Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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Audit said:
Toyota has it right. Hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go. They're much lighter and still allow you to use that electric motor that Tesla simps adore so much. This is where the big infrastructure advantage comes in. You can convert your fleets of shipping vehicles to hydrogen without worrying about the fuel/cargo weight ratio. Even if a fuel cell won't work, hydrogen can be burned in a turbine or modified combustion engine.
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Issue is however that Hydrogen, even at its beginning, was and still is, INCREDIBLY expensive, even moreso than Gasoline, Propane, and Diesel combined. While it's cool that you can retrofit hydrogen into a modified ICE, it still isn't worth that extra hassle JUST to say "look, zero carbon emissions" when people are still gonna drink sodas and exhale to contribute to climate change. To me just trying to change what's already here and the fact that the infrastructure probably won't even get made to accommodate a massive amount of EVs is just not gonna happen and when more troons and troon adjacent fucktards start getting sponsorships like with what Bud Light dealt with, I think people are just gonna completely shut down EVs as a whole.
Frankly I'm of the opinion that an ICE is a perfect mechanical device that will probably never go away similar to a firearm, no matter how hard governments around the world try to ban them, they will fail and only incentivize people to get creative and just stop following the regulations when times get tough.
 
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During the downtime, reviews for the VinFast VF8, the Vietnamese company's first EV, have been absolutely scathing:

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Car and Driver

Motor Trend

Some choice quotes from those reviews include:

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Problems persist the longer you're behind the wheel. The brakes are very uneven, with seemingly nothing happening when you first hit the pedal. Then about halfway down, the brakes grab and the nose dips as the weight shifts forward. Again, it makes for a very uneven driving experience. While the VF 8 City Edition does offer regenerative braking and in theory one-pedal driving, the regen itself was so weak that we constantly used the brakes anyway.

Steering and overall handling are no better. The steering is quick, so small inputs are all you need to change lanes or navigate a winding road. The problem is that it's completely devoid of feel, so you have very little sense of connection to the car. It's fairly easy to park, but the steering saps any sort of enjoyment from the driving experience.

The VF 8 City Edition's suspension tuning feels simultaneously too stiff in a straight line and too soft in a corner. The vehicle's approximate 5,700-pound curb weight is a lot of mass to deal with, but rivals do a much better job of making their EVs feel smaller and lighter than they actually are. Turn in a corner and the VF 8 City Edition exhibits lots of body roll, leaning hard as the car struggles to manage its weight. On tighter roads it can induce a bit of car sickness. This EV feels quick, but we would prefer to drive just about anything else in this class.
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The VF8's styling is textbook "I told AI to design an electric crossover," despite coming from Pininfarina. Aesthetically, the first thing most people notice is that the rear end of the car sits lower than the front, a subtle Carolina Squat that suggests there's a half-pallet of river rocks in the cargo area. Cops will probably pull over perplexed VF8 drivers and demand to know where the contraband is stashed. "How many kilos of booger sugar you got behind those rear trim panels, son?"

And the VinFast driver could invite a look, no pry tools necessary, since you can see right down to the rear fender wells where the outboard seatbelts pass through the lower trim. That's because the hole for the belts is probably three times as big as it needs to be, which is one reason that rough roads make it sound like you're driving inside a tom drum—the body structure is right there, with no insulation. Details like that make you wonder if VinFast realized it was allowed to look at other cars before building its own.
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One important detail about VinFast, is that their first cars that they made, are re-badged versions of the BMW 5-Series and X5, so the VF8 isn't their first attempt at building cars.

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Fifteen years ago, the foundations for my car-reviewing philosophy were laid by my first editor-in-chief, Angus MacKenzie. "It's simple," he told me, "I want all cars to be good, and I'm disappointed when they're not." I apply it to every car I drive, new or old, stock or custom. Many of us in automotive journalism have even taken to saying there are no "bad" cars anymore, as even the least impressive cars on the market are all pretty decent nowadays. That's no longer true. The 2023 VinFast VF8 is nowhere near ready for public consumption, yet it's already being delivered to customers.

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A lot of car reviewing is subjective and based on experience, preference, and understanding of the target customer, but a significant part of it is objective fact. I may not like the way a turn signal sounds, but I expect it to work every time I use it. One of the VF8s at the launch event couldn't do that. Similarly, multiple VF8s (including our test vehicle, which had fewer than 1,300 miles on the odometer) had HVAC systems that would only blow cold air when set below 80 degrees and only blow hot air when set above 80, but never warm or cool air regardless of whether manual or automatic climate was selected. Another VF8 would reset the climate to 80 degrees every time the car was powered off and back on.
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VinFast has a 10 year/125k Bumper-to-bumper warranty, but given the state of reviews of the car, it's doubtful that they'll even last 10 years here in the US, let alone as a company.
 
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Audit said:
What's next? Flying cars? Let's eliminate friction and road infrastructure by perpetually fighting the force of gravity and turning every minor crash into a plummet into the earth. I jest. It's already in the work scamming investors.
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Draper is the same moron who seed funded Theranos.
Audit said:
Toyota has it right. Hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go.
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Yeah, like usual, the Japanese had the right technology bet. The problem is that the Hindenburg happened, and now people are terrified of hydrogen. If not for that explosion, there would be a lot more hydrogen in the world.
Audit said:
Europeans can even get in on the "green" hydrogen fun by using the excess off-shore wind turbines, hydroelectric, and solar power that they so heavily subsidize to produce a chemical fuel that their citizens and industries can use in lieu of Russian gas.
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This is what most greenfags don't understand. You can make a shit load of solar and wind power when those resources are available, but can't be dispatched, so you are much better off using that energy to inefficiently electrolyze hydrogen than to waste it. Getting 20% of that energy back is infinitely better than 0%. There aren't enough batteries available to level that power off, and there is no technical roadmap to make the 100x more batteries that are required (material limitations are already what limits battery manufacturing).

