Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

>british and the welsh
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yeah totally the Anglos and the Celts are the same, not like the celts for the past 400 years have tried and sometimes went to violent means to keep their culture and traditions while the anglos raped and pillaged them (highland clearances come to mind).
Oh shit Celts and Ukrainians are similar, a smaller ethnic group bullied and attempted at genocide by a larger neighbor (Russians/Anglos)
Damn right my friend. And don’t forget the motherfucking Picts.

>Ukrainian rurality - actually trying to make something of the shit you've been given

Can I use this excuse to post a Shurap blacksmithing video? I’ve been watching this guy do hot metal stuff for years, even before the invasion. Here he makes knives from a Russian tank barrel.

 
There's enough difference to distinguish them. Anglos have up to 30% saxon or northern european DNA, with a pretty distinct boundary that forms a line between newcastle and cheltenham. Everything east of it is heavily saxon, while everything west and north is nearly pure pre-saxon britons. Welsh culture is also very different to English. As different as belfast is from cork.
But there are variations even within the culture, what I am trying to say is that there are some countries that have links that predate modern concepts of nationhood and I think the British Isles are a great example of this. I wasn't trying to piss on Scottish chips. People from this region have differences but share overarching traits that unify them in a distinct way, they have more in common with one another than they would with the continentals.

I would have loved if the Celt stood strong against the Anglos, but they didn't, they assimilated.

You talk about the "Russification" of the Ukraine, I say that ship has already sailed.
 
You talk about the "Russification" of the Ukraine, I say that ship has already sailed.
You talk out of place of ignorance, not knowing neither the status of Ukrainian and content produced in it not it's history during the attempts to assimilate Ukrainians.
 
You talk out of place of ignorance, not knowing neither the status of Ukrainian and content produced in it not it's history during the attempts to assimilate Ukrainians.
I know you like to Larp for asspats as a Mr Ukranian Nationalist, but not everything is about you Sweetheart. I pay good money to keep this country afloat, I am entitled to my opinion and it certainly does not come from a place of ignorance.
 
But they will just draft more men.
Will they? The time to do that was last year when they did their half assed 300k or whatever and then did not follow up on that at all. I think if the Russian government could "just declare mobilisation" they would do it. There must be quite extreme reasons that prevent them from doing so to the point they'd rather lose the war than do another round. Perhaps they literally are out of infantry equipment. Perhaps it's a populism thing. If they really wanted to use the situation on the ground to justify it they could have used the big successful Ukrainian offensives last year, the failed winter offensive, or the incursions into Belgorod to justify another round. But they did nothing instead.
I think they might be genuinely afraid the cattle that make up most of the Russian population will rally to some strongman other than Putin to lick his boots and let him take over if they press too hard. Russians seems perfectly happy to support the war so long as they're not supposed to actually fight in it, but the prospect of fighting seems to be extremely unpopular with all but the lowest IQ subhumans or terminally brainwashed old women who know they will not be asked to sacrifice anything.
Perhaps Girkin is right and there is a move towards pushing negotiations among powerful enough courtiers.

That thread is the usual cesspit of kneejerk idiotism and zigger bullshit. Really terrible. Most of A&N is ignorant imbeciles unfortunately, a marked difference to the rest of the site where you can find insightful comments across the boards.

Zelenskyy expressed happiness with the outcome of Vilnius.
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But there are variations even within the culture, what I am trying to say is that there are some countries that have links that predate modern concepts of nationhood and I think the British Isles are a great example of this. I wasn't trying to piss on Scottish chips. People from this region have differences but share overarching traits that unify them in a distinct way, they have more in common with one another than they would with the continentals.

I would have loved if the Celt stood strong against the Anglos, but they didn't, they assimilated.

You talk about the "Russification" of the Ukraine, I say that ship has already sailed.

NATO should not stop until Moscow is rightfully returned to Ukraine you say? I guess I can't say I disagree.
 
Yeah because Anglicization was a walk in the park for the Celts...
This defeats your own freaking point that Ukraine is already Russified and its a lost cause.

Further, this just reinforces my point that the Russian Federation and its enforcers (RF/FSB) would need time to properly convert the populace of captured territories into good little Russian citizens and reroute infrastructure for integration with the Russian Federation.
 
