Bob Chipman / Robert Lewis Chipman / MovieBob / Game OverThinker - "Coastal Elite Thinker" who wants conservatives, Christians and manual workers eradicated. Universally ignorant; cannot tell reality from sci-fi. Sore loser with short fuse. Odious Disney shill. Tranny chaser and general creep. Fat and diabetic.

[Flexo]

AI art isn't stealing any more than fanart is. Unless you are passing off AI content and organic, or you set out to specifically emulate someone's else style without making it clear it is so (and for profit makes it worse), it isn't stealing and it will never be. You can't just claim a entire style, and if you did you would quickly fall into less of a slipery slope and more of a black hole of copyright madness of what counts as a "style" and "artistic interpretations" and shit Bob.

I was literally talking about this with a friend last night and pointed out that part of the existing law is that we can't ever really be sure or prove that artist X stole from artist Y or just happened to have parallel inspiration. However with AI it can be literally taced and proven whether something was used by checking the presence of it in the database.

Note I'm not saying this as any evidence of pro or con, just that the law could still see a legal distinction in these cases.

 

[Individualism Incarnate]

You hit the nail on the head, Bob simply doesn't care about anything outside of Disney, the pretends he does. He doesn't have that passion for the medium like people do, he doesn't go beyond his range to try new types of comic book characters, or any type of characters that aren't woke, or from the fucking mouse.

WB had a strong grasp in animation around the late 90s to late 2000s. The sole reason you will never see this is because Bob hates WB for being competition for Disney, and Marvel.

Don't forget that a big part of the Warner TV Empire is Cartoon Network.

 

[The Fatriarchy]

I was literally talking about this with a friend last night and pointed out that part of the existing law is that we can't ever really be sure or prove that artist X stole from artist Y or just happened to have parallel inspiration. However with AI it can be literally taced and proven whether something was used by checking the presence of it in the database.

Note I'm not saying this as any evidence of pro or con, just that the law could still see a legal distinction in these cases.

In the future, I think it would be a good idea if AI-generated images, and maybe to a lesser extent text, would be able to output a list of sources relating to the training data used. It might be impossible for the AI to even know what part of its model anything originated from, but I'm sure the concept isn't impossible as a whole. Then at least people could figure out if anyone is actually "owed" anything or not. At the very least, being able to prove when something is enough of a blend that it has no obvious matches with its training data would shut up the "theft" crowd.

 

[King Dead]

I was literally talking about this with a friend last night and pointed out that part of the existing law is that we can't ever really be sure or prove that artist X stole from artist Y or just happened to have parallel inspiration. However with AI it can be literally taced and proven whether something was used by checking the presence of it in the database.

Note I'm not saying this as any evidence of pro or con, just that the law could still see a legal distinction in these cases.

Weeeeeell...to an extent, you're correct, but it's not quite that simple.

When you download a Stable Diffusion model, you're just downloading the relationships that the AI made between the imagery and keywords it was fed, not the imageset itself. As far as I'm aware, there's no way you can definitively say that a particular image was part of the set used to train it. Sure, you could attempt to prompt it with a particular artist's name and see if it comes out close to their style, but it's not proof necessarily.

And even if you could, so what? Those images are being blended together with thousands, even millions of others, so the influence of any particular work is effectively nil. Even if you're heavily prompting for a particular artist's style, you could argue that it's only making up a small percentage of the total, barely enough to matter.

Even assuming that you could prove that particular images were used without asking permission and tried to sue for compensation, you're basically asking to kill off the entire concept of fair use. AI art, in my eyes, is nothing but a derivative work formed from a large number of influences. If you're against it, you're against musical remixes, supercuts of every time [x] moment happens in a movie, and basically culture in general. Any law that seeks to limit it could easily be twisted to force all creative types to prove that their idea is wholly original or else be forced to pay money up the chain, and then you've basically made it illegal to produce anything new.

AI is a tool, nothing more. The people most mad about it are the people upset that they can't overcharge for porn anymore.

