Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[AnOminous]

Beelzebub is a repulsive giant fly man creature associated with all things vile and sickening.

Even latter day Christianity has a bunch of names of demons covered in the Ars Goetia but just uses them interchangeably with Satan. It was the Hebrews who first associated Baalzebub (based on Ba'al) with flies and vermin to defame the religion of the people who worshipped him (because they were Philistines).

Almost no current Christians use these names to refer to anyone but the actual Devil, though, much less know about the Ars Goetia or make much of 2 Kings (where he also appears as a foreign god and not as a synonym for Satan).

So there's no real reason to stick to ancient demonology sources (even those directly referenced) in a fanfic about Hell.

and we still don't have a decent father-daughter moment between Blitz and Loona, which I was hoping for a bit of sympathy with Blitz's situation with Loona trying to comfort him not knowing how and watching him drown his sorrows,
but she only goes after him because someone had to convince her and she only went because arguing with Bee was embarrassing her in front of the Vortex, and she still acts irritated with Blitz wanting to interact as little as possible without interest or curiosity.

I don't know, they weren't together but I thought the bit in Seeing Stars when he utterly lost his shit about that ugly deformed dog was an actual reveal. So was when Loona was telling Octavia that just because her dad's a fuckup doesn't mean he doesn't care, she was talking about Blitz. They're just both really, really bad about expressing their emotions.

Incidentally that's my favorite of the recent episodes and what do you know, it focuses on relationships other than Stolitz. Oh and has actual jokes.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Wait THATS beelzebub? I thought her name was queen bee and she was some fox bee hybrid. (The furry bait made me barley pay attention) now they did the prince of gluttony and excess part right but uhhh...no vivzie I don't care if you're rewriting the hell mythology to create marketable characters you can slap on shirts and buttons to sell to drooling imbeciles, that is not Beelzebub! Beelzebub is a repulsive giant fly man creature associated with all things vile and sickening.

Even Helltaker, the demon anime girl game, has a more faithful depiction of Beezlebub, with her true form actually looking like a demon and not a skinny, furry, Deviantart coombait design like in Helluva Boss.

vivzies said the whole "retaking hell" bs

I don't know what she's said about "retaking hell",
But, y'know...
Let's not pretend Viv's version of hell is anything more than her personal 2000s Deviantart utopia that just so happens to be tinted red.

 

[A Grey Cat]

even more so with the voice of a celebrity, I think she will get the same treatment as Sugalite from SU, she will not appear anymore or she will only appear without speech

I don't know at least back when viv made the kesha wolf music video she was still somewhat relevant. Now? Who gives a fuck about Keshia now? People have moved on to the next flash in the pan pop star, I wouldn't be surprised of much like Richard horowovzitz she becomes a regular va just to be relevant again. (Cause though her fame has dried up she's got money and homes to live comfortably for the rest of her life.)

her personal 2000s Deviantart utopia

Tfw you realize vivziepop is just Chris Chan born female and able to actually turn her crappy high school art projects into an actual studio backed franchise and not...well what ever Chris was doing pre jail saga.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

I don't know, they weren't together but I thought the bit in Seeing Stars when he utterly lost his shit about that ugly deformed dog was an actual reveal. So was when Loona was telling Octavia that just because her dad's a fuckup doesn't mean he doesn't care, she was talking about Blitz. They're just both really, really bad about expressing their emotions.

this is the same episode when Loona viciously beats up Blitz for suggesting she should be more polite with customers, emotionally threatens him to get rid of her if he doesn't like her attitude and when Blitz runs to apologize (for doing nothing wrong) she kicks him in the balls.

Blitz is pretty straightforward in showing love for her bluntly and Loona shows disgust and annoyance 90% of the interactions they have.
Loona is the only one who has a problem with this relationship, Blitz has a problem expressing himself with Moxie and Stolas

 

[Spruce Supremacist]

Wow, reading this thread makes me somewhat glad I at some point forgot about this show's existence and havent seen anything released after the end of season one.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

It's been a while since I posted in this thread. It's funny how so much shit has happened since then, yet at the same time a whole lot of nothing happened. I might bring up that one document later an ex-employee made, but for now I guess I'll talk about the recent episode. Besides the design for Beelzebub being pretty stupid, she also doesn't come off as some higher-up, powerful Demon that would rule an entire ring. I originally thought she was some sort of worker for Beelzebub until I saw the credits. Also, it being revealed that she's openly dating Vortex just opens up a whole can of issues with this story. Including them, and supposedly Asmodeus and Fizzaroli being in a relationship, why is it such a big deal that Stolas and Blitzø are together? The story wants to make you believe that a higher class Demon getting with a lower class Demon is so taboo and forbidden, but this episode just shows that it's really not.

