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[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

nothing to see here, they're trying to distract you from the latest Hunter Biden dick pic!!" type of thing

Not to get too off topic but I do love how many of those same folks apparently forgot saying in the past something to the effect of "The Hunter Biden bullshit is a nothingburger distraction" when it was being talked about by their political enemies.

 

[fukefacedog]

In terms of the Radar Reflecting Balloon theory, I've seen it before from The Drive's "War Zone".

The assertion from the Testimony is that these are staying stationary in high wind for I believe days at a time, ascending and descending when approached, and in the case of the Gimbal, were flying in formation against the wind, at 120 knots to the west:



In terms of suggesting David Fravor is mistaken during the Nimitz Encounter, that's certainly fine to say, but you've also got to be able to agree that all of these people are mistaken as well:

• Lieutenant Commander Alex Dietrich (Pilot)
• James Slaight (Weapons System Operator)
• Commander Chad Underwood (Pilot)
• Kevin Day (Radar Operator)
• Sean Cahill (Chief Master At Arms)
• Gary Voorhis (Fire Controlman)
• Patrick Hughes (Aviation Tech)
• Jason Turner (Supply)
• Ryan Weigelt (helicopter maintenance)
• Karson Kammerzell (Cryptologic Technician)

There are potentially more but these are just the individuals who I've confirmed agree with the events that I've been able to see with my own eyes and post in the thread. And then of course Garry Nolan said that he later studied the bodies of people who were involved in the Nimitz incident. And also that the FLIR Pod, E-2 Hawkeye, and Nimitz/Princeton sensors were mistaken despite all being data linked together, and had even been re-calibrated which only made the tracks come in clearer.

Again, that's fine if that's what you want to say, but I usually find that most people haven't actually thought that far.

At the very least I think we can all agree that more evidence needs to come out, and hopefully this was the push needed for that to happen.

It was incredibly surreal for me to see this Hearing happen, and I got insanely hammered.

 

[Standardized Profile]

In terms of suggesting David Fravor is mistaken during the Nimitz Encounter, that's certainly fine to say, but you've also got to be able to agree that all of these people are mistaken as well:

• Lieutenant Commander Alex Dietrich (Pilot)
• James Slaight (Weapons System Operator)
• Commander Chad Underwood (Pilot)
• Kevin Day (Radar Operator)
• Sean Cahill (Chief Master At Arms)
• Gary Voorhis (Fire Controlman)
• Patrick Hughes (Aviation Tech)
• Jason Turner (Supply)
• Ryan Weigelt (helicopter maintenance)
• Karson Kammerzell (Cryptologic Technician)

Okay. They're all mistaken. (At least some of them must be--Kammerzell questions Fravor's story. [archive]) It's not surprising that a number of witnesses might be mistaken about what they observed, or more importantly, how they (or third parties) interpret those observations. Mistaken identification happens, sometimes with fatal results [archive].

Something I didn't notice until I read the NDU paper: During the subcommittee hearing, a representative asked Fravor if the object he saw could have been a test article. Fravor said something like, "They have test ranges for that." But the Nimitz was in a test range:

In addition to serving as one of the Navy’s fleet testing areas, the [Southern California Offshore Range] is home to a Department of Energy Advanced Research Projects Agency mine testing area, parachute drop zones, several radar and sonar monitoring sites, and multiple Marine Corps amphibious assault training areas. Notably, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) used the SCORE complex to test a hypersonic drone, the X-43, on November 16, 2004.

And the pilots were directed into an area where a submarine was conducting weapons tests:

USS Louisville, the Los Angeles–class submarine attached to the Nimitz battlegroup, was conducting weapons tests in the area. While the executive summary also states that no pilots would be vectored into a live-fire test site coordinated with the battlegroup, it acknowledges—just one sentence earlier—that Fravor and Dietrich were in fact directed into the area of the Louisville’s weapon test.

I have been entertaining a theory that Congressional leadership put troublemakers like AOC and Gaetz on this committee, then pointed a bunch of fantasists and bullshit artists at them to make them look foolish to the voters. Remember that candidate who ran the "I'm not a witch" ad? In 2024, AOC and Gaetz will be running "I'm not a UFO cultist" ads.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

I'm surprised no one in this thread posted the video the Corridor Crew debunking the Pentagon UFO videos

Also, I remember seeing a thread on either /pol/ or /x/ that said the audio in the videos were fake, or at least from an unrelated UAP video.