 

[Koby_Fish]

Yeah, I think Bob just moved his demented console war mindset from Nintendo versus Sega to Disney versus Warner. The weird thing is his hero, James Gunn moved over to Warner. He seems to be "pro-Gunn," but still manages to be anti-DC/anti-Warner. I wonder what will happen if James Gunn's superheroes start beating Marvel's superheroes at the box office. Some of the people speculating about the future point out that in a year of poor returns one of Disney's few bright spots was Guardians of the Galaxy 3, but Disney probably isn't happy about the fact that the guy in charge of that is now over at their competitor.

Bob is anti-Zaslav, because Honey Boo Boo.

Bob is either being disingenuous, or he's retarded, and I'm not sure which is worse.

He's both.

 

[Individualism Incarnate]

Any law that seeks to limit it could easily be twisted to force all creative types to prove that their idea is wholly original or else be forced to pay money up the chain, and then you've basically made it illegal to produce anything new.

Wait, why is Pedowood against AI again?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Bob is anti-Zaslav, because Honey Boo Boo.

And he cancelled the precious Batgirl and Supergirl movies all the sempais he wants to notice him were getting excited about.

I'll admit, I am kind of curious to see what that Batgirl movie would have been, and if it ever got leaked I'd watch it, but I doubt it was ever good and I won't be losing any sleep over its loss.

Wait, why is Pedowood against AI again?

It makes them less special. If anyone can just ask a robot for a script, how are they meant to convince the major studios to give them millions of dollars for shitting out a first draft and then raking in royalties?

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

Wait, why is Pedowood against AI again?

Specifically it's just the writers who are up in arms about AI. Instead of having a writer's room filled with 6-12 writers for every single thing, one of their demands, you can have a handful of guys per studio punching up scripts that are written by AI. They are upset because they might be replaced by advancements in technology and they do not want to lean to code.

 

[Mr Processor]

They tried to replace Bob with an AI, but the AI Bob's kept committing suicide. So Bob's "job" of posting his every idiotic thought on Twitter is quite safe.

 

[Positron]

Wait, why is Pedowood against AI again?

Pedowood isn't against AI; it just doesn't want people know they are using AI to cut costs and labor. The WGA, in particular, demands to pass of AI-generated script as their writers' original work, while the studios are looking for ways to have AI replace people -- WGA hacks, SAG prostitutes, and VFX technies -- altogether.

Some hack claims AI stole her voice.


Indeed stealing voices should be a crime!

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One advantage of sticking to Bobby's reviews is that they'll always be valid.

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WGA's temper tantrum intensifies -- as does Bobby's Rat apologetic.


Not for the first time, people claims DeSantis want to get rid of the Rat so he can turn Florida into the casino state.

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All of a sudden Rotten Tomato scores are worth looking at.


All the usual suspects are hyping up Blue Beetle.

More normies know about The Flash as a comic-book character than Blue Beetle. Indeed I've not heard of Blue Beetle until Bobby mentioned it.

You are deluded to think there can ever be "superhero fatigue" (or indeed "anything fatigue"). Why don't you put on these shades and see the world Bobby's way?

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Another old cartoon gets revived. God said, "Let there be bullshit", and there were bullshit -- and lesbian cows!!


The Cowboy Code is "old-timey Marxist"





BTW I thought cartoon characters aren't allowed to have guns now?

Indie Gamer Chick (who is 10 years younger than Bobby and 4 years younger than Lindsay "The Abortion" Ellis) shits on the cow cowboys cartoon, plus some other cartoon Bobby holds even more dear -- and as you can expect, Bobby doesn't dare raise his voice.


BoJack Horseman admits in a most boring way that he took advantage of an incapacitated female animal.

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Jacobin hack extols the many accomplishments of AOC and The Squad. He nevertheless angers Bobby because he dares suggest that they "should be criticized when needed".