 

[The Fair Lady]

It seems the overall reception of Beelzebub's design is mixed, can't help wondering if Viv will notice and make a defensive tweet about her. I guarantee you that the audience would be none the wiser if they hadn't outright stated she's the embodiment of gluttony, or rather the queen bee, which can also go over people's heads if they're not familiar with demonology at all. Though I guess assuming Viv of all people would make the Lord of the Flies a fat bug instead of a sexy fox/bee hybrid was silly.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Overall I didn't like this episode much. All of the energy and heart was put into the furry fox-bee Beelzebub while a ton of stuff in the background suffered. Animation-wise, many characters were literally static cardboard cutouts:

These three imps, who look interesting and could have fun character movements or something, DO NOT MOVE AT ALL from 0:59 to 1:05 (no blinking, no eye movements, etc). These three may be the most egregious case of non-animated characters I've ever seen in a show that otherwise prides itself on overly-detailed character animations (aka Beelzebub). There are plenty of other scenes in this episode like this but I had to point this out.

Also, forced trans background characters at 12:22:

Left one is a MTF due to the horns -- right one is a pooner also due to the horns (autistic lore, but male imps have thick white bands on their horns while females have thin white bands -- see Millie's supposedly trans sister in S1E5).

Pooner has speaking bit from 8:30 to 8:52 (again, the horn pattern)

9:23 MTF imp is a motionless cardboard cutout in the back AGAIN (shirt looks like some LGBT+ flag):

Besides the background (non)-character criticism, are we supposed to like Loona? She comes across unpredictable and unlikable in this episode (only becoming tolerable when her dad Blitzo shows up to be a wingman of sorts). Best part of the episode was seeing Blitzo being a blitzed (lol) asshole, with some great comic facial animations throughout. Also, Blitzo is really REALLY into horses (his shirt, apartment pictures, and sofa blankets are all horse-themed). Given his "research" in S2E3, Blitzo may be Vaush or something...

 

[AnOminous]

Though I guess assuming Viv of all people would make the Lord of the Flies a fat bug instead of a sexy fox/bee hybrid was silly.

I can live without the incessant desire to throw gratuitous ugly fat fucks into everything every minute.

Also, Blitzo is really REALLY into horses (his shirt, apartment pictures, and sofa blankets are all horse-themed). Given his "research" in S2E3, Blitzo may be Vaush or something...

Don't forget this thing from C.H.E.R.U.B.

 

[Quiet Guy]

Also, forced trans background characters at 12:22:

Left one is a MTF due to the horns -- right one is a pooner also due to the horns (autistic lore, but male imps have thick white bands on their horns while females have thin white bands -- see Millie's supposedly trans sister in S1E5).

It's funny that because of the horns, you can always tell they're transexual. One might think that they might paint their horns or something, but then if you can't tell they're transexual by looking at them, that would defeat their purpose.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

It's funny that because of the horns, you can always tell they're transexual. One might think that they might paint their horns or something, but then if you can't tell they're transexual by looking at them, that would defeat their purpose.

^
Also, this is just another thing that shows that this is just earth colored in red. You think that in hell, there would be a place or something that can magically just transform you to the opposite sex if you want. I don't know...maybe there is, but it's just more expensive or something.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

^
Also, this is just another thing that shows that this is just earth colored in red. You think that in hell, there would be a place or something that can magically just transform you to the opposite sex if you want.

But then they wouldn't be able to shove troon propaganda down our throats.

 

[Cave Fisher]

^
Also, this is just another thing that shows that this is just earth colored in red. You think that in hell, there would be a place or something that can magically just transform you to the opposite sex if you want. I don't know...maybe there is, but it's just more expensive or something.

Now that I think about it, if hellhounds like Loona can use magical human disguises on earth, why can't people down in hell use the same thing to look male or female? You'd think in a place like hell they'd try not to openly advertise that they're trans, but I guess everybody who's against that goes to heaven. (To be fair, the whole "This is hell" thing lost all relevance when it was revealed sinners from earth only hang out in one ring, kinda hard to meaningfully differentiate hell from Earth when it's no longer performing the core function of hell)

 

[The Fair Lady]

It's funny that because of the horns, you can always tell they're transexual. One might think that they might paint their horns or something, but then if you can't tell they're transexual by looking at them, that would defeat their purpose.

But of course, they need the fans squealing over every single trans character squeezed into the show, so they have to make it obvious. Which is ironic because I somehow overlooked the FTM imp's horns at first and my brain automatically registered him as cis, probably because of the voice.