Of course, that isn't really the point of electric cars or "renewable" energy. It's all about control. It's about making sure you don't drive more than 300 miles a day, and making sure that you have enough blackouts to keep people from moonlighting on something that could threaten Bill Gates' cash cows. Elon is a useful idiot here, suckling on the teat of subsidies from people who "know better."
 
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FongJonesDong said:
It's all about control.
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In addition to this, the sheer cost of a new battery
(that is necessary after a few years because its still the same shit technology as in your phone, even if its charged less often and thus lasts 3-4 times as long.)
is currently in the tens of thousands.
That means that every used EV will be totalled as soon as its worth less than that.
Or drive around with a shit-ton of aging lithium under the drivers ass and a fraction of its range (if insurances will let you).

So no more cheap cars in the long run. Everything will be a new-ish 20k+ car or a lease.
This way they can force anyone too poor to afford a 20k car (that will last a few years until also being totalled) into a lease/subscription or public transport.
Thats basically if every ICE car had its engine and transmission explode automatically at 200.000 miles, regardless of maintenance.
And all of that is right now, before we notice that there is not enough lithium to go around for this retardation in the first place and prices for it start to skyrocket.
But hey, they will totally come up with some magical new battery tech that totally will fix all of these issues before any of the negative consequences show up. Just trust the science bro.

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Not that the average Tesla "owner" would notice, considering that i have yet to hear of one who actually bought (and kept) the car for a prolonged period of time instead of just leasing it for 2 years and then switching to a new one like these things are giant smartphones.
 
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FiddleAFox said:
Imagine being a government entity and falling for a dumbass chink scheme that artificially inflates the numbers of EVs.
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imagine believing anything promoted by a south african jew well known for lying about china because he's mad that he doesn't get as much respect from rural chinese sluts for being part-white as he used to
 
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Apparently the Tesla Model Y is currently the best selling vehicle of Q1 2023. (archive)
Seems like the majority of the sales are coming from China. Though impressive that they've sold almost 1 million of that model within a year, I wonder how the grid is gonna handle all these new EVs that take up a LOT more power compared to electric bikes and scooters.
Price cutting like that may also mean a lot of corner cutting has been involved as well. Let's see how the new batteries handle the cold and range as well.
 
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Lotus is joining the SUV and EV craze that other luxury car brands have done, but their new EV SUV, the Eletre, screams it being everything except being a Lotus.

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The 5500 lb gross weight, the generic SUV looks, the fact that it is a Chinese-built EV, as it will be built in their Wuhan factory in China, is an absolute shame to the Lotus name. And the Lotus name doesn't even have the same brand recognition that Porsche, Lamborghini, and Ferrari have, as those brands also stepped into the SUV market, and appear to be successful. The Porsche Cayenne is an absolute cash-cow, and allows the 911 and other of Porsche's sports cars to still exist.
 
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FiddleAFox said:
Seems like the majority of the sales are coming from China. Though impressive that they've sold almost 1 million of that model within a year, I wonder how the grid is gonna handle all these new EVs that take up a LOT more power compared to electric bikes and scooters.
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simple, China has a proper (authoritarian) government that does things like 'planning'
 
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Thiletonomics said:
Lotus is joining the SUV and EV craze that other luxury car brands have done, but their new EV SUV, the Eletre, screams it being everything except being a Lotus.

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The 5500 lb gross weight, the generic SUV looks, the fact that it is a Chinese-built EV, as it will be built in their Wuhan factory in China, is an absolute shame to the Lotus name. And the Lotus name doesn't even have the same brand recognition that Porsche, Lamborghini, and Ferrari have, as those brands also stepped into the SUV market, and appear to be successful. The Porsche Cayenne is an absolute cash-cow, and allows the 911 and other of Porsche's sports cars to still exist.
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Yet another SUV EV that will be quickly forgotten. Lotus should have offered a gas engine version if they want to compete with the SQ5, Cayenne, and Urus.
 
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I'm trying to upload a video of Edison Motor's Carl running, but internet here over tor is poop and I keep getting errors on the mirror. But this electric truck sounds niiiice
 
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Each time I see a Tesla charging, I have the urge to sneak up and unplug it.
I hope they abuse their customers, maybe have a lootbox to unlock seat belts and airbags too. I hope remote repossession becomes a thing too, that would be very funny. Tesla fans will take it up the arse and explain how good it feels and how many exotic Platanista gangetica gangetica their stupid boxes are saving.
 
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Betonhaus said:
I'm trying to upload a video of Edison Motor's Carl running, but internet here over tor is poop and I keep getting errors on the mirror. But this electric truck sounds niiiice
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Yeah I'm not against this, it's like powering the electric motors of every diesel generated locomotive. It sounds pretty lame though, reminds me of my old RC cars which would be cool, if it wasn't for the size of it. It's not until the diesel generator turns on and it sounds way better imo.
 
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