Amateur Linux Hour

[General Emílio Médici]

So has anybody tried gaming? there is a red number ticking down in my steam and no way that i will get windows 10 or 11.

I use EndevourOS and most Steam stuff runs out of the download by simply telling Steam to go into compatibility mode. I have only had a few issues with it on some games, normally due to either real old games (which even Windows would have presented issues, like for example Call of Cthulu) or really new games (like Atomic Heart)

Atomic Heart actually put me on a path to figure out a great way to ensure gaming works on Linux with Bottles. To make a long story short Bottles is sorta like WINE 2 Electric Bogaloo. You can use it by simply installing the windows version of Steam on a Bottles instance, and having that steam instance download, install and launch the games. It's a little annoying because you have to swap your Steam, closing your native to open the Windows one, but the advantages are worth it.

On my PC (i7 with a Radeon RX 5700x) Linux one Atomic Heart ran at about 30 fps with low settings. On bottles I got it to medium high with butter smooth 60fps. It just did a much better job with the whole "pretending to be windows" thing.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Yeah I'm sure the trannies will be gone by then.

41% of them will be.

I've gotten tired of Poettering's broken sound system, so I found this new Linux distribution that's supposed to be free of SystemD. Does anyone know anything about it?

 

[WhiteNight]

I've gotten tired of Poettering's broken sound system, so I found this new Linux distribution that's supposed to be free of SystemD. Does anyone know anything about it?

Better than that, it's even free of Linux!

 

[RACISM]

PulseAudio sorts outputs by driver and not device, which is annoying because I use one monitor for speakers and when the other monitor is connected (as it doesn't turn on with the system) it resets the audio output device.

If you install pavucontrol, it will let you select which audio output per program, and remember those changes. I have normal video games set to play through my studio monitors, but when I use emulators I pipe the sound for those through the TV speakers, for added muh realism (even though the sound isn't as good through those speakers, sue me). I do enjoy being able to have tunes coming through the speakers and to turn the game up or down with the TV remote. Feels more like an actual console.

 

[Susanna]

https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/reviews-of-all-linux-distros-that-matter/

On the other hand, I doubt novice users would have an easy time with his choice Artix.

Anyone who would recommend a distro without systemd to newbies needs to just shut up. You don't have to like systemd, but it is the standard and any distro without it is going to have random compatibility issues because most devs assume you're using systemd because almost everybody actually is. That's ignoring how just about any how to guide is going to assume you're using systemd, because it genuinely is the easiest way to configure services/daemons and timers/cron with. Artix could be the greatest distro in the world, but without systemd it's just not a newbie-friendly distro.

I wouldn't recommend Manjaro either, but that's because of their inane "hold Arch back two weeks" policy. Arch itself, despite being rolling release, actually is reasonably stable and newbie friendly. It was my first Linux, and I got started with it as a mac user with very limited computer knowledge. But part of what makes Arch so functional is the big, active community. Any problem you have, another user has had before and either discussed on the forum or written a wiki page about. But Manjaro always waits two weeks before copying Arch's repo, for no good reason, and this makes it just a matter of time before an update breaks your AUR installs, which as a newbie you probably don't even know you have any because Manjaro includes the (unverified) user repo in searches automatically. This same package installer also had a habit of DDOSing Arch's servers, which Manjaro devs did absolutely nothing about for a very long time.

My first choice for a newbie distro would be Debian or Fedora. They're reliable.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

If I can give any advice to anyone, though I've only been on Linux for like three years at this point: Your best practices determine how stable an install is. Don't do dumb things in the command line (or even GUI for that matter), and follow instructions when building things from source, if you're even going to try that out.

 

[Betonhaus]

I fired up my backup laptop and forgot it was still running Zorin OS. It's actually a pretty seamless experience compared to KDE. There's somethings it has hidden that KDE made easily accessible, but I might try putting it on my desktop and see how it runs. I have an old ssd I'll throw in as a third drive and format it as ext4 for steam games and see how well that works.

 

[Betonhaus]

...Zorin OS is actually a lot more solid then i thought, now that I'm running it on a more powerful computer. A lot of work was put into making it a seamless experience, and there's a lot of native tools for running windows apps and games. there's some glitches and I haven't figured out which onedrive method to use (as it's cheaper then dropbox), but overall the experince is little worse then Windows native Played an assignment on pressure washer simulator and it runs good, sims 4 seems like it will work fine but it needs to procvess the vulcan shaders before it runs (I suspect i'll have to rerun the process when i try to install mods)

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

After years of using Linux, the biggest take away I tell anyone when using a distro is PLEASE stay away from any distro which requires apt as a package manager. If it fails, you could end up with a bricked system.

