I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[Vesperus]

A thought @Null - if you are just bouncing around in customer services, could you track down a member of their legal team? I don't have LinkedIn, but could one be found that way?

You might get a more thoughtful answer.

 

[Trianon]

I was reading up on Leah Remini suing Scientology, and a big part of her lawsuit is how the church engaged in tortious interference by trying to get her podcast dropped every time she had a new contract. According to the suit, the church had a hand in efforts to get people to harass all the advertisers, executives, and podcast producers "until those producers grew so fearful that iHeartMedia made the decision to terminate the relationship with Ms. Remini to protect its employees and agents, even though the show was successful in ratings."

They did the same harassment campaign when she was contracted to make a new podcast for AudioBoom, insinuating to the advertisers that they would be sued for defamation if they continued supporting the podcast. As advertisers pulled support, the church then used the list of withdrawn ads to convince other advertisers that they were doing the right thing.



She is able to prove a direct link because AudioBoom informed her in writing that they dropped the podcast as a result of the intimidation.



It will likely be tricky to nail them down on this if they can retreat to people exercising their free speech, but having it in writing that the company could not continue to work with her because of "intimidation" is huge. The fact that they threatened not just the company she had a contract with but every advertiser and incidental connection will also help her prove that it was an organized, defamatory campaign using the excuse of going after "hate."

Very similar tactics for LFJ's campaign, which also uses defamatory claims in private correspondence to target contractual services. You just need people to admit they're being targeted, which is difficult when the very reason they withdrew services is because they're scared. I would guess that Remini probably had some clause in her contract guaranteeing an explanation if her contract was terminated, which may be the only way to elicit this kind of information.

 

[Chubby Checker]

Idk if this is the right thread, but apparently forcing ISPs to block IP addresses is against net neutrality if it happens to IPs belonging to Cloudflare:
https://torrentfreak.com/ip-address...nti-piracy-court-order-hit-cloudflare-230811/ (A)

 

[Null]

Idk if this is the right thread, but apparently forcing ISPs to block IP addresses is against net neutrality if it happens to IPs belonging to Cloudflare:
https://torrentfreak.com/ip-address...nti-piracy-court-order-hit-cloudflare-230811/ (A)

good luck getting me a public IP in Osterreich, the gayest country in Europe.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Really, though? I'm pretty sure if we were packed full of hardcore cp they wouldn't need to wait for anyone to be found guilty of it, they could just unplug us on the grounds of "That looks super illegal to us".

Gonna disagree on general principle here. If we were packed to the Gunwhales with CP the appropriate response is not to deny our service, it's report us to the fucking police.

Incidentally, in their response to the AG of Washington, Hurricane Electric said we were doing criminal acts. I trust if they honestly believed this, like the good citizens they are, Hurricane Electric filed a formal police report with the appropriate authorities.

 

[dustbuster]

Null's latest post above has given me a brilliant idea.
Null, I think it's time.
You need to come out already.
You WERE transitioning, then decided you weren't trans after all and de-transitioned.
This puts you in the same category as Chloe Cole and explains the massive campaign of hate crime against you and your site.

It must have been hard
Now it's time to appeal to the minority protection laws of Osterreich

 

[ForTheHoard]

good luck getting me a public IP in Osterreich, the gayest country in Europe.

Are second hand sales of these things possible, like a straw purchase? Someone else buys it then either gives you control or transfers ownership.

 

[Null]

Are second hand sales of these things possible, like a straw purchase? Someone else buys it then either gives you control or transfers ownership.

It doesn't matter because Austria has extremely anti 1a laws.

 

[Dea Tacita]

SirFoxy of lowendbox.com, distinguished disinformation scientist and writer of Kiwi Farms, the Infamous Alt-Right Hate Forum, Might Be off the Clearnet for Good, seems to have been caught trying (and failing?) to dox someone.

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[Wodanaz]

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I said those things as a user of the site, and someone who actually likes it, but not the abuse that comes from it. If that makes any sense... I, like many others likes what makes KF what it is: the people. But then you have the bad apples... namely Josh with his really strange targeting of trans people and his regular taunting of anyone who objects to his actions, even though they are inherently illegal.
If you want to be a fully legal community then you need to remove all personal feelings from administrative decisions, and you need to let the community be run autonomously, without you making any major decisions that could impact the community's future on the clearnet.
Josh is doing exactly what any dictator would do, in my opinion... he keeps talking about free speech, but then he also keeps taunting people who could in fact be the victims of some of the KF users. Like I said before, not all KF users are psychos, but some are... same could be said for any community, and at least when it comes to KF... they run amok.

I'd beg to differ.
Due process exists for lawful entities, but if you are a criminal entity you are entitled to no such thing. In other words, they won't bother sending you requests asking you to moderate your site if they know that you won't. They will just remove you from their network, and when it just so happens that you actually not only embrace the infamy, but also sic your users on people advocating for your site to be shut down, well... at that point you are in fact an actual criminal entity, and not because of the majority, but rather because of the few users that believe that "everything" is free speech, even though it's not.
Commentary is fine, but when you go out of your way, bribe or otherwise illegally access information pertaining to someone and then publish it, it's not free speech... it's targetted harassment.
I think he approached the issue from a criminal's point of view, and not that of a citizen.

lel what a fuckin retarded queer. due to the laws of clown world, this nigger will end up having authority over these issues in the years to come. let us hope and pray that he commits suicide before that.