Edit: Knew it.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I can live without the incessant desire to throw gratuitous ugly fat fucks into everything every minute.

Hey at least I cam laugh at that more than whatever the fuck the beefox fan fodder furry bait vivzie shoved in my face voiced by a litteral hazbin.

But of course, they need the fans squealing over every single trans character squeezed into the show, so they have to make it obvious. Which is ironic because I somehow overlooked the FTM imp's horns at first and my brain automatically registered him as cis, probably because of the voice.

But then they wouldn't be able to shove troon propaganda down our throats.

Frankly between this and every other fail this series is descending into. Including getting the entire point of hell backwards by having one ring for sinners and the rest are for the hellborn even of you wanna use you're "I'm having them retake hell and turn it from a place of torture to a place of pleasure." Excuse, I'm starting to think I should just give up on this show. Realizing it's not the diamond in the rough it was promised to be and it's become just another cog in the ministry of truths propaganda machine.



Also..if I may, allow me to share a revelation I've had. Vivian Maduro is an overgrown teenager. She's turning 31 this October, and yet she repeatedly writes and designs her characters and shows like an 18 year old high school senior with 5 composition notebooks full of doodles instead of..well school notes. She doesn't seem to understand how drama or humor work in an adult cartoon...hell I hate hate hate the show tuca and bertie to no end...but even I admit THAT shoes is written by someone in their 30s...that person's Ina n empty egg 30 something whith no direction in life and a ton of emotional baggage, but still a full grown adult at least.


Vivzies writing to me on reflection is like of some relic artist from the bygone days of new grounds and deviant never moved on and somehow got studio backing and funding to make their self insertion wish fulfillment dreams come true...because that's exactly what it is.

 

[Anonitolia]

(shirt looks like some LGBT+ flag)

lmao yeah ikr

 

[A Grey Cat]

lmao yeah ikr
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This contest is over give that man the 10, 000 dollars!. Thanks Anton I needed that I've been feeling like such a bitter old man after the sickly sweet pop vomit that was vivzies cotton candy song. Like for the first time in my life I legit feel like in the words of Danny glover....I am getting too old for this shit!

 

[Dynamite Bean]

The disaster of this show isn't surprising but still disappointing, the pilot and first few episodes were nice and the general concept of a bunch of friends who are also hitmen is such a fun and nice idea and had the show stuck to focusing on that element and the interpersonal relationship between each other and character development it really could of been so much more and a lot better, maybe a clone wars approach of an episode here or there focusing on the world building or interpersonal relationships of the chars but at the core keeping the focus on IMP with their job and each other, instead it's gone into full on romcom fanfiction bullshit and I just don't care anymore

It's the epitome of missed potential and had it been given to an actual good writer that isn't a fujo coomer and instead someone that just wants to make a fun Saturday morning cartoon that's dark comedy and edgy it'd be legendary

 

[SubarashiiRage]

But of course, they need the fans squealing over every single trans character squeezed into the show, so they have to make it obvious. Which is ironic because I somehow overlooked the FTM imp's horns at first and my brain automatically registered him as cis, probably because of the voice.

Edit: Knew it.
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Reasons for Beelzebub's design:
has "bee" in the name
Kesha's fursona reference
furbait sells better than a bug themed demon

Ozzy has elements of historical text descriptions and Lucifer is a male version of Charlie, Mammon has no descriptions, his name is literally "money" so is associated with images of fortune, a clown doesn't really fit, but can work.
But Beelzebub is literally "Lord of the Flies", my biggest problem is the lack of connection and recognizability, unless directly told no one would guess that Bee is Beelzebub.

the concept of each of the sins being a circus act seems creative at first but in Viv's hands it ends up being so limiting, why is Lucifer the king and ruler of hell and the others are celebrities without authority? Do they reign over their rings or do they just have business there? are they only in the same group as Lucifer because he gave them work? how do kings like Paimon fit into this hierarchy?

we don't even know if the Goetias are active rulers and make laws or if it's just Lucifer or if he only has authority with sinners and the rest is for others to reign.

TL;DR: I don't like how Viv doesn't think much about how she designs the show's elements

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

The disaster of this show isn't surprising but still disappointing, the pilot and first few episodes were nice and the general concept of a bunch of friends who are also hitmen is such a fun and nice idea and had the show stuck to focusing on that element and the interpersonal relationship between each other and character development it really could of been so much more and a lot better, maybe a clone wars approach of an episode here or there focusing on the world building or interpersonal relationships of the chars but at the core keeping the focus on IMP with their job and each other, instead it's gone into full on romcom fanfiction bullshit and I just don't care anymore

you're not alone in that opinion, it's slowly but steadily growing in the normie-sphere as well