Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Pentagon accounting error is less because they had to turn down the graft. Also, Zelensky made a Hollywood trailer, then says real life is not like a trailer.

lol, lmao even.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

They will try something, there's no doubt of that on my mind. This is false flag 101. But what are their chances of success? and by success I mean starting a meltdown or something that could seriously pollute the surrounding area?

Ukraine nuclear power plant was operating by European protocols, which means the exhausted fuel was not recycled but kept on the premises. In concrete barrels. Under an open sky.

The bad news is, said barrels are just 9 kilometers away from the Ukrainian territory and can be hit by artillery. The good news is, opening fire on the barrels will cause only a minor contamination that will most likely not even go beyond the station itself, similar to the Three Mile Island incident.

Of course, Ukraine will make NUCULAR TERRURISM noises. Somehow I feel they expected more media buck for the recent bang that destroyed the dam, but the unprecedented ecological catastrophe became yesterday's news fast and with even the US saying it cannot determine the culprit and refusing to point fingers, well. What else can Ukraine do to stay in the spotlight.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

What else can Ukraine do to stay in the spotlight.

Make a submersible out of carbon fiber, seal the Ukrainian submariners in, instruct them to go deeper than what their sub is rated and when they go missing spam the media and imply the dirty Russians blew it up because they were trying to reclaim Crimea.

Worked for a rich literal who dilettante from San Fransisco

 

[Useful_Mistake]

zelinsky is saying there is going to be an attack by "Terrorists" on the nuke plant.
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1671805650106474497


I have a really bad feeling about this. Everything is telling me that's the last play to be had. They have nothing else to force NATO into the conflict. And it could all snowball into a clusterfuck if Russia cant protect the plant.


They will try something, there's no doubt of that on my mind. This is false flag 101. But what are their chances of success? and by success I mean starting a meltdown or something that could seriously pollute the surrounding area?

I liked Tracey's take on this:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1671967608889810956

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/WnxU2

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1645011141788151808

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/DEYTD

He seems to agree with your assertion

 

[namvata]

zelinsky is saying there is going to be an attack by "Terrorists" on the nuke plant.
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1671805650106474497

lmao didn't they already try this strategy before?

24 hours later

"HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME I'M MAKING MOVES IN SILENCE!!!" -

 

[The Ugly One]

So did Hitler when his generals weren't braindead retarded and suggesting repeating WW1 on the Western front instead of actually winning. The fags wanted to spend over 2 years and entirety of German equipment just to destroy netherlands, belgium, and luxembourg

Hitler didn't come up with the strategy for invading France; the attack plan was Manstein's, and Hitler chose it over Halder's. It's no different than what Lincoln did by ultimately choosing Grant over McClellan. His role up until 1941 was an executive function, largely relying on subordinates to do the actual tactical planning and delegating responsibility to whomever he figured would be successful, and he was largely not very bad at that.

Hitler took over tactical command in 1941, and his record as a tactical commander is an unmitigated disaster, directing the Wehrmacht to defeat after defeat and needless bloodletting for zero gain.

 

[Got Milk!]

On the ZNPP issue. Multiple cities in Ukraine are already actively holding drills in the event of a nuclear contamination event.




Also, there was a release by Lindsey Graham and some other faggot that any attack on the znpp would be just cause to activate article 5.


Eta: the second point here specifically

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Hitler didn't come up with the strategy for invading France; the attack plan was Manstein's, and Hitler chose it over Halder's.

My point was that the original plan was stupid, and thereby rejected by Hitler who told them to come up with something better (Hitler suggested repeating the plan they used against Poland). Even Wikipedia, admits that:


Like I said, Hitler did listen to his commanders when their plans weren't stupid. Did Hitler make major fuck ups himself? Of course.

Sorry, to the Russo-Ukrainian war readers, we got a bit off track.

Also, there was a release by Lindsey Graham and some other faggot that any attack on the znpp would be just cause to activate article 5.

What if Ukraine attacks? Will they invoke Article 5 then? What am I saying, of course not.

 

[Susanna]

What if Ukraine attacks? Will they invoke Article 5 then? What am I saying, of course not.

Of course they will attack.
“Russia bombed their own nuclear power plant under hohol flags as a provocation against NATO, leaving us no choice but to cause Armageddon in response!”

