Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Friendly fire is of course the friendliest form of fire. If this is not some convoluted gayop I can only imagine the chaos on the Russian front line in Ukraine. Any contact with friendly units could be mistaken with contact with rebel units. Such incidents would hopefully be sorted out before artillery fire missions are called in but they are fucking vodka goblins who are almost allergic to running a real military.
 
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World in Scarlet said:
How difficult would it be snap a selfie?
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Given how selfies - either geotag data, IDing people in the background or landmark triangulation - have been involved in pretty much every single giant own in this conflict with the (somehow) exception of the sinking of the Moskva, I'm going to say that's good opsec.
 
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Ghostse said:
Given how selfies - either geotag data, IDing people in the background or landmark triangulation - have been involved in pretty much every single giant own in this conflict with the (somehow) exception of the sinking of the Moskva, I'm going to say that's good opsec.
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Exactly. It makes perfect sense for Prigozhin to not reveal himself. He doesn't want to give away his location. If this is real, and at this point, considering the utter chaos that seems to be erupting within Russia, I believe it is, then the last thing he wants to do is pinpoint his own location. On the other hand, had he been arrested, they would be parading him around by now, and his "coup" would have been immediately crushed.
 
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Pri Pri Prigozhin
Hater of the Shoigu team
There was a cat that really was gone
Pri Pri Prigozhin
Russia's greatest chef machine
It was a shame how he carried on

Oh, those Russians

Anyway looks like Wagner has taken control of Rostov with barely any resistance
 
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Wagner Telegram is claiming they shot down a Russian Army helicopter.

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Little green men have appeared in Rostov.
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Is this the beginning of the Rostov People's Republic, or will the new state vote to re-join Ukraine?
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(nobody seems to know what is going on right now and Prigozhin doesn't say anything informative)

I heard that red Z are supposedly Wagnerites.
 
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Illuminati Order Official said:
If it's not some sort of diversion \ gayop (if it is - chapeau bas, Ruskies) - Wagner are mercenaries. Someone - probably from the inside - just offered a better contract than Putin has.
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Its highly unlikely Wagner would betray Russian interests. Wagner is basically a PMC-in-name-Only, its basically an extension of the Russian government where the Russian government cannot officially be involved. The entirety of the PMC are Russian ex-special forces as well as Russian Ex-MoD officials. The most foreign of its fighters are from Chechnya if you could even consider that 'foreign'. It still has a lot of enemies in the Russian MoD as per Russian politics. No one wants to make them look more successful and its entirely possible the MOD has tried to kill Wagner's success (literally) and Progohzin finally got fed up with it and went for their throat.
RodgerDodger said:
Do we need a third "Russian Special Military Operation against the Russian Special Military Operation" thread?
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For the love of fuck no.
MvAgusta said:
What if Putin secretly wants this? Maybe he wants to see who can be a more competent minister of defense so he takes a Russian approach to this: battle it out between Prigozhin and Shoigu.
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This is one of many likely scenarios. A lot of people are incompetent and untouchable in the Russian MoD and its unlikely Putin could push them out without something like this happening. The FSB just allowing them through is suspect, especially when they're screaming about a coup.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
Its highly unlikely Wagner would betray Russian interests. Wagner is basically a PMC-in-name-Only, its basically an extension of the Russian government where the Russian government cannot officially be involved. The entirety of the PMC are Russian ex-special forces as well as Russian Ex-MoD officials. It still has a lot of enemies in the Russian MoD as per Russian politics. No one wants to make them look more successful and its entirely possible the MOD has tried to kill Wagner's success and Progohzin finally got fed up with it and went for their throat.

For the love of fuck no.

This is one of many likely scenarios. A lot of people are incompetent and untouchable in the Russian MoD and its unlikely Putin could push them out without something like this happening.
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Prigozhin smells blood in the river; Shoigu is the weak link in the Russian elite. If Prigozhin can successfully use his army to counteract Shoigu, he might remove the Shoigist faction of Putin’s regime.
 
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