Archive of NY Mag article. Oliver Anthony fits the definition of the petit bourgie -- someone who owns the musical instrument and production equipment with which he makes money. If Marx is correct he will be assimilated into either full capitalist or full prolet -- and the Cultural Elites are trying their hardest to make Anthony tumbles head-first towards the latter.



You'd recall from yesterday that Jonny Meade has great music taste. Here he recommend a music video to you unwashed hicks!

 

[WelperHelper99]

Specifically it's just the writers who are up in arms about AI. Instead of having a writer's room filled with 6-12 writers for every single thing, one of their demands, you can have a handful of guys per studio punching up scripts that are written by AI. They are upset because they might be replaced by advancements in technology and they do not want to lean to code.

They fear the automation instead of learning how to get around it. You don't have to be cucked by the machine spirit. Use the tech and GET CREATIVE. Shocking, I know. Automation came for the welders, yet we survived. You can too if you take this tech by the horns

the usual suspects are hyping up Blue Beetle.

More normies know about The Flash as a comic-book character than Blue Beetle. Indeed I've not heard of Blue Beetle until Bobby mentioned it.

For reference, I only know Blue Beetle from a Batman cartoon, not the comics. That's probably most people, which is why WB didn't spend too much. Everyone knew about Flash, so they pushed him hard. Bob, how do you not get this?

BTW I thought cartoon characters aren't allowed to have guns now?

A wild west TMNT would at least need revolvers, which are not in vouge today. Because of high levels of CONSOOM energy, none of them are gonna think why the Turtles or the bad guys are missing their wheelguns.

You'd recall from yesterday that Jonny Meade has great music taste. Here he recommend a music video to you unwashed hicks!

Gay appliation miners. Truly I in the blue collar world feel represented! What a crock of shit Bob. Wasn't his dad or grandpa a miner? Bet they're proud.

 

[Flexo]

Even assuming that you could prove that particular images were used without asking permission and tried to sue for compensation, you're basically asking to kill off the entire concept of fair use. AI art, in my eyes, is nothing but a derivative work formed from a large number of influences. If you're against it, you're against musical remixes, supercuts of every time [x] moment happens in a movie, and basically culture in general. Any law that seeks to limit it could easily be twisted to force all creative types to prove that their idea is wholly original or else be forced to pay money up the chain, and then you've basically made it illegal to produce anything new.

You're not wrong, but always keep in mind that law is made by lawyers and judges and their knowledge of computers and tech is.... lacking to say the least. Don't be surprised if we get some majorly dumb legislation here and there over the next few years (besides our regular allotment of dumb legislation).

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

They fear the automation instead of learning how to get around it. You don't have to be cucked by the machine spirit. Use the tech and GET CREATIVE. Shocking, I know. Automation came for the welders, yet we survived. You can too if you take this tech by the horns

Adapt, improvise, overcome. Hollywood is so high on their farts that they can't do that.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You're not wrong, but always keep in mind that law is made by lawyers and judges and their knowledge of computers and tech is.... lacking to say the least. Don't be surprised if we get some majorly dumb legislation here and there over the next few years (besides our regular allotment of dumb legislation).

The courts and politicans are always a swing and a miss with tech. Sometimes you get cool shit like protection for emulation, others they're taking away Net Neutrality. My guess is that they won't understand legal arguments FOR A.I. at all.

 

[Flexo]

I actually agree with this guy, I just find it funny that he's replying to Bob "canon doesn't matter - it's fiction - it's not real" etc.

A wild west TMNT would at least need revolvers, which are not in vouge today. Because of high levels of CONSOOM energy, none of them are gonna think why the Turtles or the bad guys are missing their wheelguns.

I actually have a bit of autism knowledge of this franchise (may or may not have some original toys of it too). There were actually 3 main heroes of it.

The leader/Captain Kirk of the group had revolvers who shot stars (like a sheriff's badge) instead of bullets. Of course he could always hit someone non-lethally with them.

The big blue one literally had no weapons because he was just the strongest mofo on the entire mesa and could bench press a train (trying to remember if he ever literally did). Anyway, very dry, the second in command/Spock of the group.

