Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

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Incredible scenes on Australian 60 Minutes.

This is the Karl Stanley guy again, have a watch at 1:30 and then 4:20.

-At 1.30 - "He knew it was going to end like this...he quite literally and figuratively went out with the biggest bang in human history...and! who was the last person to murder two billionaires. At once. And have them pay for the privilege?".

Well, indeed.

-At 4.20 - "I think Stockton was designing a mousetrap for billionaires".

Interviewer - "Wow".

Quite(!).
Bloody hell. Big claims.
 
I think it says something positive about our level of technology that even a deathtrap of a sub built on the cheap by a person who could be the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect still managed to hold together for several trips to the bottom of the ocean before it finally fell apart.
 
I think it says something positive about our level of technology that even a deathtrap of a sub built on the cheap by a person who could be the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect still managed to hold together for several trips to the bottom of the ocean before it finally fell apart.
The quality of hobby supplies available at Hobby Lobby and Michaels is clearly much petter than it was 50 years ago.
 
On a final note, I have been reading into the aftermath of the Titanic sinking.

The Titanic for reference carried 20 lifeboats and so did its sister ship the Olympic.

About 3 days after the reported sinking, the White Star Line wanted to rush the Olympic right back into service with 20 extra scrapyard quality and rinky dinky lifeboats.

If it wasn't for a massive workers strike, that the White Star Line tried to suppress by having the strikers arrested for mutiny, we might have had another potential Titanic sinking because the RMS Olympic at the time had the same hull style. It wasn't reinforced until 3 or 4 months later.

The British agency in charge of sea travel in that era looked into the extra lifeboats and found 3 out of 4 of sea worthy but approved them anyways for sea travel

The White Star Line could have waited for extra lifeboats of better quality to arrive, but decided fuck it, the big ship sails now even though their star ship just sank 3 days ago with nobody not knowing till 1985 that the ship split into two.

Some things never do change lol.
 
On a final note, I have been reading into the aftermath of the Titanic sinking.

The Titanic for reference carried 20 lifeboats and so did its sister ship the Olympic.

About 3 days after the reported sinking, the White Star Line wanted to rush the Olympic right back into service with 20 extra scrapyard quality and rinky dinky lifeboats.

If it wasn't for a massive workers strike, that the White Star Line tried to suppress by having the strikers arrested for mutiny, we might have had another potential Titanic sinking because the RMS Olympic at the time had the same hull style. It wasn't reinforced until 3 or 4 months later.

The British agency in charge of sea travel in that era looked into the extra lifeboats and found 3 out of 4 of sea worthy but approved them anyways for sea travel

The White Star Line could have waited for extra lifeboats of better quality to arrive, but decided fuck it, the big ship sails now even though their star ship just sank 3 days ago with nobody not knowing till 1985 that the ship split into two.

Some things never do change lol.
Olympic may have actually earned the title "unsinkable" the hard way. The year before Titanic's loss she opened up her hull in a hauntingly similar way to Titanic, in a collision with British Cruiser HMS Hawke. Thankfully this happened in coastal waters near her home port, so she made it back to port without sinking. But it's what really should have been the warning to White Star Lines. Sadly White Star appear to have learned the wrong lessons from Olympic. She suffered a collision with a Warship equipped with a ramming bow. Had 2 large holes ripped in her and 2 of her watertight compartments flooded. Plus a propeller shaft bent. And she still made it safely home. Management took it as proof of their unsinkable design.

During WW1 she would go well outside her design specs. At one point attempting to tow a stricken and sinking British Battleship, and in her most spectacular collision, she deliberately rammed and sank the German U-boat U-103 before it could torpedo her, while carrying a full load of US Army troops from New York to Southampton. During a later refit they would find an unexploded torpedo lodged in her lower hull. Apparently from a different U-Boat, SM U-53.

You'll note that I said that that was the most spectacular of her collisions. Her oh so many collisions. Olympic rammed or bounced off a lot of things. Her final recorded collision was on her last Transatlantic crossing, Where true to form she hit the Nantucket Light Ship.

The third sister RMS Britannic was launched straight into WW1 and was immediately grabbed by the Crown for use as a Hospital ship. While ferrying patients in the Mediterranean she struck a mine. As fate would have it, while she normally operated under strict conditions of having all lower watertight doors closed and secured. There was a brief exception to this as the engine room shifts changed. They hit the mine precisely at that moment as the doors were opened. The resulting concussion warped a number of the watertight door frames, preventing the doors from being closed. And the flooding quickly became uncontrollable.
 
