Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Kreitani said:
Hohols liberated a smartphone from a dead vatnigger.The shit they found made my sides go to the orbit.
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One of my friends bought a cellphone that was off a dead vatnigger, it was an older nokia and it just had texts of him apologizing to his girlfriend or maybe even mother. The last text he ever sent was "I am calm because i know that everything will be fine". I would post the photos here but I don't know how traceable they are, maybe i'll do edited pics later
 
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Bradley hit by something (reported as T-72); the round had either been fired at range & was largely spent, bounced/ricochet, or otherwise failed to detonate. Not even a mission-kill

Edit: This may have been an ATGM that didn't explode, since so far we've seen them punch straight through full-grown trees; so Bradley armor wouldn't pose much of a barrier. And if it was fired at max range, the propellant would've been largely been expended, which would account for no scorching.

Of course, it could've been just a plain dud T-72 main gun round, and was probably manufactured over 40 years ago.

And meanwhile, on the other side of things; a Russian BMP is hit by 155mm BONUS round.
 
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You guys know what time it is?
IT'S THE WEEKEND
That means we get some Glenn Greenwald propaganda, but wait, this time is with Michael Tracey, who is double the sperg Glenn is, and recently made the anon frogs angry cause he asked how come they do not support Azov as it has the same values. Here you can see the former host of the former "What's Left" podcast, a totally legitimate left wing pod in the Chapo Trap House vein, Aimee Terese, explaining how fren poasting and urinated on pantsu are universal values of the dissidents, and how Tracey is not cozy-poasting at all, not comfy, nuh-uh.
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But, the video.
Oh boy the video is great. Michael (and Glenn) are now blaming the belligerent, bellicose East European states who have now taken "spiritual leadership" (allegedly, I'd wish lol) over NATO for the "escalation" in the conflict. Glenn thinks there might be some "historical reasons" for that, but he sounds very uncertain if that is a legitimate concern against the very minor, completely nonthreatening Russian expansion and annexation of nearby lands.
They also blame the Western states like France for (allegedly) giving leadership to Poland and East EU, because they feel so guilty about the past.
"Did you know that German tanks are at the Russian border for the 3rd time in like 100-something years? Have you thought of their feelings? Check mate, American Nazi supremacist!"
These two speak over each other a few times, none willing to give up time, and angrily fight about who gets to espouse more pro-vatnik data in the limited time of the pod.
Overall, great stuff, and a lot of erotic, homosexual tension IMO.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
Bradley hit by something (reported as T-72); the round had either been fired at range & was largely spent, bounced/ricochet, or otherwise failed to detonate. Not even a mission-kill

Edit: This may have been an ATGM that didn't explode, since so far we've seen them punch straight through full-grown trees; so Bradley armor wouldn't pose much of a barrier. And if it was fired at max range, the propellant would've been largely been expended, which would account for no scorching.
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Of course, it could've been just a plain dud T-72 main gun round, and was probably manufactured over 40 years ago.

And meanwhile, on the other side of things; a Russian BMP is hit by 155mm BONUS round.
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That's interesting, if true.
I definitely know one of the Bradley kills in ODS was by the 73mm gun on a BMP-1, that'd be nuts if one survived a T-72 125mm...
 
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Kyrylo Budanov interview:
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KYIV, July 14 - He wears a pistol to interviews with foreign journalists and discusses wartime intelligence. Weapons and military gear are strewn on the floor of his Kyiv office. He says he has "sources" close to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For an intelligence chief running Ukraine's spy operations during war with Russia, Kyrylo Budanov, 37, has built up an unusually public profile that he has used to get his message out and to menace Russia from afar. These days, a spy boss cannot stay in the shadows, he says.

"It's not possible without this, not anymore," the head of Ukraine's Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) told Reuters in an interview at his heavily defended headquarters in the capital.
"And all the next wars are going to look like this. In any country in the world. We can say that we're setting a trend here."

Ukraine drew conclusions about the need to get its message across since 2014, when Moscow took the world by surprise to seize Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and unleash a proxy war in the east, he says.

"We completely lost the information war in 2014. And the war, which began in (2022) - we started here in a completely different way. And now the Russians are losing the information battle."

Since a mercenary mutiny in Russia last month made Moscow's ruling system appear more opaque and unstable, Budanov has used the opportunity to weigh in about what Ukraine's spies know about their enemy. In parts of his interview reported by Reuters earlier this week, he said the mutinying Russian mercenaries had headed for a nuclear base in pursuit of a backpack-sized atomic weapon. Several Russian sources that spoke to Reuters confirmed parts of that account.

Budanov also cited an intercepted survey conducted by the Russian Interior Ministry that he said showed mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin had support inside Russia. He provided no evidence, but noted that he accurately predicted Russia would invade before the full-scale war broke out last year.

"Who turned out to be right? Us."
"We have our own sources. In the closest offices (to Putin), so to say. This is why we usually know what's going on."

