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Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
- Thread starter Bohdan Khmelnytsky
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After employing human wave tactics themselves and using people as cannon fodder. Yeaaah, this is bullshit.
I'm looking forward to Wagner turning tiktokers into mincemeat, they're posers riding reputation of much better people and fighters that came before.
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Here's some Light reading but I'll save you some time and C&P the relevant part:
"the official newspaper of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union"
Aka literal Russian propaganda rag.
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Let's say for the sake of argument that this attempted coup really is a 4D chess move to pwn Ukraine, or whatever.
The fact that they'd even have to resort to it says it all.
The fact that they'd even have to resort to it says it all.
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I don't think Chef is short term bad for Ukraine at all. After all this is done, Russia won't be in any position to defend its territorial "gains" nor to mount gayops in foreign countries. If Chef wins, all Russian troops will return home and he'll likely immediately get into an agreement with the West, if that is not already long done.
People underestimate gayops and intelligence stuff. I was against this war being fought with severe casualties and troops on the trenches from its very start, but at one point it might have become a necessity to give time for the real deal breakers to push money and "diplomacy" around. Most people have no national loyalty, that's for peasants, their loyalty is towards power and wealth accumulation.
The thing with Prigozhin is he'll become a ruthless czar once he stabilizes the country. And that means danger again.
Power. Always power.
You don't just build an army and an image of a leader that goes to the frontlines in battle armor. You don't just engage in a battle of almost a year for a tiny town, losing thousands of men for the "Glory of Russia".
He might've not done this if offered a proper position in the government. Maybe replacing Shoigu. He was given NOTHING, as Russia fears him, obviously. Remember Rome and succeeding generals? Both respected, yet feared tremendously, as everyone knew they can always take power, especially if they march their armies into the capital.
I will be waiting for the articles about how CIA was in talks with Chef for months. Smart people fight with words and manipulation; idiots try to butcher all the way through.
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Ah I see the confusion. My link is Ukrainska Pravda, a Ukrainian news site unrelated to the Russian propaganda outlet, aside from the similar name.
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Well, no one takes Shoigu seriously, not even vatniks, so it's not hard to be more popular than him.
As for Prigozhin ending the war if he gets his way, he only ever said the opposite. You could say he's just doing it in order to get popular support, because for most Russians it's a matter of pride and they wouldn't put their faith in a defeatist (even though the war is already lost by most metrics, considering its objectives). I hope for all our sakes he has a deal with some sort of moderate faction of Russian elites to put an end to this absurd war.
As for Prigozhin ending the war if he gets his way, he only ever said the opposite. You could say he's just doing it in order to get popular support, because for most Russians it's a matter of pride and they wouldn't put their faith in a defeatist (even though the war is already lost by most metrics, considering its objectives). I hope for all our sakes he has a deal with some sort of moderate faction of Russian elites to put an end to this absurd war.
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There's the matter of practicality, of course. If he successfully coups Putin, the entire military will be in a shambles for months. He'll have to halt operations at the very least, just to sort everything out.
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Hahahahahahaha nigger. Zelenksyy stayed in Kyiv even while it was bombed, hit with rockets in the early stages of war and Russia sent their Spetznas in.
And Putin is fleeing while Wagner is a 5 hour ride away?
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You guys have the gift of making a dramatic flashpoint in a live-fire war sound like IP2 drama.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Putin cornered, if that's where this is going. If he loses popular support and sees no graceful exit...
I'm not comfortable with the idea of Putin cornered, if that's where this is going. If he loses popular support and sees no graceful exit...
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It's one thing nuking an adversary, it's another nuking your own people, if that's what you're implying. Unless something changed, Putin can't launch nukes on a whim, it takes other people to do that, and they won't go along with it for sure.
I just don't see that happening at all. There's been plenty of drama in the 90s and no one got nuked, come on. It's the least realistic concern you could have here.
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He'll just keep retreating to more and more remote areas he still controls hoping for some kind of a miracle to save him if it comes down to that. That's what his entire strategy for Ukraine has been for the last 1.5 years: Buying time and hoping for a miracle.
By the time it's truly over for him, all following his orders will be his personal guard of 12 people and some weasly minister he forcefully dragged along with him.
The nooks won't solve anything for him anyway, but hiding in increasingly obscure corners of Russia or fleeing the country and starting a government in exile might.
Besides, if his men aren't loyal enough to stop Wagner from cruising along the highway at record speeds, they aren't going to nuke Russian cities for him. With coups and civil wars it becomes very muddy who's orders to actually follow, and that confusion makes the use of nukes less likely, not more likely.
If NATO was attacking Russia, most people in the nuclear launch chain wouldn't bat an eye, but here it's your own leaders calling each other traitors.
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It's not. This is a legit coup/civil war. Completely self inflicted. Putin screwed up. Going into Ukraine was a huge mistake
From what I heard he fled Moscow in a helicopter of some type. Then I heard he was flying to St. Petersburg in a plane. I imagine the chopper took him to the airport. But that's just my guess.
It's not a big issue. This is a Russian coup/civil war. This is all self inflicted. They did this themselves by believing their own BS. Russian nuclear doctrine says they will use nukes when the Russian state is threatened. But this isn't an invading foreign army. These are Russians moving on their capital planning to take down their government. Are they going to nuke themselves? Probably not.
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He'll just flee to North Korea like the manlet faggot that he is.
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If Wagner actually reaches the ring road It may actually be unuronically over. Wtf is the Russian Air Force doing? The only way they aren't getting mogged right now is if the pilots are refusing orders
A guy on twitter made a good point about Russian military units just surrendering and joining the Wagner advance because it reduces the chance of them ending up being fed into the Ukraine meat grinder by Putin.
This could end up being a fairly bloodless coup if enough of them switch sides early on.
This could end up being a fairly bloodless coup if enough of them switch sides early on.
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But what about the VDV?