Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

And meanwhile, on the other side of things; a Russian BMP is hit by 155mm BONUS round.
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BONUS rounds seem pretty terrifying. They work exactly as advertised in their marketing videos. I wonder what the kill chance is for them given it's just a small steel penetrator. I don't think that info has/will be released.
This entire shitshow is creating so much combat data for every NATO military and contractor.

I do wonder if cheap, decoy UAVs would wear out Russian AA systems and operators and if they would be cost effective.
 
I do wonder if cheap, decoy UAVs would wear out Russian AA systems and operators and if they would be cost effective.
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Source: RUSI Special Report, 19 May 2023
Even 500$ drones are used for reconnaissance and suicide attacks, so I don't know how much room there is for even cheaper drones.
 
BONUS rounds seem pretty terrifying. They work exactly as advertised in their marketing videos. I wonder what the kill chance is for them given it's just a small steel penetrator. I don't think that info has/will be released.
This entire shitshow is creating so much combat data for every NATO military and contractor.

I do wonder if cheap, decoy UAVs would wear out Russian AA systems and operators and if they would be cost effective.
That combat data pretty much killed the smaller Switchblade drones as they're simply too damn expensive for what they do. As exponentially cheaper drones are able to do the same role with a much larger warhead.
 
The difference between twitter and telegram is funny

Hohols and vatniggers are both super gung ho total hohol/Russian death on twitter

On telegram everyone is much more pessimistic about their own side's chances
It's almost like twitter is an absolute garbage fire of a site and should be wiped from existence.
 
Some more excellent Russian arsenal OSINT counting from Youtuber Covert Cabal, thanks largely to the SkyWatch satellite footage he pays for, showing that the artillery losses Russia has suffered are probably closer to the Ukrainian claims of 5,000+ artillery pieces lost, compared to Oryx's visually confirmed 700 losses. Not to mention that many of the artillery pieces in Russia's arsenal are being scrapped, largely for their fresh barrels, as evident in them being left scattered around, instead of their usual neat presentation in rows and columns.
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that if this IS a war of attrition, that is a war Russia will inevitably lose. Russia cannot outproduce the west in terms of vehicles and ammunition. Russia is also not killing off Hohols at a rate necessary to deprive them of Military Aged Males any time soon.

It all paints a bleak picture for Russia going into 2024. Increasingly desperate efforts to hang onto the gains from the 2022 sucker punch. And come 2025, it is all going to collapse. Russia needs to come to terms with Ukraine now while it still has a bargaining position. There is still a chance for the moment they get out of this mess keeping Crimea.
 
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that if this IS a war of attrition, that is a war Russia will inevitably lose. Russia cannot outproduce the west in terms of vehicles and ammunition. Russia is also not killing off Hohols at a rate necessary to deprive them of Military Aged Males any time soon.
Commentators have been calling it a war of attrition for a while. And I agree with what you're saying about (not) killing soldiers. One of the benefits of western equipment is survivability; soldiers have walked out of blasted Bradley in much better shape than they would a Soviet IFV. This is key because the West can replace equipment but not Ukrainian lives (and we're not sending our own soldiers). There are still many more Bradleys to spare.

Survivability also good for morale and recruitment. It is getting harder to draft military aged males in Ukraine because those who wanted to sign up have, and many of the rest would rather keep their regular lives than go suffer and risk death. So it helps if soldiers don't have to be replaced, and those that are recruited have a lower chance of dying.

And yes Russia's equipment, supplies, and industrial capacity are dwindling, while the west is ramping up production. I forget if this was already posted, but here's a story of a factory in Scranton, one of many, that has gone from 8-hour production to 24-hour (3-shift), mostly to supply Ukraine:

Russia needs to come to terms with Ukraine now while it still has a bargaining position. There is still a chance for the moment they get out of this mess keeping Crimea.
No terms are going to be come to right now. Ukraine is not going to give up Crimea without a significant fight, that is, unless it becomes clear it cannot be retaken militarily. Also, Ukraine won't trust any deal Russia offers; it will be seen as a way for Russia to buy time for the next attack. So I don't see any hope for a negotiated settlement for a long time. Most likely, fighting will slow down in a year or so, and the conflict will be frozen at some borders, and perhaps a cease fire will be worked out that concedes no territory but stops the shooting, temporarily. Or Putin dies, and his successor puts an end to this absurd and senseless war.
 
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Wait, Russia can real time decrypt Ukrainian communication?

Has anyone here deeper knowledge on the stuff used? Because I'm pretty sure every internet capable device could decrypt stuff, field equipment would chew on for years.

