The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

My Two Cents is this, Porn is too profitable to go away for the foreseeable future, on the other hand Coomers are fucking annoying and should fuck off to their containment zones.

 

[End Game]

Yes, this is called "personal responsibility,"

Yes, people should have personal responsibility. Did I contradict that? No. I said at the same time an effort must be made to improve the environment that we grow up and live in, because what's around us does have an effect on our well-being. This is not a radical leftist idea. The disagreement is around the harms of porn and what a reasonable solution is.

Viewing nudie frescoes in Pompeii brothels exploits no one. Actual porneia took place there. Viewing monochrome pornographic nickelodeons exploits no one. All involved are long dead.

From one angle, exploitation happens by using the desperation of men (and women) that can't get a relationship, for profit. It's done without regards to the psychological harm it causes the viewer, nor the negative effects it has on them being suitable for a relationship.

From a different angle, exploitation happens in the industry itself. Many of the women are taken advantage of. We've seen the purges of (potentially) non-consent material that happened in MindGeek because payment processors threatened to cancel their contracts.

As Dear Leader observed, this is the sexual morality present in Hollywood:
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Meanwhile child-friendly corporations market trans mutilations to children.

Then they should be dealt with accordingly. Let them go to hell.

 

[Devout Muslim]

Pornography is inherently insulting to human dignity. Yes, your dignity as the masturbator and yes the model’s dignity but also everybody else’s dignity. It’s disheartening but not really surprising to see so many otherwise-rational kiwis on the wrong side of this. I think the arguments in favour of it have been a bit lame. “It would be hard to ban” and “you’re an addict who can’t generalise beyond your own experience” are just weak attacks on people who oppose it.

I’m not even going to address the first argument, because I think it’s too stupid. The second argument is more interesting. The negative effects of pornography are pernicious so for most people casual exposure isn’t going to lead to a negative opinion (unlike racial steroetypes, opinions about loud motorbikes, etc.). You need major exposure for the effects to be super obvious. That’s why most people opposed have ideological reasons (religion, feminism, etc.) or were personally harmed by pornography. It’s not really surprising and it doesn’t get to whether or not they are correct. If a child rapist came out against child rape I wouldn’t accuse him of being unable to see past his own experience.

When the Catholic Church released Humanae vitae (On human life), the papal encyclical which spoke out against all artificial forms of contraception, it was widely panned. Yet time has proved it true. Forced sterilisation in China, Indonesia, and India. Fines for having children in China and Vietnam. The devastation of the African American people. All these came and went and nobody did a thing - because nobody has any moral standing.

One particularly disgusting aspect of pornography is raceplay. The obvious example is mutt’s law. People who get off on racialised porn (e.g. blacked, bleached) are distorting their own racial identity but also how they interact with anybody else of an involved racial identity. Disgusting, racist, and corrosive.

 

[im5!XxhO]

The war on porn is somewhat puzzling to me in the way that it is able to unify political elements that otherwise really hate each other. Maybe that's the common ground that was needed all along to finally solving the incel question by matching them with radical feminist to wage jihad on porn. A common enemy can overcome a lot.

I will never agree with the premise that it is society job (and by extension the government's) to eradicate every harmful element or behavior. The risk of sliding into totalitarian thinking instantly is way too high and I surely don't want the people in charge in the west to tell me what is an affront to morality and what is not. A full on ban might be justified for stuff that is so addictive, that a reasonable person can not control it. If that is not the case it is your job to not fuck up your life. Porn doesn't come close to be in that category.

From a different angle, exploitation happens in the industry itself. Many of the women are taken advantage of. We've seen the purges of (potentially) non-consent material that happened in MindGeek because payment processors threatened to cancel their contracts.

I doubt the credit card providers actually did an in depth investigation on how much material like that is actually floating around out there. The moment they are implicated in anything like that, it is the smart PR move to abandon ship immediately and enforce strict rules so you will never be caught in that situation.

