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Then they'd be on Reddit complaining about how they wish that they could use a car instead, so they didn't have to deal with all these people on the train.
90% of them would be posting on /pol/ with a Confederate flag. Let's tell the truth about what would happen when these pozzed lanky soyim get around people who are immune to the critical studies force field. They will get called faggots, trannies, wyboi, they will get panhandled aggressively, they will get robbed or mugged, they will get white guilted into playing a shell game, they will not say anything when a troop of gorillas starts dancing to loud music, they will just seethe.
 
90% of them would be posting on /pol/ with a Confederate flag. Let's tell the truth about what would happen when these pozzed lanky soyim get around people who are immune to the critical studies force field. They will get called faggots, trannies, wyboi, they will get panhandled aggressively, they will get robbed or mugged, they will get white guilted into playing a shell game, they will not say anything when a troop of gorillas starts dancing to loud music, they will just seethe.
No, I don't think this will turn our soy-soaked brethren into raging Stormfags. It'll be worse: they're gonna gobble that shit down and then ask for seconds with the biggest shit-stained smile you've ever seen. It's NPC behavior, and they cannot be assed to stand up for themselves because they're so broken that they consider taking the abuse to be a holy duty instead of standing up to those poor widdle minorities who don't know better. Remember, we've had people refusing to report their rapist because it would mean a minority would go to jail, and a dad acting like his daughter's rape and murder at the hands of an Illegal Alien was an acceptable sacrifice to continue having taco trucks.
 
No, I don't think this will turn our soy-soaked brethren into raging Stormfags. It'll be worse: they're gonna gobble that shit down and then ask for seconds with the biggest shit-stained smile you've ever seen. It's NPC behavior, and they cannot be assed to stand up for themselves because they're so broken that they consider taking the abuse to be a holy duty instead of standing up to those poor widdle minorities who don't know better. Remember, we've had people refusing to report their rapist because it would mean a minority would go to jail, and a dad acting like his daughter's rape and murder at the hands of an Illegal Alien was an acceptable sacrifice to continue having taco trucks.
Sure, some of them. But it will redpill plenty of them. This is the other ticking time bomb with public transportation schemes. Once you build it and the hype wears off it's you and a pavement ape so high on PCP he might rape an 80 year old. It won't get them all, but it will open some eyes.
 
The Internet(tm) tells me that California is #2 in 2018 and #3 in 2022. Probably converted more land to Almonds.

As I recall California does a fair amount of exports to Asia as opposed to other states which serve more domestic needs.

But even 1 bushel of rice is still more useful than Los Angeles.

Talking about grain really illustrates how the "size comparison" urbanists do is basically useless, throwing out how X acres of parking/highway is comparable to the same X acres full of residential buildings, and implying that more people is better. At the same time, three acres of wheat or corn does a whole lot more good to a lot of people than three acres of subsidized apartment buildings in the ghetto, and economically, those people who live there, on average, definitely aren't pulling their weight by any measure.

This isn't to even to say that we should be tearing down anything for anything else. I've said it before--this isn't SimCity. You HAVE to room to expand, and population growth is NOT the thing you should strive for.
 
HN had their weekly Strong Towns circlejerk thread (Archive). Some highlights:

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So convenient!

A parent who previously lived in a walkable city tries to convince urbanists that cars are good for families:
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The urbanist tells him to go watch Not Just Bikes and admits that he doesn't have kids. He's even too lazy to link a specific video.
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OP counters by saying that in his European hometown, everyone who could afford a car bought one. The urbanist responds by saying that an apartment sized for a family costs a million euros in Paris, so anyone who has a family there could afford a car if they wanted one, they just don't use it by choice:
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Shows how out of touch they really are.

I don't even know how to describe this fictional wall of text:
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Hey, at least them not having children means the kids don't have to deal with the embarrassment of being the only kid in class without a car.

I used to cringe at my dad's insistence on picking us up from school in his autistic vintage cars (which as an adult I think was actually kinda based). I couldn't even imagine being a middle schooler and my parent picked me up on a cargo bike. I don't think you'd ever live that down without changing schools.
 
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It's hilarious watching them strawman bitch about this stuff; sure, developments happen but even in the most rural areas those are at most a mile on a side, and sure, they're sometimes five miles out of down, but they are not the only developments that occur! If you want, you can live a perfectly car-free life in many MANY places, and often a suburb is the best place to do so, if you're strategic about it.

Could that development 5 miles out of town be a bit better? Sure! Pave a bike path to it for all I care, but don't pretend it existing is somehow causing everything else to spread out.