On a final note, I have been reading into the aftermath of the Titanic sinking.

The Titanic for reference carried 20 lifeboats and so did its sister ship the Olympic.

About 3 days after the reported sinking, the White Star Line wanted to rush the Olympic right back into service with 20 extra scrapyard quality and rinky dinky lifeboats.

If it wasn't for a massive workers strike, that the White Star Line tried to suppress by having the strikers arrested for mutiny, we might have had another potential Titanic sinking because the RMS Olympic at the time had the same hull style. It wasn't reinforced until 3 or 4 months later.

The British agency in charge of sea travel in that era looked into the extra lifeboats and found 3 out of 4 of sea worthy but approved them anyways for sea travel

The White Star Line could have waited for extra lifeboats of better quality to arrive, but decided fuck it, the big ship sails now even though their star ship just sank 3 days ago with nobody not knowing till 1985 that the ship split into two.

Some things never do change lol.
There was a huge outcry about Titanic not having enough lifeboats, but when you look at what happened during the sinking, they didn't even have time to get all the boats they did have in the water, the last couple of boats weren't even launched when the ship took her final plunge. One of them actually had to be cut free of the ropes and literally floated free as the ship went down underneath it.
Under the way the ship was set up, even if they had included the second row of lifeboats Andrews had accommodated into the design, theres just no way they would have had time to launch them all.
Modern lifeboats can be dropped very quickly, but going by the design of the Davits on Titanic (which were state of the art for 1912) and how they had to be hand cranked, there was no way to get them in the water quickly enough to launch enough boats for all passengers. Plus the angle the ship was going down at made it increasingly hard to launch boats as the sinking progressed

A number of things added up to make that night the disaster it was.
There are videos using Titanic - Honor and Glory and the complete 3D model of the ship that's built using the real plans, in a simulation of the sinking that's real time and takes the same amount of time to sink as the actual ship, and one thing I noticed is the ship took a long time, about 2 hours, to get to the point the bow began to dip under water, but from that point, where the water in the watertight compartments began to flow back over in a cascade failure type scenario and the ship began her final plunge, it only took less than 15 minutes from the bow going under water to the ship plunging, the pressure on the hull breaking her in half, and the final sinking.
It seemed almost oddly calm at first, but those final 15 minutes must have been terrifying, there was still around 1000 people on deck when Titanic began to finally founder, the mad rush to the stern, up a ship that's increasingly tilting under you, the ship snapping and breaking her back, the sheer height above the water (like an 8 story building) if you were lucky enough to get to the stern as the broken bow section began to drag the stern vertical and that final plunge into the North Atlantic so cold that night sailors from Carpathia noted there was fucking chunks of sea ice floating in it the next morning when they arrived to rescue the survivors (Carpathias Captain damaged his ships engine pushing all speed to get to Titanic in time, and had to swerve around several Icebergs on the way in her rush, its a miracle and some very canny seamanship she got there unscathed) all in pitch blackness on a moonless night when the ships power finally gave out... it must have been fucking horrifying to live through.
The cook in this scene that helps Rose get back to her feet is a real guy and was one of the few people who went into the water that survived the cold long enough to be rescued.
He was so full of Brandy the cold didn't effect him as badly. He managed to get all the way to the very stern of the ship and rode it right down as it sunk.
 
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What else will come out at this point? Can it get any more ridiculous?
This article is absolute trash. They link to a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fL7D_4IVxY) that post dates the implosion by a month and call it a "Demonstration video" when it looks like someone just let's playing it. I thought maybe this was originally an OceanGate video that got pulled but you can see the YouTuber's handle manning the vessel in the video. The Second Life marketplace listing for this actually links to the video too: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/OceanGate-Titan-Deep-Dive-14-touch/24954726?page=1

This suggests to me the marketplace item post dates the Titan implosion but annoyingly I don't see a "date created" thing on the listing and the Wayback Machine hasn't captured it. First review was from the 30th of June 2023.