When the Catholic Church released Humanae vitae (On human life), the papal encyclical which spoke out against all artificial forms of contraception, it was widely panned. Yet time has proved it true. Forced sterilisation in China, Indonesia, and India. Fines for having children in China and Vietnam. The devastation of the African American people. All these came and went and nobody did a thing - because nobody has any moral standing.

I understand the premise and agree somewhat, but at least in the case of China moral standing is not going to save anyone. Moral authority only helps you if you are faced with an adversary that doesn't have the guts to just "gun you down". China has proven time and again, that they have no problem rolling over peaceful protestors with tanks. No amount of moral standing or authority is going to help you against the CCP.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Personally, there is nothing inherently wrong with porn nor with masturbating to it. The claims of porn being "harmful" are highly exaggerated to the point where it's funny and lolcowish.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Why are people so retarded with these things?
- fags will continue to exist
- porn will continue to exist
- you can force them underground but you cannot eradicate them, it would take far too much effort, and cruelty
I think all the above are true and reasonable.
So knowing this, why do we have to normalize and celebrate faggotry or porn consumption?!?
OK you like to take it up the ass, that's absolutely great my nigga, but I will not associate with you, nor hire you. Get fucked to some hippie commune and live your life peacefully there.
OK so you are a dedicated coomer with an outsized arm, a scarred penis and inability to get aroused by actual women and normal sexual practices. That's absolutely great my nigga, but I am not associating with you, I don't want you smelling of stale sperm near me, get fucked to some hippie commune and life your life peacefully there.
We'll leave you alone, hell, we will make it an ethos of leaving you the hell alone. Don't expect integration in majoritarian society though. Do NOT expect us to publish anything positive about your habits. If you are a high IQ scientist, musician, medic, anything valuable, you WILL keep it in the closet, or we will ruin your life and reputation.
See? Easy, compassionate and cozy. Tolerance, Western style.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

There's been said to be a link between porn addiction and "transgender", but porn addiction was a thing before the "transgender" craze of Current Year. I guess that porn may have been changing to try to condition people into going "transgender" since Clown World started. I also guess it's possible that there are guys who were conditioned by some feminism to be ashamed of straight male sexuality and get "cognitive dissonance" enjoying porn, so these days they may "troon out" at least partly to resolve it.

 

[Mothra1988]

Personally, there is nothing inherently wrong with porn nor with masturbating to it. The claims of porn being "harmful" are highly exaggerated to the point where it's funny and lolcowish.

I had an argument here with someone who literally told people in a thread porn is worse than heroin. Keeping porn away from these insane lolcow tourists from /pol/ who obsess over other men's penises will not fix them. They are mentally ill and are mad at the very foundations of a free society.

Pornography is inherently insulting to human dignity.

Retarded feminist autism. Also you can't ban things just because they make you mad, or this forum would be illegal. That's what some of you dumb niggers want though.

One particularly disgusting aspect of pornography is raceplay. The obvious example is mutt’s law. People who get off on racialised porn (e.g. blacked, bleached) are distorting their own racial identity but also how they interact with anybody else of an involved racial identity. Disgusting, racist, and corrosive.

I'm so shocked race realist lolcow /pol/ nonsense gets invoked in this thread as a serious talking point for creating a totalitarian government that determines what adults are allowed to see or not. So shocked. LOL.

Yes, people should have personal responsibility. Did I contradict that? No. I said at the same time an effort must be made to improve the environment that we grow up and live in, because what's around us does have an effect on our well-being. This is not a radical leftist idea. The disagreement is around the harms of porn and what a reasonable solution is.

You couldn't help yourself again from moving from kids "grew up" to adults with "live in." No you don't believe in personal responsibility. It's not the government, society, etc.' job to babysit adults and treat everyone like a retard that can't put on their clothing (something you repeated multiple times).

From a different angle, exploitation happens in the industry itself. Many of the women are taken advantage of.

LOL, again you have no concept of personal repsonsiiblity or even self determinism. Same bullshit as feminist leftards just repackaged for mad incels who with nigger victim mentality. It's not the individual's fault for making a decision, it's all our fault. You're the one who is a child, dude.

