US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Scale Smerch]

Hypothetically, once the first governor or senator goes splat on live TV, things are going to start accelerating a lot more and in a direction that nobody should want to go. I know all the muh civil war shit is played out, but grains of sand make a heap. The "line" exists somewhere, and they seem determined to find and cross it.

It's why IMO for all the memeing of civil war 2: electric boogaloo and pendulum swings that there remains value in still discussing them. There is always a line: the conditions to reach it and to cross it are unknown, but it exists and someone will eventually step across it.

The problem is that every line crossing we use as evidence is from the past where we can trace its causes and outcomes. Some may have similarities with the present, but they still cannot serve as reliable predictors for when things will happen. Probably a part of living in such a fast moving world that we expect such seismic political shifts to happen literally overnight when in reality they can take decades if not centuries. Hell took ~80 years from independence for the first Civil War to kick off, just over ~70 before the embryonic socialist revolts of the 1850s followed up with the Russian Revolution.

TL;DR how events today factor into what's coming will only be properly figured out by historians long after we're dead.

 

[Meat Target]

I'm sure the last 7 years of almost nonstop constant articles about how Drumpf is a fascist that will kill all minorities are just coincidences then

Libs are more afraid of you than you are of them. Look at their total lack of Theory of Mind, how they break down in histrionic rantings ehen they discover an opinion other than their own.

 

[Absolutego]

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Extremely politically calculated timing. Right after the Republican primary will be settled.

 

[ShitLurker]

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Right in the middle of campaigning I guess?

 

[Omen_Sulk]

that's if you assume he doesn't want to get caught. someone with a personal grudge, like dead wife due to corona bullshit, who wants to go out with a bang? much harder to prevent. and there are a lot more guys than glowies and law-enforcement.

I'm a little confused by your scenario. A man who doesnt't care for being honeypotted or captued. Acts out anyway, despite the fact that now he would be typically be tracked, and that tracking would ensure his early neutralization?

 

[Gar For Archer]

I'm concerned about the efforts to prevent Trump from running because I'm afraid that if they succeed, it will actually be the tipping point for the lone wolfs to start going off. Hypothetically, once the first governor or senator goes splat on live TV, things are going to start accelerating a lot more and in a direction that nobody should want to go. I know all the muh civil war shit is played out, but grains of sand make a heap. The "line" exists somewhere, and they seem determined to find and cross it.

If I were The Powers That Be I wouldn’t be worrying about assassinations, I’d be worrying about infrastructure sabotage. Exponentially easier to carry out as a lone wolf, exponentially harder to get caught.

 

[The Ugly One]

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What a quinkydink, just a few months before the election! Why, look here, the GOP also changed its rules to say someone on trial for a felony can't run for its party's nomination!

If I were The Powers That Be I wouldn’t be worrying about assassinations, I’d be worrying about infrastructure sabotage. Exponentially easier to carry out as a lone wolf, exponentially harder to get caught.

Mentally unstable, right-wing lone wolves do retarded shit like shoot churches and schools full of unsuspecting innocents. It's the left's crazies who do things like plant bombs in the capitol or shoot Senators playing baseball.

 

[Weppers]

I'm a little confused by your scenario. A man who doesnt't care for being honeypotted or captued. Acts out anyway, despite the fact that now he would be typically be tracked, and that tracking would ensure his early neutralization?

I think he meant someone that isn't concerned about getting caught afterward when you were talking about someone getting caught beforehand.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The problem is that every line crossing we use as evidence is from the past where we can trace its causes and outcomes. Some may have similarities with the present, but they still cannot serve as reliable predictors for when things will happen.

Right on the money. These things always look obvious after the fact with the benefit of hindsight and all the conditions being known, but in the heat of the moment it is much harder to know. Example: The fall of the USSR. It's trivial to see how it was coming and how it happened to us today 40 years after the fact with the benefit of all the de-classified memos and numbers and reports, but at the time many people were caught by surprise and it seemed to come from nowhere to some.

I'm a little confused by your scenario. A man who doesnt't care for being honeypotted or captued. Acts out anyway, despite the fact that now he would be typically be tracked, and that tracking would ensure his early neutralization?

What @Weppers said, or you could go even further and see something like a "radicalized young white male" agree to the Totally Real attack plan from the Aryan Brotherhood discord that the head admin WhiteWarrior1488 helped him make and fund to strike at the feds by shooting random white people in a supermarket.

But when he sends his Fellow Nazis a message that it's going down, suddenly nothing happens on the agreed location. And as WhiteWarrior88 is desperatly DM'ing him asking where they are Agent Smith notices that someone matching the target's description just walked through the front door of the local FBI office.

Wouldn't that be a crazy Gmod map?

