Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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There is no plan. Auto makers chase the money that Tesla made, governments make rules to enforce EVs since they fit the New World Order where you can have assets taken away from you in a click of the button. Sales are no longer mandatory for corporations, just pie in the sky new technologies to attract investors.
They're losing their most vocal supporters, though. Cartuber types have generally been big boosters of EVs, but they're visibly backing away from them now. Example from just today:


Hoovie bought a ford lightning pickup, had nothing but problems with it and pretty much swore off EVs in the aftermath. Now he's talking up regular ICE trucks like they're the best thing ever.
 
They're losing their most vocal supporters, though. Cartuber types have generally been big boosters of EVs, but they're visibly backing away from them now. Example from just today:


Hoovie bought a ford lightning pickup, had nothing but problems with it and pretty much swore off EVs in the aftermath. Now he's talking up regular ICE trucks like they're the best thing ever.
One of the main arguments of the green movements is that "it will get better" which people bought wholesale, but it's been nearly a decade of EV cars and they still suck monumentally, nothing was fixed and the faults far outweigh the positives. With the dawning realization that a 7 year old might as well be a total loss, you need to be insane to call yourself a car person and keep supporting those cars. If any of those cartubers own a repair shop then they probably realized that the movement will ruin their livelihoods since only the manufacturer would be able to repair cars, and their clientele would massively drop since no one can afford the price ranges for a new car and there won't be a second hand car market.
 
They're losing their most vocal supporters, though. Cartuber types have generally been big boosters of EVs, but they're visibly backing away from them now. Example from just today:


Hoovie bought a ford lightning pickup, had nothing but problems with it and pretty much swore off EVs in the aftermath. Now he's talking up regular ICE trucks like they're the best thing ever.
Tyler's takes are usually pretty mild but he hit the nail on the head about Ford's pickup truck priorities. Ford really should have focused on the Maverick production instead of the Lightning's. GM is pretty slow to respond to the gap in the market despite the high demand for regular gas compact trucks. I guess they don't want a repeat of the C10.
 
The BMW EV version of the 7-Series, the i7, not only weighs 6000+ pounds (!), but it has ridiculous touch screens on the passenger door handles for some reason:

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And that's in addition to all the capacitive touch control crap that auto makers love to shove down people's throats:

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It's as if auto makers are trying to challenger each other, to see who can make the most annoying UI/UX experiences with their cars.
 
Ford really should have focused on the Maverick production instead of the Lightning's. GM is pretty slow to respond to the gap in the market despite the high demand for regular gas compact trucks. I guess they don't want a repeat of the C10.
You're telling me there's a market in the North America for front wheel drive not trucks?
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The 04+ Tacoma really hurt the compact truck market NA. The Maverick is going to kill it. Kei truck imports are going to keep it dead.
 
Cameras are a result of Federal roll-over standards. The requirements ended up making A and C pillars in cars so thick you can hide a small bus most new car's blind spots.

But we'll save dozens of lives per year!

There will never be widespread EV usage. Because there isn't the infrastructure to handle mining the rare earth materials at that scale. The entire industry is a grift. Then you have issue of what happens when the car battery degrades like any other battery. Are you gonna pay out the tens of thousands to replace the car battery? Or are you going to sidestep the headache and just buy a whole new car since you don't want want to deal with any other future mechanical/electrical problems that come up due to wear and tear on top of that?

I envision a future EV car graveyard where people have decided the EV battery replacement was simply not worth it. So much for "eco friendly". They are all being taken for a ride.

The future is you not being able to afford a car, and living instead in an apartment in a "walkable" city where homeless niggers shit on the sidewalk. Rich people will have electronic Maseratis that do 185 to their eVTOL landing pads.
 
Tesla’s are ugly, overpriced, retarded in every way and flat-out dangerous. Yes, an IC car can absolutely catch fire and be dangerous but there’s big difference between a gasoline/petroleum fire and the kind of fires caused by EXTREMELY high voltage Tesla batteries and motors. Don’t even get me stared on all the software updates and user security faggotry with the Tesla computers and all that. If I ever get an electric car I’ll go with a Nissan Leaf or whatever crap Chevy has. But I’ll probably just stick to regular gas powered cars cuz I like them and they sound cool at least. Even a shitty Hyundai sounds like something; with a Tesla you may as well be driving a golf cart. It’s too eerie driving with no engine noise.
 
The BMW EV version of the 7-Series, the i7, not only weighs 6000+ pounds (!), but it has ridiculous touch screens on the passenger door handles for some reason:

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And that's in addition to all the capacitive touch control crap that auto makers love to shove down people's throats:

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It's as if auto makers are trying to challenger each other, to see who can make the most annoying UI/UX experiences with their cars.
I had the pleasure of driving one of those i7 at a BMW event and that thing has gobs of torque. That's the only party trick though. The rest of the car feels like a gimmick.

