General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[teriyakiburns]

Honestly this thread is honestly about a topic that honestly I'm honestly not going to honestly actually address honestly because I'm honestly trying to prove I'm honestly better than all of you. Honestly.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Honestly this thread is honestly about a topic that honestly I'm honestly not going to honestly actually address honestly because I'm honestly trying to prove I'm honestly better than all of you. Honestly.

It’s not that, I’m just tired of the transgender discussion here, it’s not about beliefs it’s like the only thing anyone talks about these days. People literally screech about it so much It becomes kind of odd. Like I’m getting sick of kf because of it and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Find something else to do with your lives, they are not the only degenerate group in the world, they are still a pretty small portion of society that have been artificially enchanced in importance from being terminally online 24/7 .

The ones that stay offline are normally okay and don’t seem like the same types of shitheads like keffals and Liz Dong and all the trans lolcows you’d see posted here.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

When you're shitposting on normie social media, you'll get assblasted for misgendering people, even the people that honestly don't deserve having their identity affirmed. "They" is polite non-compliance [...]

Since I don't do "social media", I normally only use "they/them" -- to refer to a single being -- when the sex "gender" is unknown.

I guess if I were among SJWs (or in a "social climate" where "misgendering" is frowned on) I could use "they/them" "pronouns" more.

 

[The Batman]

based trans

There's no such thing.

normal trans

Nothing like that exist either.

 

[thegooddoctor]

There's no such thing.

Nothing like that exist either.

Some do, some don’t even care about pronouns believe it or not, not all trans people are nuts in the same way the worst ones are. Not all of them are predators or a danger to society

 

[Surfin Terf]

Some do, some don’t even care about pronouns believe it or not, not all trans people are nuts in the same way the worst ones are. Not all of them are predators or a danger to society

They are, by definition, nuts. Nutty people can be based, but not if they absolutely refuse to recognize that they're nuts.

 

[thegooddoctor]

They are, by definition, nuts. Nutty people can be based, but not if they absolutely refuse to recognize that they're nuts.

Believe it or not not all trans people make it their central focus they have other interests other than pervy shit. I imagine the vast majority is not okay with child grooming, pedophilia, gross shit. They are still people. If they act mature and don’t seem like a threat than they should be treated like anyone else.

 

[Surfin Terf]

Believe it or not not all trans people make it their central focus they have other interests other than pervy shit. I imagine the vast majority is not okay with child grooming, pedophilia, gross shit. They are still people. If they act mature and don’t seem like a threat than they should be treated like anyone else.

If you think you are in the wrong body you are a nut. If you are willing to undergo experimental medical procedures for no good reason then you're a nut.

 

[thegooddoctor]

If you think you are in the wrong body you are a nut. If you are willing to undergo experimental medical procedures for no good reason then you're a nut.

What is the cure for feeling bad then? There is no way that trans people can just ‘feel’ anything else can they? This is the equivalent of telling a depressed person to ‘be happy’ it is incredibly complicated and thsi idea that they should just cope is impractical and unhelpful.

 

[NerdShamer]

What is the cure for feeling bad then

I heard that grass has this magical property of releasing essential endorphins within your brain whenever you said down and gently rub the palm of your left hand over it; but not your right one, because that'll release and lethal combination of adrenaline and testosterone that'll eventually turn you into an misanthrope.

There is no way that trans people can just ‘feel’ anything else can they?

You ever heard of that breed of furries who wanted to become animals? Like that banker who unironically wanted to be an lizard or that fat guy who had an lot of plastic surgery to be an tiger?

This is the equivalent of telling a depressed person to ‘be happy’ it is incredibly complicated and thsi idea that they should just cope is impractical and unhelpful.

Wow, have they tried not being an pedophillic coomer?

 

[thegooddoctor]

I heard that grass has this magical property of releasing essential endorphins within your brain whenever you said down and gently rub the palm of Furry your left hand over it; but not your right one, because that'll release and lethal combination of adrenaline and testosterone that'll eventually turn you into an misanthrope.

You ever heard of that breed of furries who wanted to become animals? Like that banker who unironically wanted to be an lizard or that fat guy who had an lot of plastic surgery to be an tiger?

Wow, have they tried not being an pedophillic coomer?

