Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Pocket Dragoon]

Leopard 1A5's have finally made it to Ukraine.
(from Bundeswehr official statement/list)

This list provides an overview of military assistance provided by the Federal Republic of Germany to Ukraine. It includes deliveries from the Federal Armed Forces, from industry and assistance measures together with partners, which have, inter alia, been financed from Federal Government funds for security capacity building.
Funding for the security capacity building initiative amounts to 5.4 billion Euros for 2023 (after 2 billion Euros for 2022) and additional authorisations to enter commitments in the following years amounting to 10.5 billion Euros. These funds are to be used primarily for military assistance to Ukraine. At the same time, they will be used for re-filling Federal Armed Forces stocks for items delivered to Ukraine as well as for Germany’s contributions to the European Peace Facility (EPF), from which costs incurred from providing military assistance to Ukraine can be re-imbursed to EU member states.
Delivered military support to Ukraine:
(Changes compared to the previous update in bold)

Armoured fighting vehicles
•10 LEOPARD 1 A5*
•138 MG3 for LEOPARD 2, MARDER and DACHS (before: one-hundred eighteen)
•8 tracked all-terrain vehicles Bandvagn 206 (BV206)*
•ammunition for LEOPARD 1*
•18 LEOPARD 2 A 6 main battle tanks with ammunition (German share in joint project with further LEOPARD 2 operators)
•40 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER with ammunition (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
•50 MRAP vehicles DINGO
•54 M113 armoured personnel carriers each with 2 MG* (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)
•Spare parts for LEOPARD 2 and MARDER

Air defence
•40 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD including circa 6.000 rounds of ammunition*
•2 air surveillance radar TRML-4D*
•2 air defence system Iris-T SLM*
•Iris-T SLM missiles*
•10 fire command units IRIS-T SLM air defence systems
•air defence system PATRIOT with missiles
•55,000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD
•4,000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
•500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
•2,700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA

Artillery
•28,535 rounds 155mm ammunition (before: 27,230)
•3,248 rounds 155mm smoke ammunition (before: 1,184)
•155mm precision guided ammunition*
•5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II with ammunition (German share in joint project with USA and Great Britain)
•ammunition for multiple rocket launchers MARS II
•14 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 (German share in joint project with the Netherlands)
•20 rocket launchers 70mm on pick-up trucks with rockets*
•counter battery radar system COBRA*
•10 laser target designators VULCANO artillery ammunition*

Military Engineering Capabilities
•18 heavy and medium bridge systems and 12 trailers (before: 17/0)*
•5 bridges for bridge-laying tank BEAVER
•10 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER*
•15 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2*
•2 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 3
•5 armoured engineer vehicles DACHS*
•3 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
•6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
•12 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
•4 mine clearing tanks WISENT 1*

Spoiler: All the rest....

Protective and Special Equipment
•163 border protection vehicles* (before: 159)
•18 ground surveillance radars* (before:
•10 radio jammers*
•57 anti-drone sensors and jammers*
•68 reconnaissance drones VECTOR*
•2 spare part packages for VECTOR drones
•93 drone detection systems*
•40 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
•1 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*
•32 reconnaissance drones*
•42 mobile antenna mast systems*
•40 laser target designators*
•10 unmanned surface vessels*
•10 anti-drone guns*
•28,000 combat helmets
•125 binoculars
•600 safety glasses
•1 radio frequency system
•3,000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
•353 night vision goggles*
•12 electronic anti-drone devices*
•165 field glasses*
•38 laser range finders*
•6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
•10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
•1 high frequency unit with equipment*
Logistics
•140 trucks Zetros* (before: 124)
•32 truck tractor trains 8x8 HX81 and 27 semi-trailers*
•14 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles THeMIS*
•4 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 20 roll of containers*
•288 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
•179 Pick-ups*
•12 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
•26 load-handling trucks 15t*
•35 load-handling trucks 8x8
•30 protected vehicles*
•10 roll off containers