You're telling me there's a market in the North America for front wheel drive not trucks?
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The 04+ Tacoma really hurt the compact truck market NA. The Maverick is going to kill it. Kei truck imports are going to keep it dead.
It would be nice if the Maverick was made in larger quantities to meet demand and not overpriced through dealer markups. Though the Santa Fe exists it's a bit more expensive. That's why I think there's still a gap in the market.
 
It would be nice if the Maverick was made in larger quantities to meet demand and not overpriced through dealer markups. Though the Santa Fe exists it's a bit more expensive. That's why I think there's still a gap in the market.
I think there's a Toyota minitruck coming out? I hope Mazda brings back the B-series. not the nasty Ford clone tho
 
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I think there's a Toyota minitruck coming out? I hope Mazda brings back the B-series. not the nasty Ford clone tho
The Toyota Stout? I'll believe it when I see it on the roads and isn't marked up ridiculous amounts. That would actually be something I would get since I'm not a fan of Ford.
 
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I hope Mazda brings back the B-series. not the nasty Ford clone tho
Considering Mazda is rebadging T6 Rangers, I don't think that's happening.

The few people I know that were interested in the Maverick when it was announced all noped out when they realized it's a front wheel drive crossover that thinks it's a truck.

The reason there are so few in dealer stock is they use lots of Bronco parts. Every Maverick Ford builds is a Bronco they can't.
 
The few people I know that were interested in the Maverick when it was announced all noped out when they realized it's a front wheel drive crossover that thinks it's a truck.
...why? FWD gives you better control in icy conditions, and it's the smallest truck on the market while still conforming to safety and efficiency standards. Something that small and light isn't going to tow a fuckton, and if you're regularly hauling stuff to heavy for the box then you'd normally get abigger truck anyways.
 
Unibody+100,000 miles of gravel roads. There are a lot of irrigated farmers that daily I4/5sp Rangers all summer. Especially the farmers that still have some flood irrigation. They need something to haul a Montezuma box, some fuel, a drive motor or gearbox and if they're having a bad day a irrigator wheel/tire. They also need something that's cheaper to drive around all day than their F350-550. 10 years ago, the local diner in a town with 4 buildings would have 15-20 Rangers in the parking lot every morning. When the supply of decent Rangers dried up, some of them started using Kei trucks.
FWD gives you better control in icy conditions
In cars. When you have a 40/60 weight balance, not so much. I have driven a sprinter and pro master in 6" of snow and ice and while neither was particularly fun, I could actually get some where with the sprinter.
 
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I will never understand this trend of removing intuitive shit that just works and trying to reinvent it with something that didn't need to be reinvented in the first place. There's a gut instinct that I get when I look at a Tesla where I can see it's planned obsolescence right out of the factory.

Like sometimes you'll see a Dodge Monaco or something driving around, but I doubt you can have a Tesla driving around once the servers shut down and the support stops.
It's really gay when they replace the gear shift with a knob or buttons. There's nothing like the feeling of grabbing that metal dick and sliding the vehicle into reverse and drive and feeling the mechanical gears click in your hand, and despite how that reads it's still less gay then a fucking knob or unintuitive button press.
 
I wish we still got Isuzu. All the cheap small vehicle manufacturers got pushed out.
They are linked with General Motors so if they bring shit into the US that's not a commercial truck, sadly it will be rebranded GM. I guess you could buy the smallest Isuzu truck (elf) though. Or just buy an Isuzu engine from them and swap it into car of your choice. You can buy an "industrial" isuzu generator/engine which is basically an 4JB1T, as a matter of fact, it has the same flywheel attachment as the Japanese built Isuzu Troopers/Pickups.

Your best bet on an actual car is unfortunately the lolcow of automakers. Mitsubishi and it's 4N16 Diesel inline four, I think they were trying to bring it into the US againt as of 2018. I know Nissan's Diesel got nerfed to shit due to DPF/DEF additions.
Something I would get since I'm not a fan of Ford.
Is it so hard to ask for an efficent diesel for light pickup duty in moving things (inline 4) that don't fit into enclosed vehicles well? I don't need a GOTTA GO FAST vehicle like most stuff today, I just want to move my odd ass equipment across long stretches of road at maximum MPG.
Currently most auto manufactures are stuck in the malaise of being big enough to be risk-adverse. Despite the Tesla hate, they're still technically a distruptor to the current status quo (albiet in the wrong direction). Fuck, you might as well build a hybrid with a small gas turbine APU/turbocharger (Think Leclerc) and a CVT.
 