 

[draggs]

After Richard Doty and his fucking around with Bob Lazar and Moore etc., after the hilarity of Ed Dames, and all the other examples, why anyone would trust a current or former military officer/glownigger making claims about muh aliens is a mystery to me

 

[RACISM]

You just know that if there are a bunch of different alien species out there, and the government has secretly linked up with one of them, they will have chosen the niggers of the universe.

 

[draggs]

You just know that if there are a bunch of different alien species out there, and the government has secretly linked up with one of them, they will have chosen the niggers of the universe.

"We need to let in all the half reptile half insect half ape ayyyymaos from the Xxrkyrtnbaz system, they do the jobs earthlings don't want to do. They have such a wonderful culture too, sheeeeeeit listen to this phat beat it's the top single on their homeworld rn" *earrape mechanical buzzing ensues*

 

[DapperShark]

You just know that if there are a bunch of different alien species out there, and the government has secretly linked up with one of them, they will have chosen the niggers of the universe.

I mean if we're linking up with a more advanced alien civilization (melanated though they may be) it stands to reason we would be expecting some gibs , which would mean we were the real niggers all along.

 

[fukefacedog]

(At least some of them must be--Kammerzell questions Fravor's story.

He questions elements like the length of the video but agrees that the events occurred.

Something I didn't notice until I read the NDU paper: During the subcommittee hearing, a representative asked Fravor if the object he saw could have been a test article. Fravor said something like, "They have test ranges for that." But the Nimitz was in a test range:

In the first Congressional Hearing Senior Department of Defense Ronald Moultrie (USD(I&S)) and Scott Bray (Navy Intelligence) were asked about Blue on Blue, and had said that Deconfliction was exercised. David Fravor had also said that he would be briefed and asked to sign a NDA if he encountered a Black Project.

And the pilots were directed into an area where a submarine was conducting weapons tests

That certainly would offer a compelling explanation. I went and followed the citation and read the Executive Summary, it states:

The USS Louisville (SSN-724) is a Los Angeles-class nuclear fast attack submarines. She was operating in the vicinity of the USS Nimitz as part of the CSG during the detection and intercept of the AAV. According to former LT REDACTED now a civilian working for the US Navy, who was a qualified Submarine Officer onboard the Louisville in November 2004 during the AAV activity there were no unidentified sonar contacts in the vicinity of the aerial sightings or at anytime during the operations off the coast of California. The former commander of the USS Louisville, CAPT REDACTED confirmed that there was no anomalous undersea activity during this period. There was a live fire exercise conducted by the USS Louisville during the period of and in the vicinity of the AAV sightings; however, the weapon in use did not match the flight profile or visible characteristics of the AAV. Additionally any live fire would have been coordinated throughout the CSG and all air traffic would have been well aware of the launch and operation of the weapon system. Aircraft would not have been vectored for the intercept of a US Weapon in flight.

Based on the lack of detection of any unidentified sonar contacts it is highly unlikely that an AAV operated below the surface of the ocean; it is possible that the AAV demonstrated the ability to be cloaked or invisible to the human eye based on pilot reporting of the water disturbance with no visible craft. Based on the assessment of Mr. REDACTED if the AAV did operate underwater undetected it would represent a highly advanced capability given the advanced capability of our sensors.

The NDU Press article presents many compelling alternatives to the UAP hypothesis, and there are enough holes in the story that I think it could fill them without more evidence.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't think that the USA (or anyone else) can reverse engineer a FTL civilisation's craft, any more than an amazon tribe can reverse engineer a nuclear submarine.

Unless they are in cahoots with the UFOs and in that case how come they don't rule the world yet?

If the ruskies and chinks have their own alien friends, we would still see tge saucer space battle.

This feels like bluebook, or more like "Biden is senile, Hunter just smoked crack while jizzing on little Kelly and the ruskies are pushing our shit in, bring out the big distraction gun."

 

[Calandrino]

This feels like bluebook, or more like "Biden is senile, Hunter just smoked crack while jizzing on little Kelly and the ruskies are pushing our shit in, bring out the big distraction gun."

I can blissfully ignore all that stuff without any "distractions"... I just want to grill, and watch the skies/oceans

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I don't think that the USA (or anyone else) can reverse engineer a FTL civilisation's craft, any more than an amazon tribe can reverse engineer a nuclear submarine.

That could be a reason for discontent inside the Legacy Program.

I just want to grill, and watch the skies/oceans

Invite the aliens.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Combine all that shit with tech like this and you get weird crap.

the future in non-grimdark SF: like Star Trek and The Jetsons

future in reality: stuck on Earth in a technocratic dystopia?

 

[draggs]

I don't think that the USA (or anyone else) can reverse engineer a FTL civilisation's craft, any more than an amazon tribe can reverse engineer a nuclear submarine.