 

[Spud]

are distorting their own racial identity

Idk about that, fucking a black chick whilst she call herself your nigger enforces my racial identity... but then again muzzies like young boys so to each their own I guess

 

[Crashman11]

i think that anything to do with sex that is not true honest and wholesome should just fucking die.

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[wtfNeedSignUp]

We can speak on the issue on individual basis and industry basis.
Individual wise, it's very similar to unhealthy food - it's basically taking what we humans once wasted a ton of time looking for and prepackaging and diluting it for maximum profit. And people who get addicted to it have a hard time to stop, but like with the fast food industry it's in the end something the addict needs to do on his own volition. It would be good if we could at least raise the exposure age, but this requires the government to babysit other's children, which if anything will have the opposite effect with all the stories of the USA education system pushing coomerism to children.

Industry wise, it's bad and demeaning but in the end it's easy to say how evil it is but fixing the issue is harder. Prostitution isn't called the world's oldest trade for no reason and the people filming it are just a tiny part of it that's at least somewhat beholden to government regulations. The only hope is AI/robotics replacing the industry, though it probably won't stop sex tourism.

 

[Devout Muslim]

I understand the premise and agree somewhat, but at least in the case of China moral standing is not going to save anyone. Moral authority only helps you if you are faced with an adversary that doesn't have the guts to just "gun you down". China has proven time and again, that they have no problem rolling over peaceful protestors with tanks. No amount of moral standing or authority is going to help you against the CCP.

The USA had a lot of leverage to oppose the one-child policy as China was reliant on it for economic growth at that time. However, because the USA allowed abortion for private citizens within its own nation it couldn’t effectively make the case that China forcing it on its own citizens was a fundamental attack on human dignity. Moral standing isn’t the whole picture but it plays a part.

you can force them underground but you cannot eradicate them, it would take far too much effort, and cruelty
I think all the above are true and reasonable.
So knowing this, why do we have to normalize and celebrate faggotry or porn consumption?!?

You can force them underground just like this website has been forced underground. Social media sites have proven how easy it is to digitally police pornographic content.

Retarded feminist autism. Also you can't ban things just because they make you mad, or this forum would be illegal. That's what some of you dumb niggers want though.

Pornography doesn’t make me mad. My opposition to pornography is purely intellectual. It is a pernicious influence on interpersonal relationships and should be removed from society to the greatest extent possible.

Idk about that, fucking a black chick whilst she call herself your nigger enforces my racial identity... but then again muzzies like young boys so to each their own I guess

Enforces what? Views of white supremacy and black subservience? If you were a consistent white supremacist you wouldn’t fuck a black chick in the first place.

but like with the fast food industry it's in the end something the addict needs to do on his own volition

You can’t banish porn from existence, so personal responsibility will always matter. That doesn’t mean that we need to just accept the profiteering of pornographers, nor an environment which encourages this pornography use.

I'm so shocked race realist lolcow /pol/ nonsense gets invoked in this thread as a serious talking point for creating a totalitarian government that determines what adults are allowed to see or not. So shocked. LOL.

You’re probably dumb if you think that’s what I was talking about. That was one example of the proliferation of interracial raceplay pornography within western culture. These categories are some of the most popular categories of pornography within the united States of America. The use of the term ‘cuck’ as an insult and ensuing debates exposed how many people only knew this term from pornography. Maddox was a funny example. The popularity of utterly degrading content is a fact.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Pornography is inherently insulting to human dignity. Yes, your dignity as the masturbator and yes the model’s dignity but also everybody else’s dignity.

How and why? Just so you know I'm touching my cock as I write this.

“It would be hard to ban” and “you’re an addict who can’t generalise beyond your own experience” are just weak attacks on people who oppose it.

What are you gunning for, just a moral victory? This shit comes off the Internet, it's not like drugs where you can at least somewhat effect the flow. Are you going to actually enforce the laws? Will it be like those digital piracy cases where they drag some poor schlub into court because he was the one in a million who got caught fisting himself to Wario hentai?

I’m not even going to address the first argument, because I think it’s too stupid.

