Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Otis Mallebrok said:
My Russian is really bad, unfortunately.
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It's over.

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Useful_Mistake said:
Okay, can anyone clue me in why Ukraine didn't take advantage of the fact that Wagner cut the army from supply? They could have caused a lot of damage and nobody would ever let Russia live it down
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And do what?

The AFU can't breach the pre-defense lines and got mauled badly. They needed time to refocus and reconsolisdate.
 
prolapsed_cranium said:
And do what?

The AFU can't breach the pre-defense lines and got mauled badly. They needed time to refocus and reconsolisdate.
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AFU attacked soon after the 'coup' ended which means they had an ability to attack. Instead of the results being basically nothing like now, they had a decent chance to do something more. Whether or not they'd succeed is irrelevant. They didn't even try, and fucking waited for the most comfortable defensive moment for Russians to attack

It's just this utter foolishness that frustrates me. For all they knew, this might have caused the 'coup' sides to negotiate longer, Putin might not be as forgiving if something of value was lost/damaged, etc.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
AFU attacked soon after the 'coup' ended which means they had an ability to attack. Instead of the results being basically nothing like now, they had a decent chance to do something more. Whether or not they'd succeed is irrelevant. They didn't even try, and fucking waited for the most comfortable defensive moment for Russians to attack

It's just this utter foolishness that frustrates me. For all they knew, this might have caused the 'coup' sides to negotiate longer, Putin might not be as forgiving if something of value was lost/damaged, etc.
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That's assuming they even had anything in place to exploit the opportunity.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
AFU attacked soon after the 'coup' ended which means they had an ability to attack. Instead of the results being basically nothing like now, they had a decent chance to do something more. Whether or not they'd succeed is irrelevant. They didn't even try, and fucking waited for the most comfortable defensive moment for Russians to attack

It's just this utter foolishness that frustrates me. For all they knew, this might have caused the 'coup' sides to negotiate longer, Putin might not be as forgiving if something of value was lost/damaged, etc.
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It wasn't a coup attempt, it was a mutiny by elements of the army, specifically units that weren't on the front line. Even if the Ukrainian army knew in advance when and where the mutiny was happening there was little they could have done to exploit it. All of the Russian units are still in the trenches just as they were during the abortive assaults during the offensive. The mutiny only lasted about 12 hours or so and most Russians either ignored it or just didn't resist so there was almost zero damage done. Very little actually changed on the ground since it was such a short time frame, had the mutineers and the Russian government got into a protracted struggle for weeks then the Ukrainians could have perhaps done something. Wagner was sitting on a primary line for logistics into the Donestk region after all.

This isn't as bad as the French army mutiny in 1917, even then I think the French troops would have immediately stopped the mutiny and fended off a German assault had the Germans been aware of the mutiny. Troops may get pissed at their command but usually its drilled into them so deeply to fight the enemy that most would immediately halt a mutiny to smite the enemy before returning back to the mutiny.
 
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Quindarius said:
That's assuming they even had anything in place to exploit the opportunity.
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They had troops on the front line. Whether or not it would have succeeded is immaterial to the fact that they didn't even try to probe Russian defenses.

attractive_pneumonia said:
Even if the Ukrainian army knew in advance when and where the mutiny was happening there was little they could have done to exploit it. All of the Russian units are still in the trenches just as they were during the abortive assaults during the offensive. The mutiny only lasted about 12 hours or so and most Russians either ignored it or just didn't resist so there was almost zero damage done. Very little actually changed on the ground since it was such a short time frame, had the mutineers and the Russian government got into a protracted struggle for weeks then the Ukrainians could have perhaps done something. Wagner was sitting on a primary line for logistics into the Donestk region after all.
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You are looking at this retrospectively with the knowledge we have now. Fact is at the time they didn't know the 'coup' would be short, nor the ultimate pointlessness it would bring
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
AFU attacked soon after the 'coup' ended which means they had an ability to attack. Instead of the results being basically nothing like now, they had a decent chance to do something more. Whether or not they'd succeed is irrelevant. They didn't even try, and fucking waited for the most comfortable defensive moment for Russians to attack

It's just this utter foolishness that frustrates me. For all they knew, this might have caused the 'coup' sides to negotiate longer, Putin might not be as forgiving if something of value was lost/damaged, etc.
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Feeding their "brigades" (which are likely a handful of understrength battalions) in piecemeal, as they've been doing for the past three weeks. That's not what I'm referring to.

