Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

[Secret Asshole]

The sub had several successful ventures before its catastrophic failure, if Stockton had retired earlier and sold his company to someone else he would be considered a successful business-savvy genius and we would all look up to him.

Its not about that, its about over-promising and under building to get capital. Paridoxically, he would have gotten less investors with this buisness model because everyone is obsessed with this stupid bullshit of huge ideas that will be 'disruptive'.

Edit: good article on how the grifting, reckless startup mentality may have played into this.
https://wheresyoured.at/p/broken-things

This is a really good article that explains this mentality. None of this shit that's invested in is designed to do anything but be bought by someone bigger, its literally every start up I've ever heard of. Even with family members who work for start-ups, I've asked them and their response is 'they just want someone to buy them'. It is not about making a product.

 

[AnOminous]

Knowing what we know about Rush, he may have known it was past its safe lifetime and rolled the dice anyway. Or more likely they just didn’t know how to estimate that because they were retards and fired the competent guy.

The abyssal zone is terrifying. It frankly scares me just knowing it even exists, much less contemplating actually going down there. People die there when they take the utmost level of care and do everything correctly. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that anyone would willingly get into that fucking thing without a gun to his head. Even then I might prefer the bullet to dying in the scariest place in the world.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I wonder what remains were found

 

[Betonhaus]

I wonder what remains were found

Imagine making a protein shake with a plucked chicken and your blender craps out halfway. But with bits of clothes, undergarments, and possible a cock ring or Prince Rupert.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Imagine making a protein shake with a plucked chicken and your blender craps out halfway. But with bits of clothes, undergarments, and possible a cock ring or Prince Rupert.

The implosion and resulting pressure would have ignited the air and vaporized them in a microsecond, so it's more akin to emptying an ashtray into the sea and trying to find that Marlboro you smoked.

 

[PixarsTedKennedy]

Maybe they found some bone. That would be my guess.

 

[Betonhaus]

The implosion and resulting pressure would have ignited the air and vaporized them in a microsecond, so it's more akin to emptying an ashtray into the sea and trying to find that Marlboro you smoked.

it would've cooked them, but the moisture would've been kept in until they cooled. same as how things are harder to burn in an instapot.

So imagine making a protein shake with a plucked chicken and your blender craps out halfway and then you throw the whole mess in the instapot before flushing ti down the toilet. But with bits of clothes, undergarments, and possible a cock ring or Prince Rupert.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

Maybe they found some bone. That would be my guess.

The article in the NY Post specifically said that they found what was presumed to be human remains and tests are being done on them by medical professionals. So I'm assuming they found something that might be tissue like a piece of an intestine or some skin possibly. Because the NY Post made it sound like that they weren't just like "Look, a finger!"

 

[RodgerDodger]

I wonder what remains were found

They described it as "Potentially Human Remains". That means that whatever they found was otherwise completely unrecognizable as human remains, or even recognizable parts of human remains. Maybe some teeth.. Otherwise just some organic materials coating parts of the sub.

And this is coming from people that know what bodies look like. That know what body parts look like.

 

[theshep]

A lot of the sub has been recovered.


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I haven't been keeping up much with the status of the vehicle, after the implosion what happened to the launch platform? It should still be intact, I assume. What did they typically do with it after the sub undocked?

It's interesting, in that picture the glass in the port hole is missing. I wonder if there were multiple points of failure. Not only the glass, but also the carbon fibre?

How would it work if the glass popped, what would happen to the fibre or vice versa?

 

[Oxyjen]

It's interesting, in that picture the glass in the port hole is missing. I wonder if there were multiple points of failure. Not only the glass, but also the carbon fibre?

How would it work if the glass popped, what would happen to the fibre or vice versa?

There could be multiple things broken, but as far as I understand it, the implosion represents a lot of energy (many kilos of TNT) so you can expect to see things wrecked that weren’t actually the cause of failure.

 

[Reepicheep]

 

[Procrastinhater]

The sub had several successful ventures before its catastrophic failure, if Stockton had retired earlier and sold his company to someone else he would be considered a successful business-savvy genius and we would all look up to him.

He'd be considered a reckless asshole and probably be looking at charges, and definitely sued into bankruptcy because whoever he sold it to would have presumably kept using it and this would have still happened.
Only difference is he'd still be alive to face the music.
He'd have had to go into hiding.
Don't think anyone looks upto people whose ideas cause well publicized disasters that cost lives.