 

[AGPinochet]

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BLUMPF IS FINISHED
IT'S OVER
The walls that have been closing in for the last 8 years have finally stopped!
He's melting down!
They got ol donnie trump this time, for sure!
Only 2 more weeks worth of indictments
It will be interesting to see in 2025 (10 year anniversary of "Drumpf is finished") if libtards realize that they've been unwittingly been playing a part of a game and that part is that of the fool

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[mandatorylurk]

I'm hearing the theory Cannon made the date in May to block the DC trial from happening in this time. If she put it in November that leaves too much for fags in DC to ram a trial in. So the option is either rush something at the end of the year which would give a decent amount of time for appeals, or put it closer to November. And she can delay it even more which ripples it out.

Could be optimistic, but she's the judge who called bullshit on the MAL raid last year and could be using her powers to cockblock the DC fags.

 

[tehpope]

This happened the other day:

Bill represents the most substantial bipartisan effort to date

Bill would ban stock trading/ownership and blind trusts, increase disclosure and boost penalties for violations

U.S. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Josh Hawley (R-MO) introduced the bipartisan Ban Stock Trading for Government Officials Act. The legislation would create stringent stock trading bans and disclosure requirements for Congress, senior executive branch officials, and their spouses and dependents. The bill bans stock trading, stock ownership, and blind trusts; imposes heavy penalties for executive branch stock trading; requires reporting of federal benefits; creates additional transparency in financial disclosure reports; and increases transaction report penalties under the original STOCK Act.

The bill represents the most substantive bipartisan effort to date to ban stock trading by members of Congress.

“Sunlight is the best disinfectant. It is critical that the American people know that their elected leaders are putting the public first – not looking for ways to line their own pockets,” said Senator Gillibrand. “The landmark Ban Stock Trading for Government Officials Act bars members of Congress, executive branch officials and their families from holding or trading stocks, increases disclosure requirements and imposes harsh penalties on violators. This bill is the most substantive bipartisan effort to date and I’m going to work hard alongside Senator Hawley to get it signed into law.”

“Politicians and civil servants shouldn’t spend their time day-trading and trying to make a profit at the expense of the American public, but that’s exactly what so many are doing,” said Senator Hawley. “My bill with Senator Gillibrand is common sense: ban elected and executive branch officials from trading or holding stocks, and put the American public first.”

The Ban Stock Trading for Government Officials Act includes the following provisions:


Bans stock trading and blind trusts

Prohibits members of Congress, the president, vice president, senior executive branch members, and their spouses and dependents from holding or trading stocks.
There is no exception for blind trusts.
For members of Congress, failure to comply means a heavy penalty of at least 10 percent of the value of the prohibited investments.

Imposes heavy penalties for executive branch stock trading

Executive branch officials must disgorge profits from covered financial interests to Treasury.
Automatic Special Counsel fine of not less than the value of the covered investment that was purchased or sold in violation of the ban or up to $10,000, whichever is more.
The Office of Special Counsel may refer the case to the attorney general and recommend additional civil action if the case is “comparatively substantial in monetary value or extraordinary in nature.”

Requires reporting of federal benefits

Requires members of Congress, senior congressional staff, the president, vice president, and senior executive branch employees to report any time they, a spouse, or a dependent applies for or receives a benefit of value from the federal government.
This includes loans, agreements, contracts, grants, and payments. It does not include salary, compensation or tax refunds.
It would require reporting that includes payment type, recipient name, date and amount.
A penalty of $500 would be imposed for failure to file.

Creates transparency in financial disclosure reports

Requires public, searchable databases of personal financial disclosure reports and filings reporting of any financial transactions as required by the STOCK Act.

Increases STOCK Act transaction report penalties

Increases penalty ($200 to $500) for failing to file STOCK Act transaction reports.

BACKGROUND

There are a number of stunning statistics that demonstrate why the legislation is urgently needed.

Congress

1 in 3: Members of Congress who traded stocks or other financial assets from 2019 to 2021.
1 in 7: Members of the 117th Congress who violated the STOCK Act by failing to properly report their stock trades.
97: Members of Congress, or their spouses or dependents, who traded in companies affected by their committees from 2019 to 2021.
3,700+: Stock trades reported by members of Congress from 2019 to 2021 that potentially posed conflicts of interest.
17.5%: Average amount by which members of Congress’ stock portfolios outperformed the S&P 500 in 2022.

Executive Branch

Over 1 in 5: Senior federal officials who held stock in companies that were lobbying their agencies from 2016-2021.
11,600: Trades reported by senior federal officials in March 2020 (as COVID hit) – far more than in any other month from 2016-2021.
240: Senior federal officials at health agencies and the Pentagon who owned stock in drug, manufacturing, and biotech companies that won federal contracts related to COVID-19.
60+: Senior federal officials who reported stock trades in companies shortly before their departments announced enforcement actions against those companies from 2016-2021.

The vast majority of Americans believe stock trading should be banned for members of Congress and top executive branch officials. According to a recent poll by Morning Consult/Politico, at least 63% of Americans support banning stock trading for members of Congress and their families, as well for the president, vice president and top officials at federal government agencies.