Gender dysphoria is a real thing, it is a proven mental health phenomena that many people do genuinely experience, you are being deliberately obtuse and using the worst examples imaginable to prove your point it’s ridiculous. Not every furry is a coombrain and not very fucking trans person is a lolcow. Many have themsleves probably been the recipient of a lot of admittedly shorty abuse and bullying which they may not always deserve.

Hell, some of them may have even been groomed themselves and ar e possible rape victims who if so really it isn’t fair to blame them for something so horrible forced upon them. Telling them they’re all as bad as each other and being as vile as possible when really it is just the result of some admittedly really foul few lolcows in the trans/furry communities does not represent transgender rep as a whole.

 

[NerdShamer]

Gender dysphoria is a real thing, it is a proven mental health phenomena that many people do genuinely experience, you are being deliberately obtuse and using the worst examples imaginable to prove your point it’s ridiculous.

Look, my point is that there really isn't an practical, long-term method of dealing with that. Sure, they can go all the way and get an irreversible surgery and hormones; but how would they be feeling, afterwards within an society that already low-key hates them for being obnoxious?

Not every furry is a coombrain and not very fucking trans person is a lolcow. Many have themsleves probably been the recipient of a lot of admittedly shorty abuse and bullying which they may not always deserve.

True, but there's an few hundred that fits the criteria; but there's hardly any damage control beyond silently ignoring the elephant in the room.

Hell, some of them may have even been groomed themselves and ar e possible rape victims who if so really it isn’t fair to blame them for something so horrible forced upon them.

Then why not use it as an opportunity to break the cycle instead of just blaming it on some psych issues and letting do whatever they want?

Telling them they’re all as bad as each other and being as vile as possible when really it is just the result of some admittedly really foul few lolcows in the trans/furry communities does not represent transgender rep as a whole.

I was mainly talking about how a few cows refuse to change their ways, despite the exceedingly real legal consequences and we have someone got by two different catfishing stings who raised the issue with police. The legal system worked the way it's supposed to and now there's another entry to the ever-growing list of some random pedo who happens to be LGBT that fell for the bait. Now one could say that it's entrapment, but the warning signs for it have been around for years and it takes an conscious effort to actually interact with them

 

[Surfin Terf]

Gender dysphoria is a real thing, it is a proven mental health phenomena that many people do genuinely experience

Gender dysphoria is deep dissatisfaction with your gender and its only criteria as a condition (previously known as Gender Identity Disorder) is to have the symptom of gender dysphoria without an external cause. There is absolutely no reason that we couldn't extend this to a symptom called species dysphoria and a condition called Species Identity Disorder which would cover furries. Or to people who want to swell up and turn into giant blueberries. Or any form of deep dissatisfaction that a person may feel with reality for some unknown reason.

But we don't do that for anything other than gender because dipshit retards like you insist that everyone else needs to cater to gender nuts and their broken brains instead of teaching them to live with reality because that's the only reasonable way to handle dysphoria and it works for literally everyone else.

Fuck off with that appeal to emotion, the only emotion that you're evoking in me is contempt.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Or any form of deep dissatisfaction that a person may feel with reality for some unknown reason.

The treatment for any other form of body dysmorphia is therapy, to learn to accept the disjunction between mind and body and live with reality as it is, rather than wasting time and energy fixating on the . I have never truly understood why sex dysmorphia gets treated differently.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Gender dysphoria is deep dissatisfaction with your gender and its only criteria as a condition (previously known as Gender Identity Disorder) is to have the symptom of gender dysphoria without an external cause. There is absolutely no reason that we couldn't extend this to a symptom called species dysphoria and a condition called Species Identity Disorder which would cover furries. Or to people who want to swell up and turn into giant blueberries. Or any form of deep dissatisfaction that a person may feel with reality for some unknown reason.

But we don't do that for anything other than gender because dipshit retards like you insist that everyone else needs to cater to gender nuts and their broken brains instead of teaching them to live with reality because that's the only reasonable way to handle dysphoria and it works for literally everyone else.

Fuck off with that appeal to emotion, the only emotion that you're evoking in me is contempt.