They don't have the ability to go full Leroy Jenkins (which if this was a real coup) would have fucking shattered the Russians
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
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Actually this is pretty accurate, with the caveat a helicopter may have been downed with two deaths-how and where it happened or if it was deliberate or accidental is not clear right now, but of course the Ukrosimps keep screaming thirty-nine have been killed, with no proof other than a single twatter post by a literal who "OSINT" grifter on the afore-mentioned Twatter.

As their premature ejaculations over a coup and Putin's demise proved, it's best to wait for the dust to settle down for actual proof of what really happened, and how it affects the ongoing conflict.
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They're still touting the 200,000 Russians killed in action number, even when the Pentagon's own leaked numbers only list 25-30k max.
 
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Save the Loli said:
Okay, I got my sources mixed up, what happened was ZMan and his buddies at the IMF decided to legalize the sale of land in the country. This has and will continue to have the effect of driving people off land granted to them in Soviet times and most of Ukraine being controlled by big agribusiness owned by local subsidies of Western corporations.

Apparently it was never actually illegal per se to sell the literal topsoil, but it was often done illegally because of how land is owned in Ukraine. ZMan's IMF deal will make it easier to set up businesses doing just that.

If you search this, there is a "fact check" trying to refute this using the argument that foreigners can't buy land, and while that is true (for now), there are clear ways around it. Here's a website helping you make money from Ukrainian land, globohomo art included.
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Seeing some of the shit in that site its amazing how they put a smiley face to what's essentially mass land speculation, see:

Lithuania’s land market became available for foreigners in 2014 and the land prices increased 12 times since then:​

I bet lithuanians don't see that as a good thing, local farmers are gonna become renters for life as odds are their production will never be able to pay for those land prices.

They also mention the netherlands but forget to mention the only reason why they have such high agricultural production is a combination of high government spending on agritech and the european market giving them protection from third world farmers, literally fishing in a barrel. Without those there would be no farming left in the country, and those land prices would likely collapse as only the land near cities might be worth something for housing development as nobody wants to live out in the sticks.
TheDarknessGrows said:
More proof that Ukraine is entirely helpless and that NATO planners have no ability to act in real-time.
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I think someone with an ounce of reason in NATO pointed out that beyond the stupid rhetoric of breaking up Russia coming from neolib chickenhawks in reality having 6000 nuclear warheads fall in the hands of warlords who are far more likely to use them let alone sell them to whoever has the money is a really terrible idea.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
AFU attacked soon after the 'coup' ended which means they had an ability to attack. Instead of the results being basically nothing like now, they had a decent chance to do something more. Whether or not they'd succeed is irrelevant. They didn't even try, and fucking waited for the most comfortable defensive moment for Russians to attack

It's just this utter foolishness that frustrates me. For all they knew, this might have caused the 'coup' sides to negotiate longer, Putin might not be as forgiving if something of value was lost/damaged, etc.
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I mean, the whole AFU is basically just a Western army. They have to wait for orders from their NATO handlers through the US, so everything is slowed. The whole event lasted just 18 hours and basically Wagner was allowed through without stopping. There's also the idea that Ukies were confused as well, which caused them to stop.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
I mean, the whole AFU is basically just a Western army. They have to wait for orders from their NATO handlers through the US, so everything is slowed. The whole event lasted just 18 hours and basically Wagner was allowed through without stopping. There's also the idea that Ukies were confused as well, which caused them to stop.
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NYT is saying NATO knew about it days before (link) (archive paywall bypass). (ZH story about it)
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So I guess the question is did the glowers just know about or did they have some active part in it?

The only 2 known things are
A) Ukraine (NATO) did have knowledge about about coming chaos days before yet still couldn't do shit to take advantage of it
and B) the US government is so discord troon infested they can not keep even war time intel under wraps.

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