Senator Gillibrand has been a champion for transparency and good government throughout her career. Gillibrand led Senate passage of the STOCK Act in 2012, and she was the first member of Congress to post a daily report listing her official meetings, personal financial disclosures, earmark requests, and taxes online.

Senator Hawley has introduced multiple pieces of legislation aimed at transparency and accountability for elected officials and civil servants. In January, Senator Hawley re-introduced his bill to ban lawmakers from stock trading. In March, he introduced legislation to ban senior executive branch officials from trading or holding individuals stocks – which Biden Energy Secretary Granholm later expressed support for.

https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibrand-hawley-introduce-landmark-bill-to-ban-stock-trading-and-ownership-by-congress-executive-branch-officials-and-their-families/

Cool move, but I doubt it's gonna pass. And if it does, won't make a dent in the backroom deals made to political figures.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Cool move, but I doubt it's gonna pass. And if it does, won't make a dent in the backroom deals made to political figures.

It’ll be as effective as the McCain-Feingold Act was in reigning in campaign financing.

I'm hearing the theory Cannon made the date in May to block the DC trial from happening in this time. If she put it in November that leaves too much for fags in DC to ram a trial in. So the option is either rush something at the end of the year which would give a decent amount of time for appeals, or put it closer to November. And she can delay it even more which ripples it out.

Could be optimistic, but she's the judge who called bullshit on the MAL raid last year and could be using her powers to cockblock the DC fags.

This ignores the RNC convention and crippled him by running as an independent if he wants to get on the ballot. If this was truly a 4D underwater backgammon move to secretly help Trump, it’d be at the beginning of the year. This timeline fucks him over, which is exactly the intent here.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

Right in the middle of campaigning I guess?

What you expected something else?

 

[Michael Wade]

That's ridiculously small odds. You have to have a lone wolf, thats completely committed, and high experience and IQ as to not get caught in FBI honeytraps. What are we left with, like 10 guys in the entire country? If everything goes to shit?

There will be at least one high profile one. They gotta have a reichstag fire.

Thing is, Im of the opinon that really dedicated ex military have not seriously tried or attempted anything yet.
Doesnt take much to make cops shit their pants when you've got a fucking killdozer or ex military running around shooting people. Imagine something like that just springing up all over the place with no coordination or planning.

I dont know if America is equipped to deal with any kind of serious guerilla warfare.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I dont know if America is equipped to deal with any kind of serious guerilla warfare.

Yes. Uncle Sam is. All he has to do is just fire a drone and wait for the boom.

There will be at least one high profile one. They gotta have a reichstag fire.

You mean 1/6 WASN’T a Reichstag Fire scenario? Both of those have been accused of being false flags.

Thing is, Im of the opinon that really dedicated ex military have not seriously tried or attempted anything yet.

Because they know the game. And the rules. And that in the event that they don’t achieve total victory, they give The State MORE carte Blanche to be MORE authoritarian and restrictive.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I dont know if America is equipped to deal with any kind of serious guerilla warfare.

No country is capable of surviving large scale guerrilla warfare, the US military couldn't enforce the peace in Iraq or Afghanistan, it would require literally the entire military, which would fail, in a single moderately sized US State. Police are what keep the peace and the moment the population inverses the dynamic that the police are the ones who chase into the population chase the police the whole thing falls apart, the US government would be blind to whatever was going on in a majority of the country. There is a reason why the government/technology companies/media work so hard to erode community bonds, it prevents large chunks of society from working together, but the downside is: when the social contract breaks you just end up with shitloads of lone wolf or impromptu alliances like we saw in Minneapolis during the Floyd riots, by atomizing society the point it will fall to in a crisis is far lower than it would otherwise be. Just look at the whole Ukraine thing, the Crimean, DPR and LPR broke off as contiguous blocks, this would never happen in the US today, it would just devolve into anarchy, looting and pillaging and murder until nothing remains, only when the bottom is hit for a decade or two and warlords conquer new borders would civilization arise again.

The powers that be always take the worst fucking options.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Yes. Uncle Sam is. All he has to do is just fire a drone and wait for the boom.

Yeah, because it works like that.

You mean 1/6 WASN’T a Reichstag Fire scenario? Both of those have been accused of being false flags.

Not enough blood, not enough fire.

All it did was give us pictures of "Our Betters(TM)" cowering and crying with plastic bags over their heads and then watching them positively shit themselves and arrest everyone that might have even seen a Fox News commercial across the US.

That didn't chill any hatred.

It just made people quieter about it.

Because they know the game. And the rules. And that in the event that they don’t achieve total victory, they give The State MORE carte Blanche to be MORE authoritarian and restrictive.

The rules only matter if both sides are willing to play by them.

And "Our Betters(TM)" have shown that they are no longer willing to play by them.

Makes things kind of interesting, doesn't it?

 

[Barry McKockner]

If it's a machine you're using, write ins are typed, so no illegibility issues.

But the GOP can allow Trump to participate Legitimately or lose. I have no problem watching Republicans lose because they rigged their primaries.ive already started planning my escape from society. I dont need "my party" to keep power.