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What are the UAP?

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From what I recall from reading over several years, corporations have specifically bought up and held patents, in order to maintain their own business model. If technology ever got to the point where the consumerism economic model fell apart. Those corporations would be defunct overnight.

So I suspect we are further along technology wise than what is available publicly. Because if technology ever got to the point where a household could become virtually self sufficient, what power does then the government or banks hold over you?
 
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Because if technology ever got to the point where a household could become virtually self sufficient, what power does then the government or banks hold over you?
It could be possible that easy space travel is doable after all (like "non-Newtonian propulsion" really works), but tyranny wants this world to be a global concentration camp (and loony bin), so transportation technology isn't permitted to advance beyond stuff like cars, planes, and expensive risky rockets. On the other hand, such tech could be at the limits of what physics allows after all. In either case, looks like the inhabitants of this infernal world are marooned on this planet, at least for now.
 
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It could be possible that easy space travel is doable after all (like "non-Newtonian" propulsion really works), but tyranny wants this world to be a global concentration camp (and loony bin), so transportation technology isn't permitted to advance beyond stuff like cars, planes, and expensive risky rockets. On the other hand, such tech could be the limits of what physics allows after all. In either case, looks like the inhabitants of this infernal world are marooned on this planet. At least for now.

The conspiracy theory whistleblowers have said there's a unified theory between electromagnetism, gravitomagnetism, and consciousness, (as in the perception of time/space). Which is related to the Quantum Mechanical theory of that all matter is made up of increasingly complex vibrating energy grids at various frequencies.

Nikola Tesla — 'If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.'
 
The conspiracy theory whistleblowers have said there's a unified theory between electromagnetism, gravitomagnetism, and consciousness, (as in the perception of time/space).
In "Where No One Has Gone Before" of Star Trek TNG, it's implied that "space and time and thought aren't the separate things they appear to be" in the Star Trek world.
 
In "Where No One Has Gone Before" of Star Trek TNG, it's implied that "space and time and thought aren't the separate things they appear to be" in the Star Trek world.

Yeah the CIA Declassified Document on remote viewing from the 80's references the energy grid theory. Which strangely now is intersecting with the paranormal.
 
I said FTL aliens. And I really do think it would be hard to reverse engineer. I don't think we can easily reverse engineer something a civilisation with lets say 50.000 years head start of us can make, and it could be 5 million years.

But it could be a relatively lower tech von Neuman probe with Chat GPT 2.Ayy-Lmao that had been sent out in mass and just can withstand the million year journeys.

But that could have been lurking in the ocean for like 10 million years.

Honestly, a non malevolent FTL capable alien race we can't reverse engineer is propably the best option we got.

Because that means they are letting us live.
 
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To get the information from Grusch — who said he was unable to discuss specifics on what he told the Pentagon’s watchdog arm — lawmakers want to sit down with the former official in a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF) to get additional information from him.

The group has been blocked, however, by officials that have informed them that Grusch doesn’t currently have security clearance to discuss the issues in a SCIF, according to Burchett.
About the SCIF/clearance issue, which is suspicious for both sides but forget that for now.

Grusch has supposedly already given 11.5 hours total of secret testimony to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and IIRC two Senate committees as well.

To dodge the issue temporarily, how about the Reps enter into a SCIF with the ICIG, and read the transcripts of that testimony, or even watch footage of it if that exists, while asking the ICIG some questions?
 
An honest question.

Why is it that most people here are ready to denounce whatever government says as misinformation and propaganda, yet as soon as it confirms your suspicions and ideas some will believe it immediately? I dont buy the "under oath" thing either, politicians - especially burgers - will lie whenever knowing there would be no consequences.

Recently I saw a lot of people going "SEE? Government confirmed it, there were ayliums on earth!" From people who would instantly refuse anything gov says on any other topic. I just dont get it.
 
An honest question.

Why is it that most people here are ready to denounce whatever government says as misinformation and propaganda, yet as soon as it confirms your suspicions and ideas some will believe it immediately? I dont buy the "under oath" thing either, politicians - especially burgers - will lie whenever knowing there would be no consequences.

Recently I saw a lot of people going "SEE? Government confirmed it, there were ayliums on earth!" From people who would instantly refuse anything gov says on any other topic. I just dont get it.

Most people are just desperately bored and aliens are cool.