Real-time decryption of 256-bit encryption is not trivial. Assuming this isn't BS, then either the Ukes' equipment is using some defective encryption algorithm with known exploits, the Russians have access to their encryption keys (perhaps they were captured and aren't being cycled frequently enough, or a spy or bribed insider is passing them along), or Russia really does have 7-dimensional quantum-entagled decryption hardware regularly posted along the front. I'll leave it to you all to decide which of these outcomes is most likely.
 
Wait, Russia can real time decrypt Ukrainian communication?

Has anyone here deeper knowledge on the stuff used? Because I'm pretty sure every internet capable device could decrypt stuff, field equipment would chew on for years.
I'm pretty sure the equipment used by Ukraine uses aes-256 encryption, which is not breakable in any useful amount of time (certainly not in real time) with currently available hardware and software. It's either a lie, or there's more to the story. Possibly the ukies are all reusing a known key, or maybe they're not encrypting their comms at all, despite having the capability. Or perhaps Russia has managed to obtain the keys somehow, which would imply a severe security breach within the uaf.

Bah. Cougared.
 
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that if this IS a war of attrition, that is a war Russia will inevitably lose. Russia cannot outproduce the west in terms of vehicles and ammunition. Russia is also not killing off Hohols at a rate necessary to deprive them of Military Aged Males any time soon.

It all paints a bleak picture for Russia going into 2024. Increasingly desperate efforts to hang onto the gains from the 2022 sucker punch. And come 2025, it is all going to collapse. Russia needs to come to terms with Ukraine now while it still has a bargaining position. There is still a chance for the moment they get out of this mess keeping Crimea.

Russia is not trying to win via KTD ratio, or by production. The attrition they are hoping to outlast is the Eurocuck's attention spans and tolerances for disruption.

Also don't underestimate Russia's ability to start cranking out soviet-level equipment. They have large deposits of coal and iron ore, as well as nickel and zinc - everything you need for steel. What they lack is the ability to get optics, but they could be making replacement barrels and mechanical spare parts instead of pulling them from the boneyards.

As for why Russia hasn't been leveraging their soviet production, remember: Russia is under no threat from Ukraine and never has been. The absolute worst case for them is they lose Crimea and Donbabwe - territories they never really had and if they do lose them, will allow them to scream for the next century about unfair NATO imperialist opression.
There is no reason to go full war economy.
There may also be a bit of 'crazy like a fox' going on; those boneyards are from the USSR. Much of that equipment, even if properly maintained, won't be of any use in a future peer or near-peer engagement. Might as well get your use out of it now.

Remember post-Kharkiv when there was a huge shift in territory controlled, Russia's response was to cram the front with underequipped, untrained, and often unarmed mobliks.

No terms are going to be come to right now. Ukraine is not going to give up Crimea without a significant fight, that is, unless it becomes clear it cannot be retaken militarily. Also, Ukraine won't trust any deal Russia offers; it will be seen as a way for Russia to buy time for the next attack. So I don't see any hope for a negotiated settlement for a long time. Most likely, fighting will slow down in a year or so, and the conflict will be frozen at some borders, and perhaps a cease fire will be worked out that concedes no territory but stops the shooting, temporarily. Or Putin dies, and his successor puts an end to this absurd and senseless war.
A sane solution would be Russian withdraw from Donbabwe, and effectively leasing Crimea - tying the lease to such things as water rights and ensuring russians get special treatment.

But we'll never see that while Putin draws breath.


Wait, Russia can real time decrypt Ukrainian communication?

Has anyone here deeper knowledge on the stuff used? Because I'm pretty sure every internet capable device could decrypt stuff, field equipment would chew on for years.
Real-time decryption of 256-bit encryption is not trivial. Assuming this isn't BS, then either the Ukes' equipment is using some defective encryption algorithm with known exploits, the Russians have access to their encryption keys (perhaps they were captured and aren't being cycled frequently enough, or a spy or bribed insider is passing them along), or Russia really does have 7-dimensional quantum-entagled decryption hardware regularly posted along the front. I'll leave it to you all to decide which of these outcomes is most likely.
I'm pretty sure the equipment used by Ukraine uses aes-256 encryption, which is not breakable in any useful amount of time (certainly not in real time) with currently available hardware and software. It's either a lie, or there's more to the story. Possibly the ukies are all reusing a known key, or maybe they're not encrypting their comms at all, despite having the capability. Or perhaps Russia has managed to obtain the keys somehow, which would imply a severe security breach within the uaf.

I'm going to tl;dr here:
It is very unlikely that Ukraine is using military grade aes-256 on its expendable drones. they are probably using Alibaba specials that promise "256 bit encryption" but have simple and reused keys. These are the same radios that russia is using having been embargo'd.
It is also possible these off-the-shelf radios are being used for squad-level coms.

