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[Midwit]

Yeah, and it was bullshit back then too.

I remember reading about London's commieblock estates being built on the same theory, but that due to the "streets in the sky" having no through traffic due to their designs it was a miserable failure and those estates became crime-ridden slums in record time.

The "guns are le heckin' dishonorable" meme has always given me a laugh.

"In war, there is nothing more honourable than victory."

 

[DavidS877]

The United States is full of nothing but ugly stroads:

You know, I don't actually remember seeing advertising in the medians of any roads in any cities I've been to. That is really horrible.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Supporting ridiculous cargo bikes that are the size of a car

I suppose that could work, if you don't mind smelling like BO for the rest of your shift.

An oblivious self-own

It's not a self own but an example of his privilege. It's very nice to have an entire day off to take the train and back again. But as Jason has stated in a previous video, moderate distance travel is not something people engage in daily.

8.5 ft times two is 17 ft, not 25 ft. The aisle would be shared with four spots, not two.
Also, 675 sq ft is tiny for a 2 bedroom apartment. That's barely 1 bedroom square footage

Charging for parking the same it costs for rent is asine. Using it as an argument to solve the housing crisis is retarded.

Housing space is different than storage space. Otherwise we would not have storage units or this:

It personally reminds me of those gun grabbers that try to claim you're a pussy for using weaponry instead of fighting off people with your bare hands

Learning to fight effectively usually means intense training in martial arts to can cause crippling injury or death.

Effective Martial Arts Program:

Ineffective Martial Arts Program:

Furthermore, the injury rate during training for deadly martial arts are quite high and usually require good physical fitness.

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Additionally, the bare hands argument is about as asanine as the "I have lived X years and never needed a gun" line.

Sure, that good for them but some people have lived their entire lives and never needed to call 911 for the police.

So if it's useless in their minds to have a gun because they have never used it, then it must be doublely useless to call for someone with a gun.

Heck, why not just get rid of police responding to criminal emergencies and we can start an online system to report all crimes.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Liar!

The United States is full of nothing but ugly stroads:
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while France is exclusively made up of quaint walkable areas:
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joke didnt work on me because i know french somewhat. bottom is a ski resort town in colorado so that design makes some sense but looking around they def allow cars in their streets.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

It personally reminds me of those gun grabbers that try to claim you're a pussy for using weaponry instead of fighting off people with your bare hands, as if they unironically believe that Brock Sampson is what real men should act like. It's actually hilarious thinking that people are convinced that being inefficient in the name of doing something entirely physically is what masculinity is about and not some stereotype to deride men for wanting to do things on their own.

I have observed many such interactions and this is the conclusion I came to:

EDIT: If I might add: it almost has the same energy as getting double-dog-dared in elementary school. Not sure how to explain it, but it is what it feels like to me.

 

[Thiletonomics]

On a side note, the first phase of the Honolulu Rail Transit system, opened for business yesterday, and 9,000 people rode on it on the first day.

Those numbers seem very low, given the total population of Oahu.

The name for it, Skyline, also seems very dumb too.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

On a side note, the first phase of the Honolulu Rail Transit system, opened for business yesterday, and 9,000 people rode on it on the first day.

Those numbers seem very low, given the total population of Oahu.

The name for it, Skyline, also seems very dumb too.

Seems they opened late, but usually the "first day free" opening shit is all absolutely packed trains with people interested in it. I'd be interested in how many people actually ride the damn thing over the weekend.

Here's the route map:


I have no knowledge of Hawaii so I can't say if that's a batshit plan or not, but at least it will (eventually) connect the airport and downtown.

What the fuck is a "Kiss and Ride"? Apparently it's a gayass name for "dropoff curb" lol - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kiss_and_ride

The pictures of the park and rides certainly scream "high density" but I'll give them time to build up around it (the best transit is often laid in before development, amusingly enough). https://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dts-me...cles-2/48789-interim-rail-park-and-rides.html

 

[Midwit]

Here's the route map:

Scanning the Wiki article came up with this, which combined with a look on Google maps I can gleam that the line is clearly for new developments, ones so new that they don't have a streetview yet. The second and third stations on the eastern side are clearly made to service the development below, with the current extent of the line ending at the stadium which has a glorious spaghetti interchange on the other side.