 

[Betonhaus]

Of course they will attack.
“Russia bombed their own nuclear power plant under hohol flags as a provocation against NATO, leaving us no choice but to cause Armageddon in response!”

Of course that might cause a chain reaction with China and BRICS that they refused to anticipate, let alone the escalation Russia will do to match. NATO donated a LOT of weaponry to Ukrian for this, what do they have left?

 

[Overly Serious]

On the ZNPP issue. Multiple cities in Ukraine are already actively holding drills in the event of a nuclear contamination event.

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Also, there was a release by Lindsey Graham and some other faggot that any attack on the znpp would be just cause to activate article 5.

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Eta: the second point here specifically

All of this just makes me more certain they're preparing to do a false flag. I really hope they don't. If they do, I really hope there's proof it was them.

 

[Harambe]

All of this just makes me more certain they're preparing to do a false flag. I really hope they don't. If they do, I really hope there's proof it was them.

If Zelensky did it himself while dressed as Uncle Sam, riding around in an Abrams, livestreaming on fucking Twitch they would say it was the evil Russian orks

 

[The Ugly One]

Ahh yeah, the good old prepare the population for war by drip feeding it and riling up the population over time with a daily 2 minute hate. We've seen the process of dehumanization and social conditioning on a large scale occur for a long ass time with the term "orc" now becoming common practice as what can be best described as a slur.

In the US, our leadership has openly said the purpose of this war is simply to kill Russians for no other reason than we think a world with fewer Russians is a better place.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I have a really bad feeling about this. Everything is telling me that's the last play to be had. They have nothing else to force NATO into the conflict. And it could all snowball into a clusterfuck if Russia cant protect the plant.

Like others have said, this has happened previously where Ukraine risked attacking the nuke plant but failed. Why would Russia do this to themselves? It makes absolutely no sense, but with the intelligence of people involved, everyone will randomly believe Russia did this except doing what it wants.

Russia had better fucking completely fortify that nuke plant and have it be fucking tight, because dumbfag and the CIA have no other options to get NATO involved.

EDIT:
Though it could be revealed as a false flag a day later and faggots like Lindsey Grahm would say its 'too late' to go back. It doesn't even need to be an effective lie. It just needs to work 12-24 hours. Though we'll see how many EU faggots want to go die for Ukraine.

 

[Betonhaus]

If they want to keep it secret, why admit it after the event? If they don't want to keep it secret, why not say so when they detected and save a lot of fearful waiting on the part of loved ones and high costs of diverting ships and flying in help?

Or was it just a good distraction from Biden's woes?

The US not admitting to hearing the explosion until Thursday leads me to suspect that the SOSUS system may not be as accurate as they are claiming. Its possible the system is still using cold war era equipment that relies on old men that used to have very good hearing who listen to recordings after the fact. If things escalate, could Russia begin probing the sensor system to see how close they can get their subs into vital positions?

The US Coast Guard is likely to have the most sophisticated system out of the necessity of catching narco-submarines carrying illegal drugs, and they only have an 11% success rate of catching the subs. And assuming that those are the more unsophisticated and noisy subs and not government designed subs engineered for stealth...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine

... Could Russia have unmanned drones that they can slowly put in position and park until they hear a coded message blasted through the sea that triggers them to rise and launch missiles at predetermined positions?

 

[SIMIΔN]

our leadership has openly said the purpose of this war is simply to kill Russians for no other reason than we think a world with fewer Russians is a better place

And they probably consider dead Ukrainians to be a win too. Getting the Soviets to kill each other is every coldwarrior's dream.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

What's with the reports of Wagner turning on the Russian Army?

Fake news or real happening?

 

[Got Milk!]

Hot fresh posts from rybar. I'm simply machine translating and posting here in Anglish. Take from it what you will:

1:
️ The public conflict between the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, apparently, is nearing its end.

Today, Prigozhin published a frank interview in which he voiced many things that are not customary to talk about in a public environment: about the reasons for the special operation, the troubled affairs of officials, indulging the needs of the oligarchy, profiting from the troubles of Donbass and the collapse of the Russian army.

In this entire interview, specific culprits appear - Shoigu and Gerasimov, whom Prigozhin has been openly blaming for all the problems for the past two months, and Medvedchuk, who has been written off.