 

[AIKA]

Null's latest post above has given me a brilliant idea.
Null, I think it's time.
You need to come out already.
You WERE transitioning, then decided you weren't trans after all and de-transitioned.
This puts you in the same category as Chloe Cole and explains the massive campaign of hate crime against you and your site.

It must have been hard
Now it's time to appeal to the minority protection laws of Osterreich

Queen Josie Luna is gonna lead us to victory.

 

[JoshPlz]

SirFoxy of lowendbox.com, distinguished disinformation scientist and writer of Kiwi Farms, the Infamous Alt-Right Hate Forum, Might Be off the Clearnet for Good, seems to have been caught trying (and failing?) to dox someone.

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Thanks for archiving properly. Threads about KF on LEB tend to be closed or disappeared to member-only areas quickly.

SirFoxy has to be one of the most malicious but also incompetent actors that I have ever seen. It's so aggressively obvious and disingenuous that it's ultimately detrimental to what he's trying to do. It's palpable how hateful and emotionally invested he is.
I wonder if the administration regrets hiring and paying him money yet. He's making the whole website look unprofessional.

It's kinda hilarious how he immediately does what he accuses KF and Null of when given the chance. I guess it's fine when the right people do it.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

From the archive:

even though they are inherently illegal.

But they are not.

Due process exists for lawful entities, but if you are a criminal entity you are entitled to no such thing

That’s literally not true in US or Europe. For US (as KF is an US entity) see the Sixth Amendment.

 

[xn--mck1c]

Altes: (Page 2)
The illegal parts are the following:
[...]
Allowing non-consensual pornography (just because it's from OnlyFans, or any other website doesn't mean you or your users were ever given consent for it) and then upon receiving a legal complaint deciding to restrict it to logged in users opened him up to so much legal liability that it's not even possible to be saved from should it ever go to court.
[...]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.86.010

Disclosing intimate images.
[...]
(3) This section does not apply to:
(a) Images involving voluntary exposure in public or commercial settings; or
(b) Disclosures made in the public interest including, but not limited to, the reporting of unlawful conduct, or the lawful and common practices of law enforcement, criminal reporting, legal proceedings, or medical treatment.

(4) This section does not impose liability upon the following entities solely as a result of content provided by another person:
(a) An interactive computer service, as defined in 47 U.S.C. Sec. 230(f)(2);
[...]

 

[dustbuster]

Regardless of the "disclosing intimate images" portion of the law, that must be rendered by a court before HE can claim the activity is illegal.
HE is not a judge, a jury, or an executioner, although I'd love to see such a decision handed down granting corporations the power to convict citizens uniltaterally so we can complete the cyberpunk dystopia and move on to "pirate radio" type forums hosted on redundant drones that hide in the eyes of hurricanes.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Regardless of the "disclosing intimate images" portion of the law, that must be rendered by a court before HE can claim the activity is illegal.

I believe once an image is made public by the author it can't be considered revenge pornography - legally it's as any other image and the same laws apply to it.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Some states have "Right to Forget" laws that I think allows them to make openly posted images the author deletes still count as revenge porn.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

It will likely be tricky to nail them down on this if they can retreat to people exercising their free speech, but having it in writing that the company could not continue to work with her because of "intimidation" is huge.

I listened to Josh on the Heterodorx podcast over the weekend, where he recounted again that he doesn't even get a termination of service notice when the providers drop the site, let alone a reason why or documentation of the harassment.

He also mentioned that copies of third party complaints are never provided by the tech companies when requested upon termination of service.

There's also the factor that the different companies being targeted are in many different countries. Josh mentioned that simply requesting and collating the evidence of the harassment in so many different jurisdictions would cost hundreds of thousands in legal fees.

There's also the fact that these companies stop returning your metaphorical phonecalls the second that they decide to sever business ties with KF.

 

[dustbuster]

Some states have "Right to Forget" laws that I think allows them to make openly posted images the author deletes still count as revenge porn.

To my knowledge this is EU only.
"right to forget" is a warm euphemism given to "you will take down your report on my corruption or go to jail".
Any such law in the USA would be DOA, at least at the supreme court, on appeal.

Regarding the sudden and unannounced recission of services.
Laws WILL have to come for this sooner or later.

The main differential between the first and third world is that in the third world, people are subject to random shutdown, property seizure, etc that prevents economic stability.

We don't allow this for brick & mortar businesses or rental properties.
The presence of these laws and practices in meatspace is what allowed the west to rise to first world status in the first place.
Either the laws will be written or the west will fall.

 

[Flamin Park]

Am I retarded or is Brianna wu's thread gone? Can't find it