Unless they are in cahoots with the UFOs and in that case how come they don't rule the world yet?

If the ruskies and chinks have their own alien friends, we would still see tge saucer space battle.

This feels like bluebook, or more like "Biden is senile, Hunter just smoked crack while jizzing on little Kelly and the ruskies are pushing our shit in, bring out the big distraction gun."

I think our current knowledge is a bit better foundation for understanding ayyymao tech than an Amazon tribe's knowledge would be for understanding a nuclear submarine

For example, an Amazon tribe wouldn't even have theories about nuclear fission, or about electrolysis for providing oxygen for the crew while the sub is underwater for weeks or months at a time. We have all kinds of theories for how FTL travel could be possible, some of them are ridiculous, some are more or less far-fetched, but the main stumbling block is we don't have the equipment to test the more maybe plausible ones. If we got an example of true and honest ayyymao tech, we could more likely than not figure out how and why it works and eventually reproduce it

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I don't think that the USA (or anyone else) can reverse engineer a FTL civilisation's craft, any more than an amazon tribe can reverse engineer a nuclear submarine.

I think our current knowledge is a bit better foundation for understanding ayyymao tech than an Amazon tribe's knowledge would be for understanding a nuclear submarine

What if physics limits tech to not too different from current tech, and exponentially increasing knowledge means that limit is near?



Despite What You Might Think, Major Technological Changes Are Coming More Slowly Than They Once Did - Scientific American

Technological invention has slowed down dramatically, scientists warn | The Independent

 

[RACISM]

What if physics limits tech to not too different from current tech, and exponentially increasing knowledge means that limit is near?



Despite What You Might Think, Major Technological Changes Are Coming More Slowly Than They Once Did - Scientific American

Technological invention has slowed down dramatically, scientists warn | The Independent

Let's see if that Korean vapourware about room temperature superconductors passes the smell test. Supposedly being replicated now in a bunch of labs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LK-99

It all looks a bit to say the least, but if they do work out, then I'm pretty sure it will be able to be used in antigrav tech. check out the quantum locking stuff that's been out for a few years now. Needs super low temps at the minute, so it's been stuck in the lab, but this could change that.

 

[draggs]

What if physics limits tech to not too different from current tech, and exponentially increasing knowledge means that limit is near?



Despite What You Might Think, Major Technological Changes Are Coming More Slowly Than They Once Did - Scientific American

Technological invention has slowed down dramatically, scientists warn | The Independent

Then the ayyymaos aren't here, never were, and never will be, if the laws of physics impose hard limits that we've already almost reached

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

Let's see if that Korean vapourware about room temperature superconductors passes the smell test. Supposedly being replicated now in a bunch of labs.

yeah i have heard this as well, that many people have already claimed something is very wrong with the paper, that the people involved have a history of doing shit like this, and that its results are likely false/been manipulated

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Then the ayyymaos aren't here, never were, and never will be, if the laws of physics impose hard limits that we've already almost reached

Interstellar travel sans FTL is not something typical biological life can do easily, if at all. There can be both external and internal threats to an interstellar voyage.

an article I've linked to before: Interstellar Travel as Delusional Fantasy [Excerpt] - Scientific American

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Still, in the unlikely event that the starship made it all the way through interstellar space without hitting anything, without the crew members suffering mass sickness, hallucinations, or epidemic death, civil war, or descent into religious fanaticism or ordinary secular madness, what an embarrassment it would be for the voyagers to discover, upon reaching their coveted new home in space, Earth 2.0, that unfortunately it was already occupied by a race of intelligent aliens who were all too ready, willing, and able to protect their turf by blasting these intrusive space invaders to smithereens or, worse, vaporizing them into sheer nothingness.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I love the people who think "He swore an oath, he would be punished if he was lying," when their entire belief system is based on the idea that tens of thousands of people who swore oaths are violating them and killing people so they can let contractors overcharge the government to reverse engineer UFOs. Everyone else in the military and intelligence community is a liar liar pants on fire, but Major Autism is the paragon of honesty because everyone knows autistic people can't lie.

Edit: I screwed up his name. It's Todd, not David.

And everyone saying, "He's an intelligence officer, he's trained to discover the truth, we must believe him." I guess they don't remember Tenet's "slam dunk." And that was actually the result of a national intelligence estimate, a high-level analytic product put together by supposed experts. Grusch's rumors and innuendo are not quite at that level.

People acting like this guy wouldn't lie are fooling themselves lol. People in politics lie under oath all the time.