 

[Oxyjen]

He'd have had to go into hiding.
Don't think anyone looks upto people whose ideas cause well publicized disasters that cost lives.

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when a Musk venture finally kills a bunch of people conclusively.
Some say it’s already happened, for example the Tesla crashes where people couldn’t escape the burning wreck because the door handles are electrically operated. Or the many Autopilot fatalities where it just drives into a parked truck at 70.

It may take something like a fire in that car tunnel in Vegas (where there are no escape routes) or a manned rocket blowing up because of some shortcut, but I guarantee you 90% of his stans will still be making excuses for him.

 

[Procrastinhater]

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when a Musk venture finally kills a bunch of people conclusively.
Some say it’s already happened, for example the Tesla crashes where people couldn’t escape the burning wreck because the door handles are electrically operated. Or the many Autopilot fatalities where it just drives into a parked truck at 70.

It may take something like a fire in that car tunnel in Vegas (where there are no escape routes) or a manned rocket blowing up because of some shortcut, but I guarantee you 90% of his stans will still be making excuses for him.

Musks a slightly different case in that hes at the top of a huge business and as such has a few layers of designers, Engineers, manufacturers etc between him and direct liability, but if it was a situation where it could be proved that Engineers or someone had warned Musk about some dangerous flaw and he completely ignored and fired them for daring to question him then it would get interesting.
Rush didnt have the excuse to fall back on that "*insert x was the responsibility of the project head/Chief Engineer/Head of Manufacturing" he was literally where the buck stopped, everything went through him, Ocean Gate wasn't a huge multinational like Space X or Tesla.
Itd be interesting to see what excuses people gave if something was produced showing, for example, a lead Engineer spoke to Musk in person and warned him those electronic doors were an issue in case of fire, or the self drive system was prone to failure when exposed to a certain radio frequency used by, I don't know, model airplanes or something, and he just told them to shut the fuck up about it.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

carbon fiber has been used in aerospace frames but has tended to be avoided for submersible frames because of the wear brought on by the constant changes in atmospheric pressure. Well, wouldn't carbon-fiber framed aircraft be facing the same risk

Not to anywhere near the same degree. The external pressure differential on an aircraft at FL050 vs at FL350 is negligible, whereas a submarine only has to submerged 100 metres to have multiple atmospheres of pressure added to its hull.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

He'd be considered a reckless asshole and probably be looking at charges, and definitely sued into bankruptcy because whoever he sold it to would have presumably kept using it and this would have still happened.
Only difference is he'd still be alive to face the music.
He'd have had to go into hiding.
Don't think anyone looks upto people whose ideas cause well publicized disasters that cost lives.

If it breaks after he sells it, the company who bought it would be blamed, and his name would barely be mentioned. The company that bought it might also be more afraid of being sued than he is and scrap the sub, and then that will never make the news.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Rush missed out on a way to make a fortune relatively safely by doing something like that.
He could have pitched it that "we didn't put in a porthole because we were concerned about customer safety, but we use 60" 4K screens attached to external cameras for a better view than would be possible through a porthole anyway" and then just built something that goes down a couple of hundred feet and sits there for 8 hours, then used remote operated Deep Sea Drones to get up close and stunning footage to be transmitted to the screens on board.
Everyone would have been safe, the customers would have been none the wiser, and he could have made a fortune.
Won't work now though.
This shit show has likely compromised the entire concept of Deep Sea Tourism for the next hundred years.

Ok, I have another idea:

Everyone sits on a boat on the surface with an imax screen or vr goggles (their choice)
We send a drone armed with an imax camera into the deeps
It livestreams to the guys on the boat via the worlds longest hdmi cable or something
Maybe even let the tourists pilot the drone
You can even let them stretch/walk around/watch a movie/eat/shit/wank etc during the boring parts

Can be applied to other environments, eg, mountains, caves, volcanoes etc

 

[1962s Godzilla]

I'm sure after this event people will totally remember about it and won't keep trying reckless, unsafe shit poorly crafted by private enterprises.
I place my bets the next one could happen in Dubai.

https://www.skydivedubai.ae/

 

[make_it_so]

This is a really good article that explains this mentality. None of this shit that's invested in is designed to do anything but be bought by someone bigger, its literally every start up I've ever heard of. Even with family members who work for start-ups, I've asked them and their response is 'they just want someone to buy them'. It is not about making a product.

There's been a lot of stupid, vile, and self-destructive ideas that have taken hold over American businesses the past few decades, and the Silicon Valley Startup mentality has got to be one of the worst.