About 9-10 years ago in a gun forum, some tranny decided to announce himself, the general response was somewhere between "nobody cares" and "nobody cares, fag", he insisted he had every right to exist and science actually backed being a troon etc etc. In response I told him I was actually a dog, a male dog and I was to be referred to as "sire", I was also to be allowed all the social acceptance of being a dog including shitting on strangers lawns, randomly pissing on things barking at people etc etc. I said just because similar beings did not occur in nature was no reason to question my existence, and more importantly any argument he made he was actually a woman was just as applicable I was a dog. He tried to act like there was some justification he was in fact a woman that could not apply to I was actually a dog but, after a while he realized there was no argument that did not apply to one and not the other. A man becoming a woman was simply as stupid and unrealistic as a man becoming a dog. A man becoming a dog was universally regarded as laughable and simply not even open to debate. However, we as society greased the slope way to fucking much and we are sliding towards trans-species and other equally fucking retarded concepts such as trans-ageism.

 

[Power Appreciator]

Believe it or not not all trans people make it their central focus they have other interests other than pervy shit. I imagine the vast majority is not okay with child grooming, pedophilia, gross shit. They are still people. If they act mature and don’t seem like a threat than they should be treated like anyone else.

"Trans people"?

You are using made up words that were put in your mouth without your volition probably not unlikely the penis of your uncle when you were a kid. I'm sorry you were molested you fucking faggot. This whole "trans people" shit is a completely made up nonsense and everyone who buys into it whether by actually trooning or supporting it is a retard. That's it, you're just stupid. You're buying into a silly prank where the jews are making men cut off their dicks and wear dresses because they think it's funny.

 

[AnOminous]

However, we as society greased the slope way to fucking much and we are sliding towards trans-species and other equally fucking retarded concepts such as trans-ageism.

They can go ahead, do that shit. I don't care. But when they do it in public they have no right to silence anyone who says they're a fucking nutcase idiot and mocks their freakish appearance and bizarre behavior. And if they try to mindfuck kids with their deranged bullshit, they should get the rope.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Look, my point is that there really isn't an practical, long-term method of dealing with that. Sure, they can go all the way and get an irreversible surgery and hormones; but how would they be feeling, afterwards within an society that already low-key hates them for being obnoxious?

Well that’s the problem then? Kiwi farmers believe that simply ‘coping’ being trapped with feelings of clearly profound anxiety and body dysmorphia and learning to just ‘accept’ their situation is not a healthy or practical one. There have been cases of people transitioning after HRT or full on gender surgeries afterwards that have on occasion benefitted emotionally and are ‘happier’ afterwards. Many aren’t.

The problem is there is no easy solution to this issue, if trans people simply follow kiwi users advice of simply getting therapy and ‘coping’ this isn’t a sure fire way this will work either. The feelings of anxiety and body dysmorphia will still persist and could grow more agonising by the day. Dealing with anxiety through sheer coping and force of will without any proper medication or coping skills is simply not a good idea in the long run and simply 'coping' is ludicrous.

Like I f they are going out of their way to harm others through grooming, paedophilia, sex trafficking that is objectively horrible stuff which should be punished. But a lot of the stuff that kiwi farms criticises Transmen and women for like looking ugly, not passing well or being creepy or being obsessed with porn. These are not bad or sinful things in of themselves and are more simply matters of taste rather than objectively bad concepts themselves.

What I mean by this is that if you want to criticise trans people for illegal and horrible shit I get that, being obnoxious, invading women's spaces and being a general cunt that is obviously bad. But some of the shit we go after them for simply being ugly or merely not passing well is really superficial unpleasant and cheap insults that really lessen any serious discussion of the more actual dangerous things trans people can do.

If someone is genuinely a nice and laid back person and just happen to have gender dysphoria and identifies as the opposite gender and prefers to go by certain pronouns, I would be polite to them and call them whatever they wished if I thought they weren’t being a dick about it and wasn’t causing harm. Self ID as a concept is not an inherently bad idea, it’s just when the trans community take it to a ridiculous extreme and get upset if people misgender them or get really pissy about ridiculous rules that’s when they go too far. The average transwomen wanting to be called she/her/they xe whatever just out of preference is fine on it’s own

Honestly I almost feel tempted to side with some transgenders sometimes, not because I support them but because kf can be unusually schizo and horrible (telling people to 41% isn't exactly a kind thing to do) and people here already have pretty staunchly strange views anyway and are so hostile and mean sometimes even by normal person standards, that I look at the ones that haven’t done anything wrong and feel ´yeah we’re cunts too, nobody deserves this treatment’ merely out of spite.

 

[AssignedEva]

People literally screech about it so much It becomes kind of odd. Like I’m getting sick of kf because of it and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Find something else to do with your lives, they are not the only degenerate group in the world, they are still a pretty small portion of society that have been artificially enchanced in importance from being terminally online 24/7 .