Here's a route map with the length and expected opening dates of the various segments, looks to be quite some time for the later stretches of the line.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

I remember reading about London's commieblock estates being built on the same theory, but that due to the "streets in the sky" having no through traffic due to their designs it was a miserable failure and those estates became crime-ridden slums in record time.

It was even more retarded than that.

The major offender in that case was the London County Council, which adamantly refused to implement access control in any of the tower blocks they had built because "we refuse to perform surveillance on our citizens" (despite this being requested by their tenants in the late 1960s), meaning anyone could just walk in, steal stuff/rob people and walk right out again.

Another thing that didn't help was the fact that they had a big list of undesirable tenants (always drunk, just out of prison, junkies, gang members etc.) which they wanted to move out of their existing council accommodation, so every time new flats were built these arseholes were moved in en masse. Obviously this created a crime problem from within.

This problem persisted until the mid-1980s and only got addressed because the tenants of the worst tower blocks formed vigilante groups and started killing rapists and robbers whom they caught in the act.

Around 1985 the GMLC (London municipality) made a lot of changes to their housing system (like putting in the access control that the people wanted, along with a measure where people could save up to buy their flats from the municipality).

I believe by this stage the British attitude towards "surveillance of the citizenry" had done a full 180°.

I vaguely remember that at one stage the LCC obstructed police from going into the council flats' public areas, but I must check this first.

This wasn't just a case of neglect, it was straight out active self-sabotage.

 

[quaawaa]

On a side note, the first phase of the Honolulu Rail Transit system, opened for business yesterday, and 9,000 people rode on it on the first day.

Those numbers seem very low, given the total population of Oahu.

The name for it, Skyline, also seems very dumb too.

The entire rail system was proposed in 2006 at a cost of $2.5 billion. When voters approved it in 2008, the estimated cost had risen to $4 billion and it was estimated to be fully completed in 2019.

Under the city’s 2012 funding agreement with the FTA — a deal that secured $1.55 billion in federal funds for rail — project officials agreed to complete the entire 20-mile project by the end of 2019 and provide service from East Kapolei to Ala Moana Center by Jan. 30, 2020.

Source (Archive)

The projected cost is now over $12 billion and the line is expected to be extended to Civic Center in 2031, which is still two stations short of Ala Moana Center. The completion date for the entire line that they promised would be finished in 2019 is "TBD".

Read the Wiki article for a list of price increases and delays:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(Honolulu)

They've also done some hilariously dumb thing like ordering trains with the wrong size wheels (archive), building the tracks too close together (archive), forgetting to build electrical infrastructure putting the grid at risk (archive), and using poor quality concrete which resulted in cracks (archive).


The train is funded by sales tax, hotel tax, and federal subsidies (diverted from gas tax money). Keep this in mind when urbanists call drivers subsidized.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Charging for parking the same it costs for rent is asine. Using it as an argument to solve the housing crisis is retarded.

Housing space is different than storage space. Otherwise we would not have storage units or this:

It's dumber than that. Commercial space usually is more expensive than residential space in any given area, therefore residences are "subsidized" by not charging commercial rents. Plus, with the same "logic", what's to stop you from charging you for just walking around a high land-value area like downtown? Pay up, wagie.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Charging for parking the same it costs for rent is asine. Using it as an argument to solve the housing crisis is retarded.

Housing space is different than storage space. Otherwise we would not have storage units or this:

This is how they want you to live. In a unventelated tin box. That poor dog. All must be efficient, in the pods at all times.

The projected cost is now over $12 billion and the line is expected to be extended to Civic Center in 2031, which is still two stations short of Ala Moana Center. The completion date for the entire line that they promised would be finished in 2019 is "TBD".