Combat Readiness and Survivability
•260,000 first aid kits* (before: 160,000)
•107,712 rounds ammunition 40mm*
•11,000 group module rations
•103,000 tourniquets
•500 pistols SFP9*
•2 hangar tents*
•8 lift trucks*
•295 generators
•10 winter camouflage nets
•168 mobile heating systems*
•36 ambulances*
•36,400 wool blankets
•14,000 sleeping bags
•Mi-24 spare parts*
•spare parts for heavy machine gun M2
•200 tents
•116,000 winter jackets
•80,000 winter trousers
•240,000 winter hats
•405,000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
•67 fridges for medical material*
•3,000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
•14,900 anti-tank mines (9,300* from industry stocks)
•22 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
•50 Bunkerfaust with 15 firing devices
•100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
•100,000 hand grenades
•5,300 explosive charges
•100,000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
•350,000 detonators
•100 auto-injector devices
•15 palettes military clothing
•1,200 hospital beds
•18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
•protective clothing, surgical masks
•1 field hospital (project jointly financed with Estonia)*
•medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
•Diesel and gasoline*
•10 tons AdBlue*
•500 medical gauzes*
•MiG-29 spare parts*
•7,944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador

Archive

 

[Ghostse]

Piracy in the Black Sea is also retarded because the Black Sea, relatively speaking, is not that big that Russian pirates could avoid getting instantly ambushed by Turkish, Romanian or Bulgarian navies the moment they sail out to attack some civilian transport ships. Piracy, as a general rule, works better when you've got a big, open area to hide out in. Hence why the Golden Age of Piracy almost exclusively involved the Atlantic because it's hard as fuck to patrol.

The real issue with trying to do Black Sea piracy is there is no place to hide. (which ties into the size) There isn't enough shipping to disguise an Auxiliary Cruiser, there's not maze of islands to shelter in like in the Carribbean/Malacca. Any pirate force sallying out from port would be noted, recorded and radio alert put to all ships. To say nothing of being within a few dozen minutes of strike fighters if they did try any sort of boarding action.

I really miss the way these old historical war movies were shot. I'm not really sure what makes it so good so I just started calling it "the Waterloo effect".

Its called "not everything was CGI'd to utter shit".

 

[draggs]

Its called "not everything was CGI'd to utter shit".

tfw when the climax of Tora! Tora! Tora! has far superior combat scenes than almost every war movie since Saving Private Ryan

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

I think my favorite retarded from A&N is like Male Idiot, a maygar nigger who simps for russia and china to an insane degree. Maygars are a special breed, they're not white, but mongoloidic in nature. and fail to see how Russia treats Hungary throughout the years. But i would love to catalog retarded ziggers in this thread if its allowed, like how there should be a thread for laughing at wumaoo shills on KF. Maybe @AgendaPoster knows some about Zigger shit in hungary, so i ask, why would Hungarians ever trust russia after everything they've done other than pure contraianism.

 

[MG-34]

I think my favorite retarded from A&N is like Male Idiot, a maygar nigger who simps for russia and china to an insane degree. Maygars are a special breed, they're not white, but mongoloidic in nature. and fail to see how Russia treats Hungary throughout the years. But i would love to catalog retarded ziggers in this thread if its allowed, like how there should be a thread for laughing at wumaoo shills on KF. Maybe @AgendaPoster knows some about Zigger shit in hungary, so i ask, why would Hungarians ever trust russia after everything they've done other than pure contraianism.
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I do feel bad for Hungary. It's a real nice country. I get not wanting to be tied in with the EU's neo socialist policies of unlimited brown people, but tying yourself to the sick man of Europe to own the libs is a textbook example of cutting your nose to spite your face. AMD-65 is a kino AK derivative.

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

I do feel bad for Hungary. It's a real nice country. I get not wanting to be tied in with the EU's neo socialist policies of unlimited brown people, but tying yourself to the sick man of Europe to own the libs is a textbook example of cutting your nose to spite your face. AMD-65 is a kino AK derivative.

well remember, Russia promotes "Eurasianism". and remember with hungarians .