An hour ago, Prigozhin reported on the strike of the Russian Armed Forces on the rear camp of the Wagner PMC (there is a video on the Web, the operator is following the same route as military commander Alexander Simonov). We have questions about the video: despite the preliminary confirmation of the facts of setting tasks for planning a fire attack on the objects of the Wagner PMC, the video itself does not pull on 100% proof and with a high degree of probability it is staged.

According to Prigozhin, the council of PMC commanders decided to "figure out why chaos is happening in the country." He demanded from law enforcement agencies not to obstruct, because "it's time to end the disgrace." Prigozhin's stated goal is to deal with Shoigu, who, in his words, "fled from Rostov."

According to the head of the PMC, he has 25,000 fighters behind him. He called on all those who are not indifferent to join his fight. After restoring order, Prigozhin promised to return to the front.
#VSRF #Russia #PMC
@rybar

Associated vidya:

2:
The Russian Defense Ministry denied the information about the attack on the rear camp of Wagner PMC.

After Prigozhin’s statements, additional reinforcement measures were introduced on Frunzenskaya Embankment, which, however, have been in effect for the past two days due to ongoing counter-terrorism measures.
#VSRF #Russia #PMC
@rybar

3: (not sure if related but it's coming in the middle of the other so I assume so):

A military collegium is convened on the Frunzenskaya street: a general meeting has been announced for the central bodies of military control

4:

Incomprehensible reports that the Russian Aerospace Forces is working for PMCs / PMC aviation is working for the RF Armed Forces / someone somewhere in Millerovo / Rostov / on the outskirts captured something or stopped someone.

The fog of an incomprehensible war is no longer in the occupied Zaporozhye, but inside Russian territories.
#VSRF #Russia #PMC
@rybar

5:

Yevgeny Prigozhin added to the register of foreign agents - Ministry of Justice

6:
The irony of 2023: Prigozhin, who in 2021 had a hand in the landing of Alexei Navalny - including for all sorts of marches - two years later announced his own march of justice.

According to the head of the Wagner PMC, the majority of the military "ardently supports him." We believe in this: after 16 months of the NMD, ordinary servicemen have accumulated a lot of questions for the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

But his words about the Rostov morgue and "two thousand bodies" that Shoigu ordered to "hide so as not to show losses", to put it mildly, cause skepticism. People who have been in that morgue know very well that separate unidentified bodies are stored there, including from the time of the Chechen wars. Which no one can put anywhere.

What's the point of hiding something?
#VSRF #Russia #PMC
@rybar

7:
Here they tell us in the feedback bot to look at the metadata of Prigozhin's audio recordings, which are being uploaded right now.

We checked - indeed, everything was recorded at 19 hours 25 minutes.

Well, it turns out that this is not an “online military coup”. And the first "military coup through delayed messages."
#VSRF #Russia #PMC
@rybar

8:

A criminal case has already been opened against Prigozhin for calls for an armed rebellion - this was reported by the National Anti-Terrorism Committee. They also demanded that all illegal actions be stopped immediately.

Meanwhile, Peskov informed the public that the Supreme Commander is aware.

And in Ukraine, the most popular message of this hour is “Disassembly in rashtsi, but they cut light from me.” Our troops are attacking Zaporozhye and the Dnepropetrovsk region.
#VSRF #Russia #Ukraine #PMC
@rybar

(The last post was made within 5 minutes of my post)

I hope this is a "oh you think YOU can false flag. Watch this" or something like that.

 

[Betonhaus]

I hope this is a "oh you think YOU can false flag. Watch this" or something like that

I don't really have the faintest understanding what this is. I wasn't expecting this amount of animosity and it seems unlikely. If it's a false flag event it's pretty convincing, but considering the success and order Russia has previously had it is likely a false flag. The Ukraine thread will have a completely different interpretation based on their understanding of the war so far.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

And in Ukraine, the most popular message of this hour is “Disassembly in rashtsi, but they cut light from me.” Our troops are attacking Zaporozhye and the Dnepropetrovsk region.

In before the entire circus is 6D underwater chess move to force Ukraine start the counteroffensyv.

Or maybe 25k screaming convict berserkers are already en route to Kremlin to hang whoever they find there from impromptu gallows like Peter I hanged the Streltsy, who knows.

No reports about actual movement of Wagner troops or hardware so far.

Everybody lies.