Amateur Linux Hour

[guiltyspark85]

Probably will use RHEL because if i ever get serious about learning linux that's what companies here use

You may want to check out the book Linux Bible by Christopher Negus. I've been reading it to learn Linux sysadmin stuff. Seems to be very server focused and RHEL/Fedora first. More experienced Linux users here might have better suggestions for books or other resources for learning Linux.

 

[std::string]

You may want to check out the book Linux Bible by Christopher Negus. I've been reading it to learn Linux sysadmin stuff. Seems to be very server focused and RHEL/Fedora first. More experienced Linux users here might have better suggestions for books or other resources for learning Linux.

There's also the RHCE study guides.

Actually some dude released VMWare images that are pretty similar to the old RCHE exam. It doesn't boot. You have 90 minutes. Go.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

Every package manager will brick your system if it suddenly can't write to disk while performing an update. Apt-get isn't special here.

Ran into a write error for one file, and can’t rollback to older files for the other successful writes like most installers do? I have seen it run into writing to one file, failing, and then continuing to write to as many as it can. That’s not good.

Of course if it lost total write access to a drive that’s totally understandable. However not having the right checks in place for when one file in a package isn’t written is untenable.

 

[std::string]

Ran into a write error for one file, and can’t rollback to older files for the other successful writes like most installers do? I have seen it run into writing to one file, failing, and then continuing to write to as many as it can. That’s not good.

I don't think any package manager is that fault tolerant. I'll test it out though since I'm bored.

 

[Susanna]

I don't think any package manager is that fault tolerant. I'll test it out though since I'm bored.

Nix is, by design.

 

[Betonhaus]

Nix is, by design.

But does it avoid the 90/10 problem of a significantly slower process to resolve a very low probability problem?

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

I don't think any package manager is that fault tolerant. I'll test it out though since I'm bored.

I know that others, like pacman has a process to revert to a previous set. As well as I think dnf does, can’t say about other package managers as I’ve only really experienced this with apt on mostly Ubuntu machines.

It’s pretty difficult for sure, but I know it has been done.

 

[Betonhaus]

do any of you have htpcs setup for streaming, and how do you do it? So fr I'm looking at using Sonarr to find and sort the videos and such, qbittorent to download, and jellyfin to play. Sonarr seems to not support fedora based distros but can be installed by snap, though that isn't officially supported by the devs. Unless I find an alt, that alone may make me use Ubuntu for the server instead which would be a shame
...everything has it's own web-based GUI so i feel like i need to set up a webpage that lists them all.

 

[DavidS877]

do any of you have htpcs setup for streaming, and how do you do it? So fr I'm looking at using Sonarr to find and sort the videos and such, qbittorent to download, and jellyfin to play. Sonarr seems to not support fedora based distros but can be installed by snap, though that isn't officially supported by the devs. Unless I find an alt, that alone may make me use Ubuntu for the server instead which would be a shame
...everything has it's own web-based GUI so i feel like i need to set up a webpage that lists them all.

I use a super simple system:
I use trakt(.tv) to select shows.
I use a flexget script to monitor trakt and find the shows on trackers and send them to a Transmission instance on my seedbox.
Additional content I grab torrent files by hand and copy to the Transmission watch directory on the seedbox.
I use a second flexget script to monitor Transmission and download completed files and clean up torrents that have been seeded 'enough'
I watch them all with Kodi.

Fine, it's not simple at all.

 

[Betonhaus]

I use a super simple system:
I use trakt(.tv) to select shows.
I use a flexget script to monitor trakt and find the shows on trackers and send them to a Transmission instance on my seedbox.
Additional content I grab torrent files by hand and copy to the Transmission watch directory on the seedbox.
I use a second flexget script to monitor Transmission and download completed files and clean up torrents that have been seeded 'enough'
I watch them all with Kodi.

Fine, it's not simple at all.

To be fair it's simpler software.
After futzing with Ubuntu I'll probably just use snap to install Sonarr in redhat. I think I understand the system well enough to install redhat without a gui, but old like to use something a little more sophisticated then mv when I copy all existing data back and forth between the drives. sonarr looks like it will be very user friendly, and it properly sorts and adds metadata for jellyfin.

https://sonarr.tv/#home

 

[RACISM]

Reason being is that apt will often commit changes to the system, deleting core files without first copying over new ones, or making any useable backups. So what happens is if it fails, you might try to access something, it can break the shell, and then your dead in the water until you rework everything. It’s fake and gay, one of the worst package managers to date

My reason? I’ve been using linux for over a decade, never had any other package manager fuck everything up so badly

I've used Linux off and on for almost twenty years. My first distro was the (now defunct) Mandrake Linux in 2004. That was RPM based. Last time I ever did that. Apart from some distro hopping now and then (and even then, never RPM based systems) I've been using only Debian derivatives for the entire time. Never has what you described happened to me. I have fucked apt up, but it has always been my fault (stuff like trying to mix and match repos to get older software to work or retarded shit like that). If apt ever fucks up, you fucked up. Also it is 99% of the time recoverable.

Apt doesn't remove old kernels unless you run autoremove. This is not something that happens automatically on any distribution. You have to wilfully be this retarded.

Exactly.