Especially if you know the keys, its not too hard to decrypt - the question I'd have is the real-time. This is like DEFCON wardriving where they sniff wifi packets and get your Wifi password - if they sit on a channel long enough they are going to start finding similar data. Military AES is supposed to cycle the keys regularly to prevent this, but a lot of OTS radios use either a static key or a small pool. Its still 256-bit encrypted but its much easier to crack.
 
Taiwan has agreed to transfer the bulk of its Air Defense Grid to Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...aunchers-could-transform-ukraines-air-defense

The unstated caveat to this is Taiwan is most likely also going to provide the ammo too, along with real time replacement production.

More importantly, the HAWK system is interoperable with the Norwegian and Swedish air defense systems.

This is some next level meta shit, historical accidents and the weirdness of history. Taiwan can provide the launchers and ammo. Sweden and Norway can provide the fire control and the radars. And Taiwan has a metric ass ton of HAWK ammo. It was meant to stand off the Chinese Air Force after all. I wonder what the US promised the Island Chinks in exchange for this, but we are talking seriously bad news for Russias ability to try and take air superiority here.
 
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Also don't underestimate Russia's ability to start cranking out soviet-level equipment. They have large deposits of coal and iron ore, as well as nickel and zinc - everything you need for steel. What they lack is the ability to get optics, but they could be making replacement barrels and mechanical spare parts instead of pulling them from the boneyards.
I think a lot of people are overlooking the human/labor element; or rather a lack thereof. The Russia of 2023 doesn't have the workforce to even maintain production, much less increase it, and it's only getting worse as hundreds of thousands of their able-bodied men (and semi-able) are being turned into Ukrainian fertilizer; or sent home in pieces & pose as a net drain on their communities.

Russia back in the 40's was still in the process of industrializing, and even after the famines & purges still had masses of peasants & dirt-farmers who could be put to work. Now all they have are vast industrial complexes s lowly crumbling from neglect & disuse, the workforce who built it to begin with are dying off, anyone smart/wealthy enough to take over & rebuild have either skedaddled, and those who weren't, well.....
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It won't happen immediately when the war ends, but the death-spiral of the Russian Federation has definitely started.
 
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he attrition they are hoping to outlast is the Eurocuck's attention spans and tolerances for disruption.
Sadly, I think the Russians made a critical error if this is the case. It seems obvious to this westerner, but given how hard we demonized Hitler, it shouldn't be surprising that Europe learned that capitulation is dumb. Obama sold out Crimea, but given that Russia didn't stop there, it's obviously not going to stop at Donbass and Luhansk. Plus we don't have to sacrifice American/UK/EU lives, there is not going to be an end to the patience.

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Taiwan has agreed to transfer the bulk of its Air Defense Grid to Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...aunchers-could-transform-ukraines-air-defense

The unstated caveat to this is Taiwan is most likely also going to provide the ammo too, along with real time replacement production.

More importantly, the HAWK system is interoperable with the Norwegian and Swedish air defense systems.

This is some next level meta shit, historical accidents and the weirdness of history. Taiwan can provide the launchers and ammo. Sweden and Norway can provide the fire control and the radars. And Taiwan has a metric ass ton of HAWK ammo. It was meant to stand off the Chinese Air Force after all. I wonder what the US promised the Island Chinks in exchange for this, but we are talking seriously bad news for Russias ability to try and take air superiority here.

HAWK was decommed last month from Taiwan's arsenal, so it probably wasn't a hard sell. The US sold the missiles to Taiwan, and Taiwan is selling them back and getting credit on the latest round of arms transfer agreement.

tl;dr: Hawk system originates from the 60s but has gotten round after round of modernization. Its not 1:1 but compares to the S-300. The systems are shorter ranged than the S-300, but more mobile and faster to deploy; to give an example, the Marine Corps was the last US operator and the replacement was Stingers. It was conceived to move with an armored collumn, so this might make Russian attack helos have to work. And sort of like the S-300 can interoperate with S-400, modern Hawk launchers can be integrated into NASAMS or Patriot batteries.
 
I'm going to tl;dr here:
It is very unlikely that Ukraine is using military grade aes-256 on its expendable drones. they are probably using Alibaba specials that promise "256 bit encryption" but have simple and reused keys. These are the same radios that russia is using having been embargo'd.
It is also possible these off-the-shelf radios are being used for squad-level coms.

The original post said the encryption was in "Motorola 256-bit encrypted tactical communications systems," which I took to mean something more akin to walkie-talkies than drones. If they're Motorola branded they're probably something a little bit better than Alibaba junk, but yeah, if they were intended for the consumer market, there's a good chance they're using reused keys or keys from a limited pool. That said, a quick search shows that Motorola does make stuff they claim to be military-grade, so who knows. Russia lying or counter-intelling about having this stuff cracked could be a possibility too.
 
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