A friendly alien race is as close as atheists can get to a benevolent deity.

It beats them being in uncaring, hostile universe without mercy.

That said, I don't trust him nor the US government.
 
An honest question.

Why is it that most people here are ready to denounce whatever government says as misinformation and propaganda, yet as soon as it confirms your suspicions and ideas some will believe it immediately? I dont buy the "under oath" thing either, politicians - especially burgers - will lie whenever knowing there would be no consequences.

Recently I saw a lot of people going "SEE? Government confirmed it, there were ayliums on earth!" From people who would instantly refuse anything gov says on any other topic. I just dont get it.
To be fair, the government didn't confirm there are ayliums on Earth. A witness in a hearing did, then he danced around it by calling them "nonhuman intelligences" and "biologics," which isn't even the right word, before veering off into the holographic principle. But there hasn't been a Presidential Proclamation or a Concurrent Resolution of Congress or even a tweet from an official government account saying, "We celebrate our diversity #nhipride."
 
An honest question.

Why is it that most people here are ready to denounce whatever government says as misinformation and propaganda, yet as soon as it confirms your suspicions and ideas some will believe it immediately? I dont buy the "under oath" thing either, politicians - especially burgers - will lie whenever knowing there would be no consequences.

Recently I saw a lot of people going "SEE? Government confirmed it, there were ayliums on earth!" From people who would instantly refuse anything gov says on any other topic. I just dont get it.
The government isn't a monolithic entity. It's full of divisions and competing interests. The full story is only alluded to in the public hearing. Note this definition from the Senate amendment to the 2024 NDAA:
LEGACY PROGRAM.—The term "legacy program" means all Federal, State, and local government, commercial industry, academic, and private sector endeavors to collect, exploit, or reverse engineer technologies of unknown origin or examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence that pre-dates the date of the enactment of this Act.
Take the following with all the salt in the world if you want, but the narrative here is that the "government" (military) started getting crashed spacecraft around the 1940s, and some defense contractors started working on them. These efforts were later formalized as "special access programs" and specifically "unacknowledged special access programs" (USAPs). If you don't need to know, or don't know what to ask, you don't ever get to know. That applies to Presidents.

Maybe there's only a thousand people who are in the legacy program, and some of them don't even know they are working with alien materials. For comparison the Manhattan Project employed up to 130,000 people. There is discontent and slow progress inside the legacy program which has led to some whistle blowing, after "UAPs" started getting more mainstream attention in 2017. Even the people leading the program could be dissatisfied with the status quo, because it's a can of worms they inherited from men who died decades ago.

On the surface, Congress appears happy to discuss the UFO issue on a bipartisan basis right now, but there are definitely Senators and Representatives who want the discussion to go away. They're likely the ones getting the most campaign contributions from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc.

We don't need to trust what Grusch is saying. He's made falsifiable claims about the exact locations and personnel involved in the legacy program in his 11+ hours of testimony behind closed doors. Some of the people who talked to him have reportedly already testified. The claims can be investigated. Full alien Disclosure™ by the government, if it even happens, would be followed by demands for proof, and tard raging over what is provided.

Fake and gay psyop/distraction? Maybe. That's definitely the consensus over at places like ZeroHedge, home to some of the most jaded and paranoid people alive. Here's a good one, he wanted to believe, then "the government" said it was true! That is the true black-and-white brainlet take that is proliferating right now, and I'm sure it's the belief of the majority of KF users. Yes, confirmation bias is a thing, but it cuts both ways.

Edit: Would it increase or decrease trust in government, institutions, the media, and The Science if everyone in the world learned we were being lied to about the most consequential events in human history?
 
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Even the people leading the program could be dissatisfied with the status quo, because it's a can of worms they inherited from men who died decades ago.
I don't think this gets enough attention.

Very little of the Cold War culture is left in western society as whole. There was a paranoia and secrecy about Communism that is just... gone. Any vestiges are about Russia as a useful opponent or China as an economic adversary or turned inwards on domestic enemies; we don't have True Believers anymore. The military barely even thinks of itself as a military anymore.

The younger scientists are as oversocialized as the rest of us, I'm sure an entire secret career without qualifying for a Nobel or otherwise being recognized for their work is a tough sell when "to spite the commies" is no longer a satisfying motivation.
 
I don't think this gets enough attention.