Is it so hard to ask for an efficent diesel for light pickup duty in moving things (inline 4) that don't fit into enclosed vehicles well?
GM had a decent MPG pickup with a Diesel in the Canyon/Colorado. Mine gets 28 or so unloaded on the highway. But they don't sell those any more.
 
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GM had a decent MPG pickup with a Diesel in the Canyon/Colorado. Mine gets 28 or so unloaded on the highway. But they don't sell those any more.
I knew a guy who got low 50s on the Ford (Mazda) Ranger inline-4 turbo swapped to the 2011 gen Ranger chasis. Shame they don't make the small ones no more. Yeah it took forever for that piece of shit to hit 70mph but the MPG is 100% worth it if you're driving long country roads.

I think the reason they don't sell them was because they weren't making enough money on them. Damn beancounters.
 
One of the main arguments of the green movements is that "it will get better" which people bought wholesale, but it's been nearly a decade of EV cars and they still suck monumentally, nothing was fixed and the faults far outweigh the positives. With the dawning realization that a 7 year old might as well be a total loss, you need to be insane to call yourself a car person and keep supporting those cars. If any of those cartubers own a repair shop then they probably realized that the movement will ruin their livelihoods since only the manufacturer would be able to repair cars, and their clientele would massively drop since no one can afford the price ranges for a new car and there won't be a second hand car market.
Yep, EVs are extremely difficult to repair beyond basic bodywork and if the battery is damaged you're out tens of thousands of dollars.

The only practical EV to buy is a smaller hatchback (Bolt, ioniq, etc) as a second vehicle as a commuter/runabout
Tyler's takes are usually pretty mild but he hit the nail on the head about Ford's pickup truck priorities. Ford really should have focused on the Maverick production instead of the Lightning's. GM is pretty slow to respond to the gap in the market despite the high demand for regular gas compact trucks. I guess they don't want a repeat of the C10.
The Maverick is in the same platform as the Escape and Bronco sport. Ford actually made it as a compliance/CAFE gaming vehicle and were shocked by how well it sold. Turns out a little truck for $21k that gets high 30s MPG is REALLY popular.
The BMW EV version of the 7-Series, the i7, not only weighs 6000+ pounds (!), but it has ridiculous touch screens on the passenger door handles for some reason:

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And that's in addition to all the capacitive touch control crap that auto makers love to shove down people's throats:

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It's as if auto makers are trying to challenger each other, to see who can make the most annoying UI/UX experiences with their cars.
Ugghhhh so many carmakers are mindlessly following the idiotic Tesla "all screen" UI except... Toyota and oddly enough GM.
You're telling me there's a market in the North America for front wheel drive not trucks?
:story:
The 04+ Tacoma really hurt the compact truck market NA. The Maverick is going to kill it. Kei truck imports are going to keep it dead.
The Maverick is enough truck for 70% of truck buyers in the USA of people were actually honest with themselves.
Considering Mazda is rebadging T6 Rangers, I don't think that's happening.

The few people I know that were interested in the Maverick when it was announced all noped out when they realized it's a front wheel drive crossover that thinks it's a truck.

The reason there are so few in dealer stock is they use lots of Bronco parts. Every Maverick Ford builds is a Bronco they can't.
* Bronco Sport. It, the Maverick and the Escape area all on the same platform.

The Bronco and the Ranger are siblings.

Speaking of, the Ranger, Tacoma and Colorado/Canyon are enough truck for 90% of truck buyers.
Unibody+100,000 miles of gravel roads. There are a lot of irrigated farmers that daily I4/5sp Rangers all summer. Especially the farmers that still have some flood irrigation. They need something to haul a Montezuma box, some fuel, a drive motor or gearbox and if they're having a bad day a irrigator wheel/tire. They also need something that's cheaper to drive around all day than their F350-550. 10 years ago, the local diner in a town with 4 buildings would have 15-20 Rangers in the parking lot every morning. When the supply of decent Rangers dried up, some of them started using Kei trucks.

In cars. When you have a 40/60 weight balance, not so much. I have driven a sprinter and pro master in 6" of snow and ice and while neither was particularly fun, I could actually get some where with the sprinter.
The Maverick has an AWD version. Not a true 4x4 vehicle but it's something.

Toyota, Ford and GM all offer stripped down "midsize " trucks still, with vinyl interiors and bench seats.
 

Luton airport closed down to flights because of a fire in a car park near the terminal. They don't mention it in the story, but I'm pretty sure the car park in question is where a bunch of electric car charging points are located. They're on the second floor, where the fire started.
 
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