Enigmatic and intense, Budanov sat behind his desk in military fatigues under a painting of an owl - the symbol of his agency - sinking its talons into a bat, the emblem of Russia's military intelligence directorate. The blinds of his office were drawn with sandbags in the windows.

Appointed in August 2020, Budanov has seen his popularity and public profile surge inside Ukraine during the war, where he is portrayed as a behind-the-scenes mastermind of efforts to strike back at Russia. In Russian media he is a hate figure. The Kremlin decried as "monstrous" a remark he made in May that "we will keep killing Russians anywhere on the face of this world until the complete victory of Ukraine".

Russia has blamed Ukrainian secret services for the murders of a pro-war Russian blogger and a pro-war journalist. Kyiv denies involvement. Russian media reported that a court in Moscow had arrested Budanov in absentia in April on terrorism charges. The prospect of a spy agency sending assassins to hunt down Ukraine's enemies has drawn comparisons with Israel's Mossad. Budanov doesn't resist the analogy.
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"If you're asking about Mossad as being famous (for) ... eliminating enemies of their state, then we were doing it and we will be doing it. We don't need to create anything because it already exists."
Budanov began his military career as a special forces operative and served in the east after Russia illegally annexed Crimea and its proxies took over Ukraine's eastern fringes. He was wounded three times. Since he took charge of the spy service there have been numerous failed attempts on his life, including a botched car bombing in which the assailant was blown up.

"The only thing I can say is that they haven't stopped attempting it, but I will repeat – it's all in vain," he said.

In late May a Russian air strike hit his headquarters on Kyiv's Rybalskyi Peninsula, sparking Russian media reports that he had been gravely wounded. Budanov played down its significance.

"That wasn't their first attempt. But, as you can see, once again, we're here in the main quarters of this building. When you were outside, you could see people walking, and working. Everything is working as it should."
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That guy has been fascinating since he started the job; it's too bad I probably won't be alive when things get declassified (if ever), and books are written detailing those operations.
Fanatical Pragmatist said:
That's interesting, if true.
I definitely know one of the Bradley kills in ODS was by the 73mm gun on a BMP-1, that'd be nuts if one survived a T-72 125mm...
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If it was an 125mm HEAT or standard HE that failed to detonate (for whatever reason), especially if fired at maximum range, I can see how it'd just knock a hole through the side like that. I've ruled out an ATGM because no missile wreckage was found or mentioned, and I'm pretty sure the Ukrainians would take the opportunity to bag on Russian missiles again, and it definitely wasn't APDSFS. So my guess is it was a defective HEAT/HE round, or one which deflected off something & damaged the fuse. They lost the to-hit throw, but still managed to roll a natural 20 for the save (although possibly with modifiers for Russian stupidity and engineering).
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
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I'd buy that for a dollar!

Improvised HE RPG
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That diorama model is really cool. I remember seeing videos of people painting tanks to look like wrecks. They would drill holes in them and make them look really realistic. Covered in dirt and rust. Most people do tanks and they look like they just rolled out of factory. But really talented people do burned out wrecks.
Kreitani said:
Hohols liberated a smartphone from a dead vatnigger.The shit they found made my sides go to the orbit.
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I like how there is a raccoon with it's tail covered in the colors of the Russian flag. Russians do know that's mostly a North American animal right? They were imported to Europe by the Germans.
Pocket Dragoon said:
Bradley hit by something (reported as T-72); the round had either been fired at range & was largely spent, bounced/ricochet, or otherwise failed to detonate. Not even a mission-kill

Edit: This may have been an ATGM that didn't explode, since so far we've seen them punch straight through full-grown trees; so Bradley armor wouldn't pose much of a barrier. And if it was fired at max range, the propellant would've been largely been expended, which would account for no scorching.
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Of course, it could've been just a plain dud T-72 main gun round, and was probably manufactured over 40 years ago.

And meanwhile, on the other side of things; a Russian BMP is hit by 155mm BONUS round.
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The Bradley has a hole in it and it stall manages to crawl forward.
 
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Deal with armor piecing munitions including HEAT and APDS is they still need to hit something flammable or explosive to really destroy an AFV. That placement at worse would've thoroughly fucked anyone in that compartment if the Bradley hadn't offloaded the passengers earlier. Looking interior pictures of M2 Bradley, either that one was an IFV without the extra TOW missiles stowed or that crew been blessed by a higher power cause the travel pass of that shot should've hit the TOW missile stowage is.
 
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Deal with armor piecing munitions including HEAT and APDS is they still need to hit something flammable or explosive to really destroy an AFV.
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The crew & electronics are pretty flammable, along with their gear & any small-arms ammo stowed inside. It obviously penetrated enough that any detonation would've exposed the crew to some pretty nasty sunburns & hot Russian razorblade whirligigs; so cooking & dicing them up would certainly cause a mission-kill.

