Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Also, the point of a war game is to practice. Getting your navy blown up teaches you that you need to counter that threat, but it doesn’t give the men on the boats anything whatsoever. Same with the helicopters. Apparently the war game used yank helicopters to land soldiers, but the defenders blew them up en route because of course you would. Wargame still says they successfully land, because the point is to let the soldiers practice disembarking under more or less combat conditions. Realism always takes a back seat to letting the men learn.
 
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So apparently a 'friendly country' got ahold of north korean rockets and sent them to ukraine to use against the russians. Supposedly they aren't very reliable. I can't say this is a good look for ukraine. They already have nazi issues, a shit ton of corruption, idiot generals and have been caught doing all kinds of unethical and illegal shit and now they're using weapons obtained from a mass murdering dictatorship. Regardless of how they got them, its a bad, bad look to be using that equipment. It doesn't send a good message at all

But remember: ukraine is the good guys. The good guys who somehow have alot of nazis in their ranks and use weapons that have alot of innocent blood on them already
 
Also, the point of a war game is to practice. Getting your navy blown up teaches you that you need to counter that threat, but it doesn’t give the men on the boats anything whatsoever. Same with the helicopters. Apparently the war game used yank helicopters to land soldiers, but the defenders blew them up en route because of course you would. Wargame still says they successfully land, because the point is to let the soldiers practice disembarking under more or less combat conditions. Realism always takes a back seat to letting the men learn.
Just to clarify for lurkers - Wargames can be physical IRL things maneuvering units to see what actions and practices work IRL, along with providing good training for troops. Wargames can also be more or less tabletop exercises with various observers and techniques applied to simulate a command level view of an encounter, and the assorted issues command might face - fog of war, communications delay, etc. I'm sure they're more digitized in this day and age, but the practice as I know it goes as far back as submarine warfare in WW2, where wargaming was used to eventually identify likely uboat tactics and develop counters for them - and it worked, for the most part.

Stories about people rulebreaking a wargame sounds more to me of the era of early digitally authored wargames, where the computer managed the rules instead of observers, leading to weird things like zero second 'man' communications.

just checked and you seem to be thinking about a 1981 NATO exercise on naval war against the Warsaw Pact where the fucktards in charge honestly expected no Aircraft Carriers to be sunk by the "Red Team" despite the fact the entire fucking Soviet Navy was choke full of subs and meant to do so.
I can't find it, but one wargame I recall hearing about was a full blown WW3 in Europe scenario, Warsaw Pact initiating. The soviet player was off-doctrine initially, and lead with a mass, one way air assault after deciding that their air force was simply hopelessly outclassed and didn't have the staying power to be combat effective. So he gathered all his older migs that wouldn't last in a protracted fight, sent them off to bomb the shit out of every airbase his intelligence was aware of, and then rather than try and retreat, the pilots were ordered to surrender and land or bail wherever they could. They'd land on roads, damaged airstrips, anywhere they could be put down. Because it was a one-way trip, he was able to strike way deeper than NATO had expected, and crippled the NATO air force in return, only really left carrier groups in play for air projection. And all it cost him was outdated aircraft. I don't remember how the rest of the game went, beyond the fact that it was a decisive NATO defeat and he was told he can't do that, which would see most of those older migs die pointlessly trying to sortie against NATO strike craft. Which is more or less what happened in the following runs, which showed a comfortably decisive NATO victory and assured a bunch of people the Fulda gap was as safe as they could make it.

The tactic sounds pretty crazy at first, but it has merit, and wouldn't even be throwing pilot lives away compared to other options. They weren't exactly expected to survive long in WW3 anyway, and if all went well, they wouldn't be prisoners of war for long. Definitely unconventional, but viable as a surprise strike.
 
So apparently a 'friendly country' got ahold of north korean rockets and sent them to ukraine to use against the russians
Friendly country my left nut. Think about who's buying the arms that are inevitably getting black marketed, and tell me the North Koreans wouldn't be more than happy to trade a whole pile of rocket artillery for a handful of Javelins to learn from.
 
Friendly country my left nut. Think about who's buying the arms that are inevitably getting black marketed, and tell me the North Koreans wouldn't be more than happy to trade a whole pile of rocket artillery for a handful of Javelins to learn from.
Most "Fagot" missile launchers you see being used in the Middle East? They're not. They're Bulsae-2 ATGMs, which are North Korean copies. North Korea's been one of the biggest suppliers of black market arms for decades. A lot of these supposed "ex-Soviet" pieces of hardware are, in fact, North Korean clones.

On that note, it's why I find people shittalking North Korea baffling. The Norks haven't survived effectively being isolated from the world simply through being a totalitarian "hermit kingdom", they've gotten in good being a reliable supplier of cloned Soviet-designed weapons systems to various groups across the world. They also haven't just gotten good at making clones, they're good at improving on those existing designs.
 