Gay

The second argument is more interesting. The negative effects of pornography are pernicious so for most people casual exposure isn’t going to lead to a negative opinion (unlike racial steroetypes, opinions about loud motorbikes, etc.). You need major exposure for the effects to be super obvious. That’s why most people opposed have ideological reasons (religion, feminism, etc.) or were personally harmed by pornography. It’s not really surprising and it doesn’t get to whether or not they are correct. If a child rapist came out against child rape I wouldn’t accuse him of being unable to see past his own experience.

If the negative effects are so subtle that they're hard to see it sounds like they're not that negative to begin with.

When the Catholic Church released Humanae vitae (On human life), the papal encyclical which spoke out against all artificial forms of contraception, it was widely panned. Yet time has proved it true. Forced sterilisation in China, Indonesia, and India. Fines for having children in China and Vietnam. The devastation of the African American people. All these came and went and nobody did a thing - because nobody has any moral standing.

Thankfully I live in a country where Papists are still a minority, if an uncomfortably large and obnoxious one.

One particularly disgusting aspect of pornography is raceplay. The obvious example is mutt’s law. People who get off on racialised porn (e.g. blacked, bleached) are distorting their own racial identity but also how they interact with anybody else of an involved racial identity. Disgusting, racist, and corrosive.

I'm interesting in hearing more about this. Do you mean something like if you jerk off too much to mandingos you'll start to see all mandingos as sex objects and then won't be able to think normally about them? Is this based on personal experience?

 

[Mothra1988]

You can force them underground just like this website has been forced underground. Social media sites have proven how easy it is to digitally police pornographic content.

This website shouldn't have been forced underground. The fact you want to give the government more power to force more legal content underground is disgusting really. KF getting fucked was not a good thing.

Pornography doesn’t make me mad. My opposition to pornography is purely intellectual. It is a pernicious influence on interpersonal relationships and should be removed from society to the greatest extent possible.

No one thinks you're an intellectual. Further more, porn is not at fault for your inability to have a relationship. I would vote for autism or some other mental disorder in this case. Plenty of people have healthy relationships. Plenty of people are starting families. Porn is not stopping that. This is a phantom in your head.

Enforces what? Views of white supremacy and black subservience? If you were a consistent white supremacist you wouldn’t fuck a black chick in the first place.

>I'm not posting race realist nonsense, but I'm going to sperg out over a race joke anyways

The popularity of utterly degrading content is a fact.

Are you white knighting for porn stars now? LOL!

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You can’t banish porn from existence, so personal responsibility will always matter. That doesn’t mean that we need to just accept the profiteering of pornographers, nor an environment which encourages this pornography use.

Then what are you suggesting should happen? It's like that spongebob meme of "wow what a brave opinion". The porn industry is legal in the USA, trying to ban it is a fool's errand and likely will get you Clinton'd. Having internet providers cut it off is both nearly impossible and will normalize censorship.

And in the end who will it help? Coomers are gonna coom, and porn stars are people who are self destructive anyways and will fall down to homelessness once their looks wears out, and their reliance on drugs catch up with them.

 

[Devout Muslim]

How and why? Just so you know I'm touching my cock as I write this

You’re reducing a person to a sexual object and denying universal human dignity. As the American Civil Rights movement put it “nobody’s free until everybody is free”.

What are you gunning for, just a moral victory? This shit comes off the Internet, it's not like drugs where you can at least somewhat effect the flow. Are you going to actually enforce the laws? Will it be like those digital piracy cases where they drag some poor schlub into court because he was the one in a million who got caught fisting himself to Wario hentai?

I think the crime should be in the production and transmission of the material. Possession should either be legal or a minor offence.

Gay

The internet is no longer the wild west it once was. Content filters and ‘AI tools’ could be used to make pornography extremely difficult for the average person to find.

It’s also not important whether you can prevent all pornography, reducing access to it is an improvement on the status quo.

I'm interesting in hearing more about this. Do you mean something like if you jerk off too much to mandingos you'll start to see all mandingos as sex objects and then won't be able to think normally about them? Is this based on personal experience?

