Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
A friend of mine gave me solid dating advice years ago and it gave great results even though it sounds retard-simple:

Go out for coffee on the first date. That's it, that's all, just share a cup of coffee together. No fancy meal, no grandiose spectacle, no pressure. Just coffee and conversation. Keep it light. Get to know each other a little. Don't be an asshole. Offer to walk her to her car when either or both of you decide it's time to go. Ask her out for a real second date if you want to see her again. She'll either say yes or she won't. If she says no, keep it nice. Say goodnight like a normal human being.

Yeah, I know: an evening not exactly aswirl with romance and passionate intensity, but it's typically a good time even with someone you don't particularly feel physically attracted to or emotionally right with. You're just two people having a nice conversation and getting to know each other. It doesn't need to lead anywhere. Just enjoy the moment.
 
Things are pretty screwed up for zoomers in the dating scene. Casual sex is easy (provided you're appropriately attractive and not a complete sperg), but serious dating isn't. Both men's and women's expectations for relationships are all over the place. Its difficult to find someone who shares a similar idea of dating.
 
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Engendering a mercenary society in which people think of themselves first and foremost will end in a situation such as this.

In the linked article at the top:
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Well at least the farms will continue to have new lolcows decades to come from all the old dudes rattling out fucked-up sperm.
 
I'm in the back half of my 30s. Still having the same group of friends from high school would be infinitely more pathetic than having no friends at all.
Don’t be a fucking retard, no one would argue that you should be hanging out with your high school friends every Saturday night at your hometown bowling alley. Lots of relationships start when someone gets together with old high school or college friends in their 20’s, over Christmas or whatever, and someone brings a coworker or cousin or friend from a different stage of life.
 
Don’t be a fucking retard, no one would argue that you should be hanging out with your high school friends every Saturday night at your hometown bowling alley. Lots of relationships start when someone gets together with old high school or college friends in their 20’s, over Christmas or whatever, and someone brings a coworker or cousin or friend from a different stage of life.
That's an awfully specific scenario to bank on for finding a life partner.
 
Not to get off on a tangent too much, but the fact of the matter is that women will almost always go for the guy who is exciting, all things being equal. Now that means different things to different people, but a guy who is exciting is almost always going to win out over a guy who's boring.

A 5'6" in shoes manlet who has lived in a bunch of different countries, speaks a couple of different languages, and used to be a professional chef is an exciting guy for most women. Even if you aren't particularly wealthy, and not a perfect physical specimen, you'll do fine with women, because that shit makes you much more interesting than a guy who has lived in the same place his whole life and has done nothing of consequence.

A cliche as it sounds, if you want to up your dating, up yourself first. And you don't need to be a polyglot or spend years living abroad or becoming a chef, but you do need to cultivate habits and hobbies that make you an interesting person.

Female Kiwis, I'd love your input on my ideas...
 
That's an awfully specific scenario to bank on for finding a life partner.
Yeah, maybe you’re right about that. I know anecdotes mean very little. Just thinking about how people I know met their spouses, it’s mostly friends-of-friends, including a few who married college friends of people they knew in high school.
 
Hasn't the job interview vibe been around for a while now for dating? The only time things felt more casual is when you're just getting together for a coffee or meeting at a bar/club for the evening. Or if it's a "netflix and chill" thing where the obvious goal is just getting laid and maybe hanging out.

Whenever it's a date-date then women seemed to feel the fun vibe can go out the window.
 
“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”
These retarded/disingenuous fags keep asserting that it was the pandemic that changed things and not the social upheaval the left has forced upon our society in the same timeframe. Since 2018 or so men have had to contend with the "metoo" bullshit and having to worry that accidentally gazing too long at a woman could end a career, people on the whole have become more drawn into their ideological camps and distrustful of outsiders, and now with Muh Intersectional Feminism in the prime spotlight a lot of guys just don't feel like playing this shit where you feel like you have to audition for a Hollywood role to land a date with a 4/10, all so that you can be dragged on tiktok if you tell her you think maybe you should just date each other and not fuck other people or post porn for money.
The reality is our society has been subjected to a massive shift in ideology by a vocal and radicalized minority who overlooked pesky things like what everyone else would think of living in this tranny/nigger/woman/anythingbutwhiteman-centric world, and they used a bioweapon engineered in a chink lab funded by taxpayer dollars to facilitate it all.
 