Very little of the Cold War culture is left in western society as whole. There was a paranoia and secrecy about Communism that is just... gone. Any vestiges are about Russia as a useful opponent or China as an economic adversary or turned inwards on domestic enemies; we don't have True Believers anymore. The military barely even thinks of itself as a military anymore.

The younger scientists are as oversocialized as the rest of us, I'm sure an entire secret career without qualifying for a Nobel or otherwise being recognized for their work is a tough sell when "to spite the commies" is no longer a satisfying motivation.
Well, there's a lot of saber rattling over Russia and China, with China widely seen by the American public as an actual geopolitical opponent. That would increase if Taiwan is invaded. We would see more shortages and price hikes, and some level of US involvement in the ensuing conflict.


Experts and politicians disagree on whether there is a Cold War II going on, but in the context of UAPs, China and Russia probably have their own crash retrieval programs if the US does.


NewsNation special on UFOs beats LeBron James’ CNN series in ratings
 
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Most people are just desperately bored and aliens are cool.

A friendly alien race is as close as atheists can get to a benevolent deity.

It beats them being in uncaring, hostile universe without mercy.

That said, I don't trust him nor the US government.
The "US govt is saying muh UFOs are real" take is the most psyopped shit I've ever seen. Or maybe normies really are just that stupid.
The Pentagon, MSM and Congress are actively trying to make the whistleblowers seem like crazy people and politicians are openly calling them whackjobs.
Normies all across the board are uninterested in this and shouting from the rooftops how fake and gay it is and how they think "the government" acts as one single-minded single-interest entity, and apparently takes the form of two ex military guys.
This isn't distracting anyone from anything.
I'm just disappointed at how many utterly retarded takes I'm seeing about this. Normies literally can't think past their own egos.
Yes I'm mad at the internet.
 
I have under 30 neighbors who still believe shit bob Lazar says why do I bring this because people will believe almost anything that lines up with their interests
This lastest round of don't look here look over there goyops is a massive dog and pony show to draw attention away from the pedophiles currently failing upwards
 
The "US govt is saying muh UFOs are real" take is the most psyopped shit I've ever seen. Or maybe normies really are just that stupid.
The Pentagon, MSM and Congress are actively trying to make the whistleblowers seem like crazy people and politicians are openly calling them whackjobs.
Normies all across the board are uninterested in this and shouting from the rooftops how fake and gay it is and how they think "the government" acts as one single-minded single-interest entity, and apparently takes the form of two ex military guys.
This isn't distracting anyone from anything.
I'm just disappointed at how many utterly retarded takes I'm seeing about this. Normies literally can't think past their own egos.
Yes I'm mad at the internet.
Most UFOs and ayy abductions are probably just glowies being glowies. I think especially things like cattle mutilations and whatnot is the government doing prion research or something. Same goes for the handful of "abductees" who do manage to have strange surgical evidence. I think "oh, aliens did that" is better PR than "The feds abducted you and took your ovaries for reasons."

Granted, I do think there are a small number of sightings and events that really don't seem like something they're doing. But, still. The timing of all these hearings always seems to really coincidentally coincide with things like interest rate hikes or the son of the President's trial or the Clinton's being tried. It's really transparent.
 
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I don't think we can easily reverse engineer something a civilisation with lets say 50.000 years head start of us can make
I still think it's possible that the limits of technology that physics allows could be close, because tech progress appears to be slowing down despite exponentially increasing knowledge (also because physical reality seems to be severely limiting AKA boring).
 
The timing of all these hearings always seems to really coincidentally coincide with things like interest rate hikes or the son of the President's trial or the Clinton's being tried. It's really transparent.
Bullshit is happening constantly, like concurrent legal troubles for Trump and Hunter Biden, so people will say a UFO hearing is a distraction from something no matter what day it's held on unless it's a Christmas Day special. Hunter Biden specifically was said to get more coverage from the MSM networks than the last hearing. You also have Tim Burchett claiming that a bunch of procedural hurdles were thrown at the hearing to try to derail it before it began. While the hearing was bipartisan, it's coming out of a Republican-led House from people who aren't exactly friendly towards Biden (such as Burchett and Null's would-be representative Matt Gaetz). It's transparent: the believers and doubters are going to see whatever they want to see.

What matters is if it's real or not, and we probably won't see any developments for a while. When we do, we could see the biggest "distraction" yet.
 
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