Link to mega with both of the real "Wagner movie's" not the reenactment they did with "yellow vs white" also random pictures of holhols corpses or being mistreated and killed (I plan to upload my entire war archive) I couldn't upload directly due to file size's
Screenshot_20230729-004652~2.png https://mega.nz/folder/rvpSjJSL#4WnUQQWr52vMl7gXaCu0ZA

DM if link dies I can upload again

And here's some videos old and new including one of a holhol crawling away from a destroyed tank while he is burned by flames so warning I guess? Sorry if any reposts









 
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FPV drone hitting a Ukrainian firing point. Those fucking drones are the most horrifying part of this war so far. Wonder if that's what seeing tanks for the first time ever in WW1 must've been like.
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The first troops to encounter tanks handled them quite well actually, it was the first troops that encountered chemical warfare that correctly had a panicked reaction to it, first going "what the fuck? Why is that cloud such a weird color?" to the quick mass asphyxiation stage which lead them to abandon the trench. It was so effective that the Germans themselves did not know how or when to exploit the clearing of the trenches because the winds shifted once again and started pushing the chemical weapons back towards the German lines.
 
The Pentagon has authorized additional hazard pay for U.S. troops serving in Ukraine, a defense official confirmed Thursday. Link/Archive

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(no US boots on the ground, right)

Edit: one tank vs one ukrops column kino, subtitled

From the start of the counter-oinkfesive
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Most "Fagot" missile launchers you see being used in the Middle East? They're not. They're Bulsae-2 ATGMs, which are North Korean copies. North Korea's been one of the biggest suppliers of black market arms for decades. A lot of these supposed "ex-Soviet" pieces of hardware are, in fact, North Korean clones.

On that note, it's why I find people shittalking North Korea baffling. The Norks haven't survived effectively being isolated from the world simply through being a totalitarian "hermit kingdom", they've gotten in good being a reliable supplier of cloned Soviet-designed weapons systems to various groups across the world. They also haven't just gotten good at making clones, they're good at improving on those existing designs.
A lot of that is due to American propaganda. We just assume the entire country just idles until the next batch of food aid comes in.
 
I see the west still doesn't bother with pointing out that when Russia attacks civilian installations in the Ukraine, it's because Ukrainian warlords have evicted the civilians and taken the building over for their own use.
 
A lot of that is due to American propaganda. We just assume the entire country just idles until the next batch of food aid comes in.
Personally? I assume the Norks purposely feed into the poverty porn that the USA puts out. I wouldn't call North Korea prosperous, but North Korea is absolutely nowhere near as destitute and poor as our propaganda makes it out to be.

I also wonder if many of these so-called "defectors" you see are just really good actors from the South. And even if they are legitimately from North Korea...they're just like Yuri Bezmenov was to the USSR; They're basically on the low end of North Korean society and they'll happily repeat whatever myths the USA and SK have cooked up to keep the grift going.
 
I wouldn't call North Korea prosperous, but North Korea is absolutely nowhere near as destitute and poor as our propaganda makes it out to be.
North Korea seems to have a very small middle class in the capital but that is about it. If they were actually doing well they would be putting out a lot more propaganda on that front. Plus the satellite photos showing artifical light at night are hard to cope with. I think they are about as destitute as people claim. Also the fact that their army is basically equipped with 1960/1970s vintage is pretty telling.

Edit: I am also sure that some of the defectors make up stuff for internet clout though. I also faintly remember that one of the more popular ones got basically caught in a lot of lies about her own history. But don't quote me on that.
 
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He had them run suicide attacks as he knew actual muslims getting invaded by Great Satan would.
This is the crazy thing about getting into a war with Iran that I don't think people are calculating. If there's a country where the cult of martyrdom is at its peak, it's Shi'a Iran. They *will* suicide into your naval craft and bases and they'll smile doing it. They would love it more than ISIS.
 
Van Riper is something akin to half lolcow, half competent,

Sounds like a real Marine then.

FPV drone hitting a Ukrainian firing point. Those fucking drones are the most horrifying part of this war so far. Wonder if that's what seeing tanks for the first time ever in WW1 must've been like.
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Damn this shit is like a guided missile that a single dude can assemble, control and deliver. No need for fancy controls or launch plataforms.
 
North Korea seems to have a very small middle class in the capital but that is about it. If they were actually doing well they would be putting out a lot more propaganda on that front

I think the last thing a communist (or Juche or whatever) country would want to advertise would be its prosperous middle class. Sorta flies in the face of the whole point of the concept to begin with.
 
North Korea seems to have a very small middle class in the capital but that is about it. If they were actually doing well they would be putting out a lot more propaganda on that front. Plus the satellite photos showing artifical light at night are hard to cope with. I think they are about as destitute as people claim. Also the fact that their army is basically equipped with 1960/1970s vintage is pretty telling.
The satellite photographs themselves don't necessarily prove the Norks are so poor they don't have electricity. It could be mandatory blackouts like what Europeans did during WW2, as a defense against air attack.

As far as the KPA being "1960s/1970s vintage"...I would encourage you to look at more recent photographs. They're modernizing heavily. The fact they're selling clones of 1980s/1990s-era weaponry should tell you something as well, or that they can keep testing out better and better rockets.
I think the last thing a communist (or Juche or whatever) country would want to advertise would be its prosperous middle class. Sorta flies in the face of the whole point of the concept to begin with.
That, and let's face it, the North Koreans probably understand any propaganda campaign they run would be disregarded and dead on arrival, so why bother? Let the South Koreans and Americans believe the DPRK is weak and pathetic, while DPRK-manufactured weapons are still killing Americans in the Middle East/Ukraine and South Korea becomes more and more of a purposeless, degenerate dystopia.
Meanwhile, North Korea still gradually gets stronger and stronger.
 
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