Well, romantic relationships are naturally going to be pretty mercenary, unless you're a royal cementing a regional alliance in the Middle Ages or something. I mean, to whom would I owe finding a mate but myself?
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There's no real reason for a lot of men to put out the effort it takes to go through the bullshit for modern romance when the path of least resistance directly aligns with the path that is most rewarding to one's self interest in the immediate.

A good many people are interested in their own self-interest, and as such have no care for shit like having kids for a nation's sake, their parent's sake, for the sake of making someone else happy, etc.

That's also why this "just grow up" nanny-ish chiding of such people isn't and will continue to not work. Our society if you couldn't tell has valued putting yourself and your own concerns above that of any other's whilst also enabling various outlets that, again, take less effort while also giving a similar reward.

Dating and romance is financially and emotionally taxing, jerking it and consuming media isn't. What apparently is lost on people here is that these guys in the article aren't saying they can't date, they're saying it's too much bullshit compared to just being alone and doing their own thing. What you're seeing is a slice of the repopulation rate being crushed under the weight of its people's own choices over the past few decades in real-time.

I would be concerned if it weren't for the fact that all of the people this fucks over the most are the people at the top who pushed the social engineering that lead to this state of affairs.
 
I actually started talking about animals and veterinarian bills for my many many cats (I only had one at the time). Then I talked about making clothes and sewing, and he probably tuned out around the time I got to my thimble collection.
That all sounds really interesting, wanna go out sometime?
 
Not to get off on a tangent too much, but the fact of the matter is that women will almost always go for the guy who is exciting, all things being equal. Now that means different things to different people, but a guy who is exciting is almost always going to win out over a guy who's boring.

A 5'6" in shoes manlet who has lived in a bunch of different countries, speaks a couple of different languages, and used to be a professional chef is an exciting guy for most women. Even if you aren't particularly wealthy, and not a perfect physical specimen, you'll do fine with women, because that shit makes you much more interesting than a guy who has lived in the same place his whole life and has done nothing of consequence.

A cliche as it sounds, if you want to up your dating, up yourself first. And you don't need to be a polyglot or spend years living abroad or becoming a chef, but you do need to cultivate habits and hobbies that make you an interesting person.

Female Kiwis, I'd love your input on my ideas...
You're not wrong but you can condition a woman to expect you to always be exciting and can make it so there's never any chill or "down time" in the reltionship which can ruin it for the "exciting man." In a sense shooting oneself in the proverbial foot.

A friend of mine gave me solid dating advice years ago and it gave great results even though it sounds retard-simple:

Go out for coffee on the first date. That's it, that's all, just share a cup of coffee together. No fancy meal, no grandiose spectacle, no pressure. Just coffee and conversation. Keep it light. Get to know each other a little. Don't be an asshole. Offer to walk her to her car when either or both of you decide it's time to go. Ask her out for a real second date if you want to see her again. She'll either say yes or she won't. If she says no, keep it nice. Say goodnight like a normal human being.

Yeah, I know: an evening not exactly aswirl with romance and passionate intensity, but it's typically a good time even with someone you don't particularly feel physically attracted to or emotionally right with. You're just two people having a nice conversation and getting to know each other. It doesn't need to lead anywhere. Just enjoy the moment.
It's excellent advice and there's one thing I'd add, a coffee out does better to start than a huge event because a common thing with women is they learn to adapt to conditioning a light time out creates a more romantic vibe and will lead gold diggers away and those out for a free meal often times. It's an easy way to scout a ladies intentions and as you said get to know them at a more simple pace.

The thing with paying for something extravagent to often is you have to keep paying for that as it then becomes expected and that is an issue for those who try to "flaunt" in front of women.
 
what i am suppoused to tell you ? You are so insuferrable and useless that your women would rather get child via sperm donnor and fuck a dog than deal with half of your bs. FFs you dont bring anything on the table and constantly insult them for two decades now about everything and anything there is no winning if they put out whore if they dont its horrible torture how dare they if they stay in the kitchen and you pay the bills she is a goldigger is she pursues career i dont want business woman+ roastie . Dating suppoused to be hard because you do in once in few years and grab the first person you can stand waking up next to thats it . Preferably you have to do it once. Instead you treat it as a fun game to put notches on your dick and collect stories to share and laugh with your bros . So now you are getting treated like this . And you fucking worked hard for it.
Now explain why women are choosing these fuckboys over normal guys.
 
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