The real problem they have to deal with is cars is simply much more convenient, even at the costing. Especially with kids, it's a mobile room that gives you a safe 'pressure release' valve if the kids are sick or being stupid shits or whatever.

I 100% am sure you could track down carfuckers and find them ranting about crying kids on planes or similar.
 
The urbanist responds by saying that an apartment sized for a family costs a million euros in Paris, so anyone who has a family there could afford a car if they wanted one, they just don't use it by choice:
Well at least they admit walkable cities are a heck of a lot more expensive, even in Europe. Although if an apartment costs a million euros, then no one owns a car because they can't fucking afford one.

This is such a blindingly obvious conclusion to make, the only person who could miss it would be an urbanist.
 
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Well at least they admit walkable cities are a heck of a lot more expensive, even in Europe. Although if an apartment costs a million euros, then no one owns a car because they can't fucking afford one.

This is such a blindingly obvious conclusion to make, the only person who could miss it would be an urbanist.
The guy is so out of touch that he thinks that most people buy their homes with cash rather than getting a mortgage. Someone who can pay a million dollars in cash on something can afford to spend a few tens of thousands on a car.

That’s not the majority of people though. A family of four where both parents earn the median income can barely afford to live in Paris:
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Also, the size of the Parisian 3 bedroom apartment used in that site’s calculations is 860 sq ft, which is tiny by American standards. The page says that the median cost for an apartment is $1359.70 per sq ft or $1.1 million for the 860 sq ft apartment.

So much for the urbanist line of “we don’t need skyscrapers, if we could just build midrises like Paris housing would be super affordable”. Meanwhile Houston is chilling with its median house value of $342k for >2000 sq ft and land.
 
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A parent who previously lived in a walkable city tries to convince urbanists that cars are good for families:
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The urbanist tells him to go watch Not Just Bikes and admits that he doesn't have kids. He's even too lazy to link a specific video.
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OP counters by saying that in his European hometown, everyone who could afford a car bought one. The urbanist responds by saying that an apartment sized for a family costs a million euros in Paris, so anyone who has a family there could afford a car if they wanted one, they just don't use it by choice:
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Shows how out of touch they really are.
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They really are incapable of thinking on their own...
 
Well at least they admit walkable cities are a heck of a lot more expensive, even in Europe. Although if an apartment costs a million euros, then no one owns a car because they can't fucking afford one.

This is such a blindingly obvious conclusion to make, the only person who could miss it would be an urbanist.
The answer is simple, build more homes so you aren't getting assraped for a shitty apartment. Then you'll have money not just for a car, but a big TV, a powerful PC, nice appliances, instead of living like a caveman where a cheap Chinese portable fan is a luxury. These people like paying up the ass for so little it makes me want to cry
 
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This is how a lot of people format arguments, make some almost-plausible strawmen argument, but then when you start poking holes in it, they'll cling to it and defend it to the ground.

I had a discussion with someone who's fairly apolitical but consumes a lot of this garbage and I had to tell him "no, housing is NOT expensive because the suburbs are exclusively single-family homes, MF apartments are built literally all the time."

And this isn't a new thing, either. The only reason why suburban apartment complexes aren't brought up is retards that bought into the memes and propaganda (doing your own research? Carbrain!!) or people who don't bring it up because it's inconvenient to the angle they want to push.
 
Something that I've been pondering about these left-style movements. Some of them piggyback on things that are actually popular and try to make them more extreme, but some are really pushing against the tide like vegans and some that just have terrible support like urbanism.

I guess some of the connection is funding. A little under ten years ago a lot of the "progressive" agitators almost completely stopped talking about anything environmental except how whatever they did would stop global warming and switched on a dime to this whole urbansim thing.

Part of why the troon movement has been taking so many Ls lately is they got way out past their popular support but act like they have 98% support. They're trying to skip the quiet background furniture in our existence phase, led by their screechy schizo online activists.
 
I feel that particular take was more satire than a real solution. He had a better point that a good ethnostate that isn't a complete shithole (think Haiti) will just end up attracting people to other it.

Cities can be improved 1000% by actually having leaders who aren't retarded and will actually lock up criminals. The problem is most of them are compromised with corrupt voting systems and too many people who are a net drain to the system. If cities were better, then people wouldn't flee and start up shitting the suburbs. The same principle applies to other countries. Fix your country at any cost, and then you wouldn't want to leave.
 
Commieblocks coming to Phoenix.