 

[AgendaPoster]

I think my favorite retarded from A&N is like Male Idiot, a maygar nigger who simps for russia and china to an insane degree. Maygars are a special breed, they're not white, but mongoloidic in nature. and fail to see how Russia treats Hungary throughout the years. But i would love to catalog retarded ziggers in this thread if its allowed, like how there should be a thread for laughing at wumaoo shills on KF. Maybe @AgendaPoster knows some about Zigger shit in hungary, so i ask, why would Hungarians ever trust russia after everything they've done other than pure contraianism.

As a proud local mongrel with most of my blood from some older mongrel Austrian/German/Hungarian mystery meat stock, I definitely would prefer Hungary to be our friend and not enemy. I would be incredibly disappointed if we cannot even put these Trianon old news BS in the past. In most larger Transylvanian and Banat cities everyone is mixed, you can forget purity, half if not more of the names you'll meet are some German or Hungarian ones with some Serb and Croat stuff peppered over and a Romanian "base" for the cake. It's the correct kind of multiculturalism IMO that I have nothing against, people mixing naturally at the borders of some empire, people basically meeting, having sex and families, tribes that are 99% similar in looks even if we don't really understand the spoken languages.
The mongoloid Hungarian stuff is a myth, that got diluted beyond recognition, at most there are some vestiges, but that's about it. Genetic studies put them as closest to Romania and Serbia in genetics if I remember correctly. So no High Elf Celtic Aryan Austrian Painter Germanic spirit, I'm afraid, at least not much, just your typical stocky Balkan palinka enjoying resilient build.
Of course, they'd reject that outright, just as they reject East EU and stick to Central, it's well known only Slavs and gyppos are in the East, while the Central has tasted the blessings of the Eternal Kraut.
Ability to put past lunacy where it belongs and have a proper European federation is of paramount importance. Without it, we're prey to Russia, US and everyone else, and all that we have is history, and "lemme tell you about muh glorious Macedonian Kang and the Winged Hussars" is not really gonna bring us prosperity and stability in 2023+

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

Ability to put past lunacy where it belongs and have a proper European federation is of paramount importance. Without it, we're prey to Russia, US and everyone else, and all that we have is history, and "lemme tell you about muh glorious Macedonian Kang and the Winged Hussars" is not really gonna bring us prosperity and stability in 2023+

Unironically at this point I would support the idea of a "NATO Federation" for all its members. Because once your read Yockey, you get a more clear idea of that type of shit. Like Yockey would say, the west (even with burgers and leafs) needs to unite to protect itself from the hordes of the middle east and asia.

 

[Scout Trooper]

In most larger Transylvanian and Banat cities everyone is mixed, you can forget purity, half if not more of the names you'll meet are some German or Hungarian ones with some Serb and Croat stuff peppered over and a Romanian "base" for the cake. It's the correct kind of multiculturalism IMO that I have nothing against, people mixing naturally at the borders of some empire, people basically meeting, having sex and families, tribes that are 99% similar in looks even if we don't really understand the spoken languages.

It's been awhile since I read this so I don't remember all the geo-ethnic details but I always think of this dynamic where Germanic Romanians were able to volunteer for the Waffen-SS in addition to the Romanian cooperation with Germany.

https://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Transylvania-Romanian-Waffen-SS-Stackpole/dp/0811715825

Pretty much what you'd expect from a country that's more or less been in a state of war for the last 1000 years as well as being a major cultural crossroads between the East and West.

It's frankly surprising that there's much notion of "Romanian" identity when it's basically a collection of Eastern and Western ethnicities who all have historical reasons to hate each other.

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

It's frankly surprising that there's much notion of "Romanian" identity when it's basically a collection of Eastern and Western ethnicities who all have historical reasons to hate each other.

Sometimes just being a resilient fucker is the main part of some cultures, Celtics being a prime example. If your people go through hundreds of years of being fucked over, it builds your people up to resist in any way possible and has the cultural mindset of never giving up, either in peaceful or violent ways.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It's frankly surprising that there's much notion of "Romanian" identity

The language. It's not Slavic, not Germanic, not Hungarian, instead it's Romance, closer to Italy and France than to what's around us. When subjected to adversity, people stuck to what they had in common, i.e. this language, and eventually it delivered a nation state, took a while, but that's how ethnogenesis works. And the religion too.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Is Russia the only one who produced a lot of these? I remember articles decades ago complaining about them.