Will they? The time to do that was last year when they did their half assed 300k or whatever and then did not follow up on that at all. I think if the Russian government could "just declare mobilisation" they would do it. There must be quite extreme reasons that prevent them from doing so to the point they'd rather lose the war than do another round. Perhaps they literally are out of infantry equipment. Perhaps it's a populism thing. If they really wanted to use the situation on the ground to justify it they could have used the big successful Ukrainian offensives last year, the failed winter offensive, or the incursions into Belgorod to justify another round. But they did nothing instead.
I think they might be genuinely afraid the cattle that make up most of the Russian population will rally to some strongman other than Putin to lick his boots and let him take over if they press too hard. Russians seems perfectly happy to support the war so long as they're not supposed to actually fight in it, but the prospect of fighting seems to be extremely unpopular with all but the lowest IQ subhumans or terminally brainwashed old women who know they will not be asked to sacrifice anything.
Perhaps Girkin is right and there is a move towards pushing negotiations among powerful enough courtiers.

As I have bloviated before:
Ukraine is not and never has been an existential threat to Russia, even if we pretend they won't use nukes. The only realistic threats Russia faces - both Russia as a national and the current government/power structure - are internal. They could draft four million men mobliks, hop them up on meth and just have them naruto-run at Kiev and probably succeed in taking the capital. But that would be so incredibly unpopular Putin wouldn't survive politically after it.

There is no need to emergency recruit troops because they don't need to go mobilization. Even if we want to pretend Ukraine has developed a super soldier formula at those NATO biowarfare labs, Russia would have time to respond to any incursion by Ukraine if shit started getting real.
 
This defeats your own freaking point that Ukraine is already Russified and its a lost cause.

Further, this just reinforces my point that the Russian Federation and its enforcers (RF/FSB) would need time to properly convert the populace of captured territories into good little Russian citizens and reroute infrastructure for integration with the Russian Federation.
So you're saying that the Irish were not already anglicized by the 1916 rising?
I feel like you are more interested in "gotcha"ing me than reading what I am saying.
 
Will they? The time to do that was last year when they did their half assed 300k or whatever and then did not follow up on that at all. I think if the Russian government could "just declare mobilisation" they would do it. There must be quite extreme reasons that prevent them from doing so to the point they'd rather lose the war than do another round. Perhaps they literally are out of infantry equipment. Perhaps it's a populism thing. If they really wanted to use the situation on the ground to justify it they could have used the big successful Ukrainian offensives last year, the failed winter offensive, or the incursions into Belgorod to justify another round. But they did nothing instead.
I think they might be genuinely afraid the cattle that make up most of the Russian population will rally to some strongman other than Putin to lick his boots and let him take over if they press too hard. Russians seems perfectly happy to support the war so long as they're not supposed to actually fight in it, but the prospect of fighting seems to be extremely unpopular with all but the lowest IQ subhumans or terminally brainwashed old women who know they will not be asked to sacrifice anything.
Perhaps Girkin is right and there is a move towards pushing negotiations among powerful enough courtiers.
The Russians have been slow walking it. It's not like they did one huge mass mobilization. They do a little bit at a time. I think it's every few months they call up more people. I think it might be a combination of things. The biggest one being that Putin worries about a large scale mobilization causing political instability. There is definitely a shortage of equipment for infantry. I have seen the videos of conscripts being told they have to provide everything else and all the Russian army has to provide them with is a uniform and weapon. I don't know if the Russians have started issuing old AK-47's or if they are still supplying conscripts with newer versions like AK-74's. But supply issues definitely play a role. The Russians said they didn't have anymore T-62's or T-55's left and they started pulling them out of storage fixing them up and shipping them to Ukraine. So they probably still have AK-47's sitting around as well. Then ammo comes into the picture. Do they have enough 7.62 ammo left? I would say they probably do. The Russians lie about what they have and don't have.

The Russians could just keep slow walking the mobilization. We are only going to call up another 100,000 men then that's it. A few months later "oh damn we need another 200,000". It's like a mobilization without calling it mobilization. Kind of like they did with the war calling it a SMO. The Russians are just playing the Western word games.
 
I wouldn't say they are running out of people. I think the Russian population is still at 140 million
Not in "country is literally dying out sense", but military specifically, and people willing to be in it, especially competent ones.
Besides, 140m is everyone, not military aged men. The real number of possible recruits is obviously far smaller than that.
 