It’s more that you are exposing yourself to racist caricatures.

This website shouldn't have been forced underground. The fact you want to give the government more power to force more legal content underground is disgusting really. KF getting fucked was not a good thing.

Are you intentionally mischaracterising me?

The Government already has that power. Anti-pornography laws are older than the Internet. Nobody is suggesting that free speech should be illegal.

No one thinks you're an intellectual. Further more, porn is not at fault for your inability to have a relationship. I would vote for autism or some other mental disorder in this case. Plenty of people have healthy relationships. Plenty of people are starting families. Porn is not stopping that. This is a phantom in your head.

As I originally stated, all you do is make slanderous claims about the character of anybody who is anti-porn. Why are you so personally invested?

Are you white knighting for porn stars now? LOL!

It’s degrading to the consumer.

Having internet providers cut it off is both nearly impossible and will normalize censorship.

Censorship for political reasons is already normalised. Is the USA still trying to charge Julian Assange with treason? You can’t open a door that doesn’t exist.

Also ISPs already do this for child porn. You could probably make this exact argument about the banning of child pornography but nobody does.

And in the end who will it help? Coomers are gonna coom, and porn stars are people who are self destructive anyways and will fall down to homelessness once their looks wears out, and their reliance on drugs catch up with them.

Banning things makes them less accessible. Legalising weed has made it used significantly more.

 

[Spud]

If you were a consistent white supremacist you wouldn’t fuck a black chick in the first place.

Never ask a racist the colour of his gf

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

We've all seen the effects porn overconsumption has on troons. But that's the thing; it's a knock-on effect from someone who can't control  themselves. Does watching a mountain of porn do weird things to your sex drive? I'm sure it does. I'm sure a lot of the "low sex drive", "asexual" shit in the modern era comes from it. Detox and stop consuming it for a week, see if it fixes the problem.

Of course, this presupposes I'm talking to an adult who can assess risk, accept consequences both subtle and profound, and make his own decisions anyway. The puritanical hatred of porn has always come from people who, surprise surprise, can't fucking control themselves and lack the imagination to think anyone else could.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Censorship for political reasons is already normalised. Is the USA still trying to charge Julian Assange with treason? You can’t open a door that doesn’t exist.

Also ISPs already do this for child porn. You could probably make this exact argument about the banning of child pornography but nobody does.

From Julian Assange to an entire industry is a pretty massive leap and once you allow removal of sites for moral guardians basically everything is under threat if it doesn't comply to what essentially is modern globohomo approved message.

Trying to equalise porn with CP is insane and degrades from the horror of the latter. Druggies destroying their body for money is acceptable since they are at an age where they are expected to live with their decisions. Heck, where do you draw the line between porn actors, twitch thots and YouTube amateur stuntmen?

Banning things makes them less accessible. Legalising weed has made it used significantly more.

Isn't it the exact opposite? The war against weed made it so acceptable you can legally buy it in the majority of USA states? Also access KF from TOR is still massively easier than accessing the internet 20 years ago, which is where most modern coomers started.

As I originally stated, all you do is make slanderous claims about the character of anybody who is anti-porn. Why are you so personally invested?

Tbf, you really fall under the stereotypes of closet coomer. Up to mentioning interracial porn for no reason

 

[LurkTrawl]

I can understand why people would want porn banned.

Giving the government the power it would need to get rid of it is retarded. Which would include as evidenced by the happenings thread about it, universal online I.D. systems.

If you seriously advocate for the banning of pornography online, you're also advocating for the government to work with companies to make it impossible to be anonymous online. Spin whatever sophist horseshit you want, you cannot logically overcome the necessity of such a system to completely eradicate it from the web especially given as it's the policy du jour right now that all the western governments are champing at the bit to put into place.

You’re reducing a person to a sexual object and denying universal human dignity.

Drawn/3d animated porn exists, would you ban that as well? How about fake people made with A.I. imaging?

And what the fuck is "universal human dignity"? This entire fucking website is, among other things, a testament to the fact that dignity is not universal. Some people have no dignity by their own volition.