant really respect a transgender persons gender without having a concrete grasp on normative gender, its not as loosey and fruity as you might wanna believe it is, you gotta know what a real duck looks like if you wanna claim that something walks like a duck and sounds like a duck
Chris simply hasnt earned that respect

the discussion of Chris' gender identity isnt even within the regular confines of psychological science, its so far removed from normality that it even baffles the mentally abnormal

but that aside, why are you people still falling for and replying to bait?
 
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