The black & white one was more of a joker/comic relief of the group and was a master with the rope. Like could do anything with a lasso to absurd levels. insert your tacky sex jokes here.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Adapt, improvise, overcome. Hollywood is so high on their farts that they can't do that.

Sadly true enough. They're too used to the money flowing that actually having to create is foreign to them

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I actually agree with this guy, I just find it funny that he's replying to Bob "canon doesn't matter - it's fiction - it's not real" etc.


I actually have a bit of autism knowledge of this franchise (may or may not have some original toys of it too). There were actually 3 main heroes of it.

The leader/Captain Kirk of the group had revolvers who shot stars (like a sheriff's badge) instead of bullets. Of course he could always hit someone non-lethally with them.

The big blue one literally had no weapons because he was just the strongest mofo on the entire mesa and could bench press a train (trying to remember if he ever literally did). Anyway, very dry, the second in command/Spock of the group.

The black & white one was more of a joker/comic relief of the group and was a master with the rope. Like could do anything with a lasso to absurd levels. insert your tacky sex jokes here.

Interesting. Still, if they wanted to keep Kirk true, they need the guns. I just find it funny how all these people soyjack about a cowboy cartoon. They can't help it

 

[Flexo]

others they're taking away Net Neutrality

I have to sit down and read the text itself, but my general impression is that "net neutrality" has been one of those laws where the hype is vastly different from the reality. Like just because it's "called" net neutrality doesn't mean it actually is net neutrality.

To give a completely real life example we discussed on this board once, there was legislation titled something like "baby formula solution." When you actually checked the text, all it did was allot some high dollar figure to the FDA to "try and fix the baby formula shortage." Note that the law didn't even tell the FDA: "hey go out and buy some fucking formula!" No, it just said "we're tossing X dollars at you to try and solve the problem."

This was in comparison to other legislation which said, "why don't we just knock off tariffs from foreign baby formula and import more?" Which was struck down. But you know, was an actual attempt at an actual solution of getting thing at point A to point B where it was needed.

So while I support the principle of net neutrality, in a lot of these cases I'd like to see the actual text and details of it to see if it's doing as advertised, or is just another political wordplay. (I could be wrong, I'm just too old and cynical to trust them any more.)

 

[Flexo]

Interesting. Still, if they wanted to keep Kirk true, they need the guns. I just find it funny how all these people soyjack about a cowboy cartoon. They can't help it

Hey the entire series seems to be on youtube if you want to try it out.

Man the intro song totally slapped. But there you can see a bit of the gun play. I had forgotten the villain had a "cactus gun."

 

[WelperHelper99]

I have to sit down and read the text itself, but my general impression is that "net neutrality" has been one of those laws where the hype is vastly different from the reality. Like just because it's "called" net neutrality doesn't mean it actually is net neutrality.

To give a completely real life example we discussed on this board once, there was legislation titled something like "baby formula solution." When you actually checked the text, all it did was allot some high dollar figure to the FDA to "try and fix the baby formula shortage." Note that the law didn't even tell the FDA: "hey go out and buy some fucking formula!" No, it just said "we're tossing X dollars at you to try and solve the problem."

This was in comparison to other legislation which said, "why don't we just knock of tariffs from foreign baby formula and import more?" Which was struck down. But you know, was an actual attempt at an actual solution of getting thing at point A to point B where it was needed.

So while I support the principle of net neutrality, in a lot of these cases I'd like to see the actual text and details of it to see if it's doing as advertised, or is just another political wordplay. (I could be wrong, I'm just too old and cynical to trust them any more.)

That I understand. Even when they pass laws, a lot of times it's just throwing money at the issue instead of fixing it. I will be happy when our politicians are younger and at least kind of understand the issue. But let's be real, they'll still do that shit to funnel money back to them

 

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here were i live they stopped showing oppenheimer on imax for blue fucking beetle, what the fuck is that. fuck superheroes movies and fuck retarded pieces of shit like movieslow