Some interesting energy news on the energy production side:

Burgerland has reached record oil/gas production:
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And is bringing more LNG export capacity online. If the end of 2024 predictions hold then it would be a >50% increase since the start of the Ukraine conflict:
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Bonus round about how Iraq really wants to increase oil/gas production but is too corrupt and unstable to attract foreign investment and development:
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It's definitely related to Zelensky acting like a petulant child complaining about NATO not letting Ukraine join despite the fact that it's in the goddamned book that NATO cannot admit a country that is at war or has disputed territory. All the asspats must have gone to his head and he thinks that he commands the West. He doesn't get that he is a figurehead and the decisions on what we give him Ukraine have nothing to do with what comes out of his mouth. He speaks, things are shipped over to Ukraine, and he thinks there is a causal link between these two things.
My understanding of the whole thing is that he wants a clear, laid out, in writing process of joining NATO when hostilities cease. It gives him a massive political win and a light at the end of the tunnel.

From what I can tell the process given is as vague as to be expected from an international organization. At the very least he secured an a-okay from Turkey.

The coverage of Zelensky is entirely partisan and has been since day one, if news source is pro Ukraine weapons: Oh, so dreamy, striving for his people to be free, sploosh. Anti Ukraine weapons: The begging, simpering Zelensky REGIME grovels for more WEAK Western weapons. Or some toned down version of either. It's all so tiresome.

I seem to recall genetic studies showing the English and the Welsh are basically the same, the English have a very slight admixture of Gallic and Roman and Germanic that the Welsh do not and that's about it. The genetic makeup of white Br*t*sh is like 99.9% pre-Roman "Briton" whether they're English or Welsh
There's enough difference to distinguish them. Anglos have up to 30% saxon or northern european DNA, with a pretty distinct boundary that forms a line between newcastle and cheltenham. Everything east of it is heavily saxon, while everything west and north is nearly pure pre-saxon britons. Welsh culture is also very different to English. As different as belfast is from cork.

There are significant differences between them, especially in the Y chromosome. TL;DR, the Saxons raped the English so utterly that the Y-Chromosomal differences between Counties in central England are less than the differences between two towns in Wales.

The Welsh being inbreeding sheep fuckers likely maintained this difference.
 
This got me thinking. Odds are pretty good as this war progresses Russia is going to resort to using Chemical weapons. Those soviet stockpiles of ammo are not infinite and I seriously doubt Russian Industry is able to replace what is being expended at speed. I'd say the most likely location for them to do so would be around Avdiivka . Sad truth is Xi told putin "No Nukes", but I don't think he said anything about Mustard or VX. Which begs the question how the West would react to such a thing, and more importantly just how many Chemical rounds Ukraine has squirreled away. They almost certainly have some, and will certainly use them if Russia does. Which is probably why Russia hasn't. So far.
Russia used white phosphorus munitions on civilian targets so sending some gas or virii bought from chinks wouldn't be above very desperate Russians.
 
"ukraine has been russified"
And so?

Australia/Canada/New Zealand/United States have been pretty anglicized, to the point that white people (not all, but many of them having anglo-saxon bloodlines) outnumber the natives, and english is spoken more than any or all of the native languages there put together. We're not even at the point where we argue that UkRAiNiAn aNd RuZZiAn ArE SiMiLaR, australian/canadian/kiwi/american english are literally derivatives of british english.

But if the UK tried to get the king in charge of all affairs of state in Australia or if the UK tried to special military operation Canada next year, I'm pretty sure we'd object to it. And we can even argue that those countries are even closer to the UK than ukraine is to russia. For one, Canada still has the king as its official head of state.

Much as i hate people who blindly compare shit to Hitler, it's not like the areas annexed before 1940 werent ethnically german. Some were even part of germany prior to ww1.
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We went to war over this shit.

idk man, sharing a culture doesnt really justify trying to assume direct control.

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You also have to think how many Russian-speaking Ukrainians stopped identifying with Russia the minute Kalibrs and KAB-500's started landing near their apartments...
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Ukraine
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Hmmm? They were friends in 2011? But what happened in 2014? What horrible Globohomo plot was unleashed to tear apart this brotherly bond? Oh wait...
 
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