No, the US has a shitload and has been using them since 'Nam.
Major difference TMK is most of the US thermobaric arsenal is/was air-dropped bombs while the Russians have more short-range thermobaric rockets.

Both nations + Chicoms use a variety of shoulder-fired thermos, most notable RPO Schmel, warheads for the SMAW and the Chicom Temu rip-off of RPO Schmel.

Because thermobarics basically turn the air into fireball & concussive force, they are more potent to units that are dug in, trenches, bunker entrances, caves, etc. Some heavier thermos can basically suck the fucking air out of a tunnel in an instant like a flamethrower on amphetamines.
Contrast to cluster munitions, which basically just burst or disperse in the air and send a shotgun-like array of smaller explosives over a wide area.
InB4 some miltech engineer creates a fucking cluster bomb with thermobaric submunitions...

 

[teriyakiburns]

The language. It's not Slavic, not Germanic, not Hungarian, instead it's Romance, closer to Italy and France than to what's around us. When subjected to adversity, people stuck to what they had in common, i.e. this language, and eventually it delivered a nation state, took a while, but that's how ethnogenesis works. And the religion too.

Romania also has some bloody good wine, which I find improves cultural cohesion immensely. Can't get it over here. Sad.

 

[Random Internet Person]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23883757-dod-ig-ukraine

https://archive.is/vH8jg

 

[MG-34]

No, the US has a shitload and has been using them since 'Nam.
Major difference TMK is most of the US thermobaric arsenal is/was air-dropped bombs while the Russians have more short-range thermobaric rockets.

Both nations + Chicoms use a variety of shoulder-fired thermos, most notable RPO Schmel, warheads for the SMAW and the Chicom Temu rip-off of RPO Schmel.

Because thermobarics basically turn the air into fireball & concussive force, they are more potent to units that are dug in, trenches, bunker entrances, caves, etc. Some heavier thermos can basically suck the fucking air out of a tunnel in an instant like a flamethrower on amphetamines.
Contrast to cluster munitions, which basically just burst or disperse in the air and send a shotgun-like array of smaller explosives over a wide area.
InB4 some miltech engineer creates a fucking cluster bomb with thermobaric submunitions...

We did have this absolute unit in the inventory until the 1990s, though I never saw it outside of mentions in FMs and in Video games.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M202_FLASH

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23883757-dod-ig-ukraine

https://archive.is/vH8jg

I hate this because it clearly states that it's the fuckup of Ukraine's personal and that US D.o.D personal was not present at all but they use "USA WAS UNABLE TO" like its a clickbait article. Typical Doublethink shit

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23883757-dod-ig-ukraine

https://archive.is/vH8jg

And?

Same as it ever was; but they're going to act like this is a huge gotcha, and it's proofs dangerous arms provided to Ukraine are landing in the hands of bad people. And that pallets of cash have been handed over to Ukrainian agencies with no questions asked, but they fail to see that's pretty much the point of the whole fucking endeavor.

 

[World in Scarlet]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23883757-dod-ig-ukraine

Is there some legal significance to that? It's pretty absurd red tape for an actual war situation, but it seems they are aware and are fine with the efforts being made, or were in October 2022 when that document was written anyway, and presumably still are.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It says in the report that the EUM relies on in-person inspecting. And that cannot happen considering the context.
What is Ukraine supposed to even do here? Or the US? Get US military to the frontline to inspect destroyed vehicles on a mined field and under artillery fire?
It is what it is

 

[Apathetic Luigi]

It says in the report that the EUM relies on in-person inspecting. And that cannot happen considering the context.
What is Ukraine supposed to even do here? Or the US? Get US military to the frontline to inspect destroyed vehicles on a mined field and under artillery fire?

No then russia can chimp out and claim THERE ARE US TROOPS IN UKRAINE. and retarded fifth columnists can cry about "i won't die fighting the russians" (cough cough Tucker Carlson with mistaking US Embassy staff as troops).