Although we don't see if it exited/bounced somewhere & exploded outside, or if there was anything left of the round itself in the hull. I'm still looking for where it happened & who it belonged to specifically.
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That placement at worse would've thoroughly fucked anyone in that compartment if the Bradley hadn't offloaded the passengers earlier. Looking interior pictures of M2 Bradley, either that one was an IFV without the extra TOW missiles stowed or that crew been blessed by a higher power cause the travel pass of that shot should've hit the TOW missile stowage is.
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And you're absolutely right, any TOW reloads present would've not reacted well to such abuse. But this particular Bradley evidently discharged it's squad prior to being hit, and may have already been on the move when it did, judging from the oblique & torn-looking entrance; like the round hit the APC at a very oblique angle (which can account for a HEAT round not detonating).

Edit: I've read some comments in the scout-cav communities from guys who allegedly trained Ukrainians, that they only keep the two war-shots in the launcher & no reloads internal.
Or rather, reloads are kept at/brought to forward staging areas close to their AO; after dropping off their troops & firing any missiles, they run back, grab more ammo for the infantry, drop off any wounded, and restock the launchers if needed. They'll also stage a small truck somewhere with a squad w/ TOW & infantry ATGM reloads so the Bradley's don't have to run all the way back to wherever they started.

They do so because they don't want to risk secondary detonations, don't have Uncle Sam's Unlimited Ammo Cheat (at least not yet), and by habit are a lot less trigger-happy with the TOW. One discussion about Ukrainians in training at Grafenwoher, Poland, and Ft. Knox (iirc) related that they tried to take out everything with their Bushmaster first, while reserving their missiles for tanks or bunkers (until ordered); with several instructors talking about really trying to break the Ukrainian habit of sticking to guns & being shy about using TOW... although at least their mounted infanty certainly have shown no compunctions about calling on St. Javelin and her friends.

A lot of it probably has to do with a limited supply, and not keeping reloads internally is a pretty good idea with every Russian rotary-wing, drone, and artillery piece looking for them, but it also sounds like old habits from slavic doctrine & leadership methods are still evident. Although from the sound of it, Ukrainians have been very quick to pick up on squad/platoon tactics, some senior commanders either missed that training or didn't get the memo about using Bradleys properly.
 
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Ukrainian Air Force is cock teasing


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That is a Mig with a full anti-aircraft load of R 27 and R 73 AA missiles. NATO designation "Archer-11'. Could just be propaganda. Or they are starting to take the attack helicopter threat seriously and are going to commit their irreplaceable toys to front line duty.

Also let's take a moment to appreciate the fact that a year and a half into this Ukraine still has an Air Force.
 
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Uranus Pink said:
@Snekposter
Given the German U-boat fleet during both WWI and WWII tried they're hardest to sink as many transport ships as they could. That "wastage" margin came in handy, and still shit got pile up waiting to be loaded and eventually unloaded when they arrived.
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I wasn't even talking about U-boats. I was talking about the fact they expected about 30% of everything that actually arrived in theater to either not exist except on the manifest or be damaged during transit. Which is smart considering US soldiers have always been known for being light-fingered when it comes to anything that makes their jobs easier or lives less miserable. For example, during the Civil War the official load of ammo for a Union soldier was 60 pre-wrapped paper cartridges in his Army-issue cartridge box. In reality they tended to carry around 80, the other 20 showing up in various pockets and pouches.
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Deal with armor piecing munitions including HEAT and APDS is they still need to hit something flammable or explosive to really destroy an AFV. That placement at worse would've thoroughly fucked anyone in that compartment if the Bradley hadn't offloaded the passengers earlier. Looking interior pictures of M2 Bradley, either that one was an IFV without the extra TOW missiles stowed or that crew been blessed by a higher power cause the travel pass of that shot should've hit the TOW missile stowage is.
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Or they had already fired off their missiles and there was nothing to detonate.
mindlessobserver said:
Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

I feel like I have said this already.
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How... I... I... none of that follows.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
I didn't realize the Western states have introduced "keeping Ukraine afloat" tax.

By that logic, I also pay good money to keep Ukraine afloat and your ass whenever you're on the dole, considering I pay taxes too. That's what "we live in the society" means.

Dumbass.
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Your LARP is getting way less convincing. Maybe you're running out of steam.
 
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Uranus Pink said:
"Light-fingered" would be a massive understatement for a military force that would "borrowed" anything it could either walk off with by hand. And onward to using cutting torchs and lifting cranes to cart off "borrowed" items during WWII.
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I was running on fumes when I posted and the Lord of War scene doesn't quite fit since there weren't guided missiles or helicopter gunships for infantrymen to make off with. Now there are and the helicopters are kept well away from the ordinary footsloggers for good reasons.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fir...loodying-russia-in-key-fight-2023-7?r=US&IR=T
https://archive.ph/RVadW

A fired general's pleas from the front lines reveal Ukraine is bloodying Russian forces in a critical fight​

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So about those shell shortages in Ukraine... What really caught my eye was the disparity in losses: for every tube Ukraine loses, Russia loses four. That's just not sustainable for Russia considering how ineffective each of their individual guns are.
 
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