You're in a thread called "general transgender discussion". If you are tired of how much the farms talks about trans people, just go into any of the lolcow threads that aren't about a transgender lolcow, or any of the general discussion threads that aren't about trans people. There's certain things I don't like reading about or dislike the farm's tone on those topics, so I just avoid those threads. It isn't difficult.

It just happens some of the most popular lolcows are trans, or have recently transitioned. People have a lot to say about the various terminally online trans cows. I started using the farms again mostly because of the Aimee Challenor debacle where it turned out a group of paedophile tranny jannies were grooming teenagers on reddit in collaboration with reddit, which sounds like a made up conspiracy theory but is actually what happened.

Like I f they are going out of their way to harm others through grooming, paedophilia, sex trafficking that is objectively horrible stuff which should be punished. But a lot of the stuff that kiwi farms criticises Transmen and women for like looking ugly, not passing well or being creepy or being obsessed with porn. These are not bad or sinful things in of themselves and are more simply matters of taste rather than objectively bad concepts themselves.

What I mean by this is that if you want to criticise trans people for illegal and horrible shit I get that, being obnoxious, invading women's spaces and being a general cunt that is obviously bad. But some of the shit we go after them for simply being ugly or merely not passing well is really superficial unpleasant and cheap insults that really lessen any serious discussion of the more actual dangerous things trans people can do.

This is a website for laughing at idiots on the internet. It literally started, as well you know, out of laughing at Chris-Chan. There might be a lot of seething and theorising but it is first and foremost a gossip website.

For example, when I make a post about PhilosophyTube squeezing himself into an ill fitting latex bikini and eye fucking himself in the camera:

I am not predominately doing it because I have something deep and meaningful to say about the right to individual liberty and the facilitation of relief for individuals experiencing gender dysphoria while counterbalancing the desire to protect single sex spaces for women and ensuring that the needs of others are respected in a holistic way. I am doing it because Ollie looks stupid and I am laughing at him.

If someone is genuinely a nice and laid back person and just happen to have gender dysphoria and identifies as the opposite gender and prefers to go by certain pronouns, I would be polite to them and call them whatever they wished if I thought they weren’t being a dick about it and wasn’t causing harm. Self ID as a concept is not an inherently bad idea, it’s just when the trans community take it to a ridiculous extreme and get upset if people misgender them or get really pissy about ridiculous rules that’s when they go too far. The average transwomen wanting to be called she/her/they xe whatever just out of preference is fine on it’s own

Is this supposed to be groundbreaking? Pretty much everyone on here is going to be polite and call someone by their preferred pronouns (besides a certain fringe, but they'll still respect pronouns because you basically need to in order to remain in employment). Shock horror, many of us are sympathetic to some trans people or even have transgender friends (although I'll admit I was rattled when several of them doubled down and started definding Naomi the chestfeeding tranny who's trying to induce lactation so he can put hormone pus in his stolen baby's bottle).

The main reason you see so much trans sperging on here is because lots of lolcows are trans, and also because even fairly milquetoast opinions like "I don't think everyone who claims to be trans is telling the truth, some of them are perverts looking to prey on women", "I think children are too young to meaningfully consent to any sort of hormone treatment and would likely grow out of dysphoria, and the push to encourage children onto puberty blockers and hormones is largely being done by predatory trans people on online spaces" or "trans women shouldn't compete in women's sports" is enough to get you pushed off the internet.

 

[Ser Prize]

Gender dysphoria is deep dissatisfaction with your gender and its only criteria as a condition (previously known as Gender Identity Disorder) is to have the symptom of gender dysphoria without an external cause. There is absolutely no reason that we couldn't extend this to a symptom called species dysphoria and a condition called Species Identity Disorder which would cover furries. Or to people who want to swell up and turn into giant blueberries. Or any form of deep dissatisfaction that a person may feel with reality for some unknown reason.

But we don't do that for anything other than gender because dipshit retards like you insist that everyone else needs to cater to gender nuts and their broken brains instead of teaching them to live with reality because that's the only reasonable way to handle dysphoria and it works for literally everyone else.

Fuck off with that appeal to emotion, the only emotion that you're evoking in me is contempt.

I feel a deep dissatisfaction with my race and deeply admire hunter gather native american ancestors. This means I am trans racial and deserve to be treated as if I have native ancestry.