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm reasonably sure that rpm used to be really, really shitty until yum was made to drastically improve it.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

I've used Linux off and on for almost twenty years. My first distro was the (now defunct) Mandrake Linux in 2004. That was RPM based. Last time I ever did that. Apart from some distro hopping now and then (and even then, never RPM based systems) I've been using only Debian derivatives for the entire time. Never has what you described happened to me. I have fucked apt up, but it has always been my fault (stuff like trying to mix and match repos to get older software to work or retarded shit like that). If apt ever fucks up, you fucked up. Also it is 99% of the time recoverable.

Exactly.

Oh I absolutely concur with the whole, mixing and matching bullshit. Apt is not the issue in those instances, especially if you are actively not using it in a safe manner.

Though I still don’t know, and it doesn’t dissuade me from what I’m saying as I know it’s something that has plagued me, and I know others, even though what you describe is your own experience, and I believe you. I’m impressed that you’ve been using it that long and managed to never have it fuck up.

I stay away from doing anything unusual, I don’t fuck around with package versions 99% of the time. if I need to run some older version of some autistic package I just spin up a docker container and handle it that way.

I don’t get this weird absolutisms when it comes to software, anyone who writes software knows it’s only as good as the talent who wrote it. I’m not bashing the Apt team, they have a high bar to reach. Though I will point out, because I know I’m not a noob, yet the damn thing on occasion just says “fuck it” and then it’s a few hours to rebuild everything.
It wouldn’t bother me as much if it didn’t effect my business when it happens.

 

[guiltyspark85]

After futzing with Ubuntu I'll probably just use snap to install Sonarr in redhat.

The "RHEL way" of doing installing Sonarr would to be to use Podman and install a Sonarr Docker image.

 

[Betonhaus]

The "RHEL way" of doing installing Sonarr would to be to use Podman and install a Sonarr Docker image.

I'm just going to follow a guide that uses a maintained repository. I'm not familiar with docker and how well it allows API access to other systems.

 

[Cowboy Kim]

I can now vouch for Nobara as another insanely good beginner distro.
I have a desktop that was on Windows 7, and decided to try out Linux gaming, since I heard it had gotten super good lately and hate the antichristWindows 10/11. While I could've setup the things it does by default, I was mostly focused on trying out Proton/WINE and didn't want to bother.
To my surprise, the damn thing is surprisingly easy, with the only games I had difficulties with out-of-the-box being ones that used patching software (unofficial translations.) Everything else worked flawlessly with no real configuration/terminal fuckery (although I feel like Bottles is a better graphical Windows loader than the pre-installed Lutris.)
If you just want to play the Vidya Gaem and don't care to learn the arcane art of Ganoo+Loonix configuration, Nobara seems to be the best option.

 

[Jotch]

Ubuntu pretty good i think. Been using it for 2 years now after I got sick of windows.
Out of the box is a bunch of bloatand vorporate stuff, granted. But they have made is super easy to remove all of it with minimal use of terminal.
Besides, 'apt cow' makes the terminal worth learning.

 

[Betonhaus]

I can now vouch for Nobara as another insanely good beginner distro.
I have a desktop that was on Windows 7, and decided to try out Linux gaming, since I heard it had gotten super good lately and hate the antichristWindows 10/11. While I could've setup the things it does by default, I was mostly focused on trying out Proton/WINE and didn't want to bother.
To my surprise, the damn thing is surprisingly easy, with the only games I had difficulties with out-of-the-box being ones that used patching software (unofficial translations.) Everything else worked flawlessly with no real configuration/terminal fuckery (although I feel like Bottles is a better graphical Windows loader than the pre-installed Lutris.)
If you just want to play the Vidya Gaem and don't care to learn the arcane art of Ganoo+Loonix configuration, Nobara seems to be the best option.

Nobara looks interesting, I might run it in a VM to see what it's like. I'll likely commit to Zorin OS but if Nobara is good I'll keep in mind for suggestions. I wonder why they chose no-bara as their name though.

 

[Betonhaus]

I can now vouch for Nobara as another insanely good beginner distro.
I have a desktop that was on Windows 7, and decided to try out Linux gaming, since I heard it had gotten super good lately and hate the antichristWindows 10/11. While I could've setup the things it does by default, I was mostly focused on trying out Proton/WINE and didn't want to bother.
To my surprise, the damn thing is surprisingly easy, with the only games I had difficulties with out-of-the-box being ones that used patching software (unofficial translations.) Everything else worked flawlessly with no real configuration/terminal fuckery (although I feel like Bottles is a better graphical Windows loader than the pre-installed Lutris.)
If you just want to play the Vidya Gaem and don't care to learn the arcane art of Ganoo+Loonix configuration, Nobara seems to be the best option.

Playing with Nobara a little in a VM, it does look like it'll be a good beginner distro. I'll stick with Zorin OS for now as Nobara seems a little rough around the edges, but I don't see any issue with vouching for it. it definitely does not have the same fit and polish as Zorin, but if you want or need a Fedora-based OS I'd definitely reccommend it.

 

[std::string]

Playing with Nobara a little in a VM, it does look like it'll be a good beginner distro. I'll stick with Zorin OS for now as Nobara seems a little rough around the edges, but I don't see any issue with vouching for it. it definitely does not have the same fit and polish as Zorin, but if you want or need a Fedora-based OS I'd definitely reccommend it.

One of the bad things about Zorin is that its software base is pretty old now.