They then quote a statement from OceanGate and link to LBC who provide literally nothing other than that quote which makes no specific mention of Titan. I searched for this statement and could find nothing other than other media sites regurgitating it.
We chose Second Life as our medium for this tour because it allows us to design high fidelity interactions between our audience, the submersible and the underwater environment. Our virtual environment gives our audience a strong sense of social and spacial presence through their interactions with the environment and their ability to communicate with one another in parallel.
I was almost certain this was the gay retarded media taking a fan mod and making some shit up (and that's mostly the case) but it turns out there is a nugget of truth.

Here's a magazine article from 2017 talking about OceanGate and some University of Washington class mapping out Cyclops 1 then turning it into a model in Second Life
One of the people involved in the project did a write-up too

So here's the order of events:
  1. Students make a Cyclops 1 model and some scripts as a school project in Second Life
  2. Years later the OceanGate Titan implodes
  3. Edgelord modder "^VENOM^" makes a Titan model and scripts a shipwreck journey
  4. Media asks OceanGate for a comment and they, likely assuming the media is talking about #1, just give a generic canned statement. (LBC article even quotes the PR rep mentioning Cyclops 1 which lends credence to this)
  5. Media writes article "OMFG OCEANGATE USES SECOND LIFE FOR TITAN LOLOLOL"
I fucking hate how dishonest the media is.

Edit: Looks like the guy yanked the Second Life listing and YouTube video. I tried uploading a 360p archive to the site twice but it keeps shitting itself so here's a YouTube mirror I put up
 
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There are a surprisingly large number of rich crazy and stupid people in the world.

Venus seems like a very horrible place to die in hopefully history can repeat here.
I know somebody who's convinced Venus is WAY better to send manned missions to instead of Mars (for a lot of reasons, but I suspect it's because he really hates Elon Musk because his DNC overlords told him it's okay to hate him now and Musk likes Mars). Funny thing: he isn't rich at all (but over-educated in STEM).

So to adjust @RodgerDodger 's quote, "There are a surprisingly large number of rich 'educated' crazy and stupid people in the world."
 
I know somebody who's convinced Venus is WAY better to send manned missions to instead of Mars (for a lot of reasons, but I suspect it's because he really hates Elon Musk because his DNC overlords told him it's okay to hate him now and Musk likes Mars). Funny thing: he isn't rich at all (but over-educated in STEM).

So to adjust @RodgerDodger 's quote, "There are a surprisingly large number of rich 'educated' crazy and stupid people in the world."
Its also a lot harder to land people on and get them back alive.
All the problems of Mars, but further away, pressure, heat, volcanic activity, corrosive atmosphere, storms...
Venus is a hell world.
 
Its also a lot harder to land people on and get them back alive.
All the problems of Mars, but further away, pressure, heat, volcanic activity, corrosive atmosphere, storms...
Venus is a hell world.
They are insane if they think they can survive landing on it, let alone lift off. I remember reading the probe sent onto the surface didn't last long. It literally liquified under the heat.


Oh and by the way Id like to add some more info about that titantic cook Charles Joughin.

Shatner did a show called the unexplained that examined odd cases and what they found out is that apparently nobody's been able to replicate or survive the amount of time he spent in that ice cold water while drunk. Normally you lose body core temperature when inebriated.

He walked off something that should have killed him 10 times over, without so much as frostbite.

Half the reason he survived was probably due to the fact he was able to ride the ship till it sank and floated without putting his head under the water. Something he himself said, but it doesn't explain how he was able to survive being submerged for longer then anyone else. at least 2 and a half hours. He didn't get pulled out until shortly before the Carpathia arrived. The only additional thing in his favor aside from freakishly good genetics was his absolute sense of calm.




Another thing I noticed, There's a lot of conflicting reports about the fate of Captain smith, with many seeing him go down with the ship and many seeing and hearing him alive after the fact. I have a theory as to why,

There's crossover with testimony on the fate of Thomas Andrews, and after piecing together every account of their last moments (at face value admittedly ) I came to the conclusion that Andrews attempted to save Captain smith from going down with the ship at the very last min.

My reasoning is based on accounts of Andew's last known location, with one witness saying he was going to save the captain directly, and one witness saying he was outside the bridge with the captain and jumped off shortly before it hit the water.

From then on I hypnotize Andrews died shortly, but Smith lived long enough to talk to some people and recommit to going down. It was a while back when I was going over this but if someone could cross check the accounts that would be cool.
 
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