Pacman is love, is life

 

[DavidS877]

After years of using Linux, the biggest take away I tell anyone when using a distro is PLEASE stay away from any distro which requires apt as a package manager. If it fails, you could end up with a bricked system.

Pacman is love, is life

If 'apt' is too difficult, may I suggest an iPad, or one of those colorful Amazon Tablets for Kids.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

If 'apt' is too difficult, may I suggest an iPad, or one of those colorful Amazon Tablets for Kids.

It’s not too difficult, in the event that an update for linux-headers (or kernel update) fails you will end up sitting there wiping out your old cache, pulling in deleted system files, etc.

Reason being is that apt will often commit changes to the system, deleting core files without first copying over new ones, or making any useable backups. So what happens is if it fails, you might try to access something, it can break the shell, and then your dead in the water until you rework everything. It’s fake and gay, one of the worst package managers to date

My reason? I’ve been using linux for over a decade, never had any other package manager fuck everything up so badly

 

[Betonhaus]

It’s not too difficult, in the event that an update for linux-headers (or kernel update) fails you will end up sitting there wiping out your old cache, pulling in deleted system files, etc.

Reason being is that apt will often commit changes to the system, deleting core files without first copying over new ones, or making any useable backups. So what happens is if it fails, you might try to access something, it can break the shell, and then your dead in the water until you rework everything. It’s fake and gay, one of the worst package managers to date

My reason? I’ve been using linux for over a decade, never had any other package manager fuck everything up so badly

if it bothers you that much, you can bitch directly to the core apt developers and make a case for retrieving all needed files before replacing.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

if it bothers you that much, you can bitch directly to the core apt developers and make a case for retrieving all needed files before replacing.

I have; several times over the years, they would rather work on other things than touch the spaghetti

Nothing changes, just if you want to host anything important, I would recommend not using a distro which uses apt. That’s all I said originally, and that’s all I do to avoid bricking a server half across the world or on my own personal shit.

 

[Betonhaus]

I have; several times over the years, they would rather work on other things than touch the spaghetti

Nothing changes, just if you want to host anything important, I would recommend not using a distro which uses apt. That’s all I said originally, and that’s all I do to avoid bricking a server half across the world or on my own personal shit.

It does seem concerning if there are large segments of the code they aren't willing to touch. I can't imagine it being too difficult to build a check or rollback feature into it.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

It does seem concerning if there are large segments of the code they aren't willing to touch. I can't imagine it being too difficult to build a check or rollback feature into it.

I used to be in a similar boat, but now I just assume that it’s likely they won’t touch/fix. You are right, it seems not too difficult. It’s kind of crazy how not just them, but so many in the devs in the greater community just end up huffing their own farts to the point where I, or anybody else who are just trying to help (in little ways) to improve the experience just get stonewalled.

I’ve stopped doing PRs, now I just pull source code for whatever I need to modify, make the changes, upload it to my fork and go about my life. I’m really thankful for all that devs do, but I’m not going to voluntarily sour my opinion of the community by interacting with them.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

There a good guide on how to make your own Linux distro?

 

[404 User Not Found]

There a good guide on how to make your own Linux distro?

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Alrighty.

 

[Betonhaus]

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

It's a fun project, andshows you how each part of the Linux system functions. It's probably worth trying at least once to get an understanding of the Linux components.

If I remember correctly it's difficult to follow in Ubuntu because chroot is weird there.

I'm finding Zorin OS to actually be very user-friendly and capable. The interface is largely seamless, and it seems to be ready to be the Linux distro to point to when people want to switch away from Windows but don't want to be the ones doing deep level maintenance. There's some nice to haves I'm missing that are probably in Zorin Pro so I might pay for it after a month or so. I have like four ways to run Windows apps and games installed tho (steam, Lutrin, Zorin's Windows app package, and VirtualBox) though aside from games and OneDrive I'm not sure what Windows apps I'll need.

 

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if it bothers you that much, you can bitch directly to the core apt developers and make a case for retrieving all needed files before replacing.

They won't be making that change, because @FailurePersonifiedV2 would appear to be retarded.

Apt doesn't remove old kernels unless you run autoremove. This is not something that happens automatically on any distribution. You have to wilfully be this retarded.

I assume he's so dumb that he keeps installing kernel images until he runs out of space on a boot partition, then removes all the old kernels, but doesn't rerun 'apt-get install; to install the latest kernel. There is no technical solution to that level of retardation. It's not like it's hard to fix either, literally all you would need to do is start in recovery mode, chroot to the broken install, and run 'apt install'.