Read the Wiki article for a list of price increases and delays:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(Honolulu)
They've also done some hilariously dumb thing like ordering trains with the wrong size wheels (archive), building the tracks too close together (archive), forgetting to build electrical infrastructure putting the grid at risk (archive), and using poor quality concrete which resulted in cracks (archive).


The train is funded by sales tax, hotel tax, and federal subsidies (diverted from gas tax money). Keep this in mind when urbanists call drivers subsidized.

I can take a guess what happened. Asked for "cost efficient " which turns into cutting corners and making things more expensive overall, along with some pocket stuffing. It's the same shit with military equipment.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I can take a guess what happened. Asked for "cost efficient " which turns into cutting corners and making things more expensive overall, along with some pocket stuffing. It's the same shit with military equipment.

I wonder if they found any "Native Hawaiian spiritual/burial sites"

 

[quaawaa]

I wonder if they found any "Native Hawaiian spiritual/burial sites"

Of course they did:

The Hawaii Supreme Court, ruling in a suit by a Native Hawaiian woman, said the city and state first needed to finish assessments of traditional burial and archaeological sites. In a separate, federal suit filed by opponents of the project, a judge halted land acquisition downtown pending more study of the effects on historic sites.

The stoppage lasted 13 months, adding to costs because of schedules that were disrupted.

Source (Archive)

It's ridiculous because the "holy sites" were already developed. The part that was stopped is located in DOWNTOWN Honolulu.

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

Anyone who has never lived in Hawaii has no idea how fucking annoying these people are. They get free private school, they get gibs, they are allowed to be racist, they get their own housing, they have the Trask cunts yelling at everyone all the time. They are unironically the worst minority in America and it's not close. Most of the people who are the loudest are maybe 5% native in the first place, but being Chinese or Filipino isn't minority enough.

All because someone came and ended their slave economy ruled by sister fucking royals who would kill you for looking at them.

Having said all of that, if that train line can go to Waikiki (lol doesn't even get to the mall yet) it's a route that will skip most of the worst traffic since realistically it will never go to Hawaii Kai because muh transit never goes to neighborhoods like that.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

However pozzed France might be, if you're not in the north of Paris or Marseilles or other jungle areas, it's perfectly car friendly. There are suburbs outside of Paris that have—gasp—big box stores.

The soyim literally cannot process this.

Speaking of France, interesting title for this video. This will probably be the rage for fuckcars reddit and the like for the next few days.

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

Speaking of France, interesting title for this video. This will probably be the rage for fuckcars reddit and the like for the next few days.

Then they are even more retarded than we thought because this is just going to make more people drive. Train prices were often higher than cheap flights, and of course, longer, even if you didn't have to pay extra to take a shit. Now they will of course be even higher because they don't have competition.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Speaking of France, interesting title for this video. This will probably be the rage for fuckcars reddit and the like for the next few days.

Listened to that while vacuuming and thought of our favorite Subreddit. Yes train go fast is efficient. But if train go TOO fast, it's not. Look up JET ENGINE powered trains the soviets and US expiremented with in the 50's. Basically too much time to get up to speed, and high fuel consumption, a running problem

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

All of this reminds me that some of the sweetest milk will probably be found around the subject of electric cars, especially now that there are mass market pickup trucks coming out.

I understand for some of these people, it's about the climate, but it's not though. Just like with nuclear power, when you actually come up with a solution that doesn't create an Ewok village fantasy world, they reject it.

It doesn't help that Autistic African Man produces the most electric cars.

 

[DavidS877]

All of this reminds me that some of the sweetest milk will probably be found around the subject of electric cars, especially now that there are mass market pickup trucks coming out.

I understand for some of these people, it's about the climate, but it's not though. Just like with nuclear power, when you actually come up with a solution that doesn't create an Ewok village fantasy world, they reject it.

It doesn't help that Autistic African Man produces the most electric cars.

All Autistic African Man needed to do was make a pickup that looked like a pickup and hauled like a pickup with long range and he would have handily taken over that market. Well, and actually started shipping them.

As soon as I can replace my F450 with an electric pickup that weighs 3x as much I'll be buying one.