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The only question is how long until the first resident collapses due to heat while waiting for the bus.

I've covered that apartment complex here before.

It's just an off-campus college dorm marketed to urbanists. Ironically, since it's in an industrial area, it has fewer bugman-friendly businesses within walking distance than other student apartments closer to campus which have parking for residents. It also has parking for its retail because they were unable to find tenants without it:
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The only businesses it currently has are a convenience store (which the website claims is a grocery store; it's not) and an expensive Mexican restaurant. The only "coming-soon" businesses are a coworking space, bike shop, and a coffee shop. The average strip mall has more stores.

Also, they really crammed those apartments in close together and most people have a nice view of a wall. The only people with a decent view are those overlooking the parking lot.
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Their board members are the Cofounder/President of Lyft and the Cofounder/COO of DoorDash. Amazing that the people who like to blame nonexistent Big Auto and Big Oil funded propaganda for the popularity of suburbs have nothing to say about a taxi company and a food delivery company literally building a "neighborhood" that is dependent on their services:
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Also, despite them claiming that they save $20k per unit in construction costs by not building parking, they aren't passing those savings on to their residents. Their rent is quite high at >$1400 for a one bedroom which is more than many nearby apartments with parking. The neighboring buildings have rents in the $1100-$1300 range, with a lot around $1250.

These two quotes from the article sums up the whole development:
“Culdesac hits a whole bunch of philosophical and ideological buttons,” says Mark Stapp, a professor of real estate at Arizona State University. “Cities and towns love it and it sounds sexy to certain investors, but what we don’t know is how the market in general is going to react.”
In an effort to build goodwill with neighbors — and create buzz — Culdesac has been hosting a regular open-air market called Little Cholla since the early days of construction. [...] Cars streamed into Culdesac’s 100-spot guest lot until it overflowed and visitors began to park on nearby streets — turning Tempe’s first car-free neighborhood into a minor traffic jam.
Maybe those parking minimums exist for a reason and weren't created out of thin air? Great job externalizing your parking costs to your neighbors.

I also love that the tenant they profiled is an urbanist who moved to Phoenix because she believed the propaganda:
Sara Hoy, a 40-year-old consultant from Pennsylvania, was also among the first to move in. Hoy had never been to Phoenix when she first heard about Culdesac two years ago during an online event for college students looking to learn about social entrepreneurship.
By the way, what sort of 40-year-old hangs out at events aimed at college students?

After getting her bike stolen she discovered that the complex is in an industrial area and that public transit is a rolling homeless shelter:
Two weeks after moving in, her bike was stolen from an outdoor rack. Hoy describes it as the only bump in otherwise smooth experience, and one ameliorated by the free e-bike. The theft, she says, served as a lesson about the neighborhood, which is still in transition. There’s a UPS warehouse to the south, a tire shop to the west, an old hotel serving as a temporary homeless shelter to the east and more apartment buildings going up across the street to the north. The nearby light rail often serves as a rolling shelter for people looking to escape high temperatures.
She also "drives" because it turns out that it sucks to walk when it's 100 degrees out:
Hoy is also learning lessons about the heat. While she’s been relieved to discover that a dry Phoenix 96F isn’t too hot for a morning stroll, she’s also found herself hailing a car instead of biking or walking. “I'll just minimize the amount [of time] I’ll be outside,” she says of dealing with Phoenix summers.
 
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/r/fuckcars is very mad about Rishi Sunak (PM of the UK) backtracking on "low-traffic neighborhoods" (aka banning cars from large areas of cities and charging fees to leave one's "zone") after his party was trounced in the recent by-elections. The only Conservative candidate who won was one who campaigned on fighting against the expansion of London's Ultra Low Emissions Zone which charges people a daily fee of £12.50 to drive. The Conservatives have not been faiful to their voters and are panicking that they are going to lose the next election, so now they're now giving lip service to the people's concerns (I say lip service because in the same interview (archive) where he said he will review the LTNs, Sunak says they he remains committed to phasing out all gas cars by 2030 for "climate goals").

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It's a good thing that an unelected bureaucrat is abusing his powers to ban cars wherever he can:
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Completely ignoring why people don't like this plan:
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Hating on Thatcher:
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Reminder that it's the business owners and residents who are against LTNs; their supporters are all activists:
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The billionaires want everyone to drive a car (they totally don't want people to live and stay in "15 minute cities" and live in the pod):
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Calling for rail subsidies:
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Rishi, a man who commited to banning gas cars for "muh climate", is apparently a "climate change denier":
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