Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

[Kela de Thaym]

On principle, I'm not a fan of AI in regards to art and audio because it can be easily abused and there's no clear regulations on how material is gathered/scraped. Plus, it'll always feel soulless to me compared to a live person or done from scratch by an artist.

However... I am not a fan of Grey deLisle and the whole SAG-AFTRA V/A Mafia because of how horrible of people they are (let's not forget, Joe DiMaggio openly advocated for what was essentially murder of those right-leaning teenagers that were supposedly facing off against the Indigenous guy at a political rally a few years back and didn't even take back what he said when the rest of the story was made known) and how they basically stonewall fresh blood out of the industry so they can keep doing work well past their vocal expiration dates. It's a big reason why I prefer to champion games and cartoons that use fresh/unknown/untapped talent, too.

Hell, I have more respect for a truly "old guard" person like Michael Bell, who not long ago said at a convention that he'd rather someone new take over the role of Raziel in any remake of 'Soul Reaver' than reprise the role because he acknowledged he was too old to do that volume of vocal work anymore. Someone like Tara Strong would never have that much self-awareness or humility to acknowledge it's time for new talent to come in and iirc I think she's thrown shade at other actresses who've voiced Harley Quinn in other projects, I dunno for sure because she pisses me off with her smug face every time I see it.

And with attitudes like that, is it any wonder people are turning to AI clones of these pompous fucks solely out of spite? Again, I'm no fan of AI for a multitude of reasons, but in situations like this I can't blame people for wanting to give assholes like Grey the middle finger purely out of spite.

 

[A Watchful Ghost]

On principle, I'm not a fan of AI in regards to art and audio because it can be easily abused and there's no clear regulations on how material is gathered/scraped. Plus, it'll always feel soulless to me compared to a live person or done from scratch by an artist.

TBH, On Principle I don't mind AI existing because it does give more tools to people to use to enhance their work. What I do agree is the lack of oversight, and regulation where a ethical code needs formed for its usage. It's a discussion many have yet to had in a official capacity. With that said, However I DO NOT WANT the discussion to be led by fuckers like Delise, Strong, or any of the SAFRA since they'll be going with a agenda in mind.

It has to be done by many people from many different areas, not just entertaiment, or art. Too bad, they are the loudest fuckers about it are the people within those areas,

 

[TVB]

The fact that the goyslops over at Pedowood (as well as the ones over at Twitter or Instagram) support SAG-AFTRA or WGA and their fiery, manipulative bullshit of unionization and other shitty leftist communist manifestos still make me laugh. These cocoon of yes men will say yes about anything that has a shitty leftist agenda.

 

[Kela de Thaym]

TBH, On Principle I don't mind AI existing because it does give more tools to people to use to enhance their work. What I do agree is the lack of oversight, and regulation where a ethical code needs formed for its usage. It's a discussion many have yet to had in a official capacity. With that said, However I DO NOT WANT the discussion to be led by fuckers like Delise, Strong, or any of the SAFRA since they'll be going with a agenda in mind.

It has to be done by many people from many different areas, not just entertaiment, or art. Too bad, they are the loudest fuckers about it are the people within those areas,

Exactly. If a person wants to use an AI trained on their own work -and just their own work-, that's their choice. Look at Chris Onstad and 'Achewood': the guy worked with some people to create an AI trained on just his work to help produce new Achewood strips. As far as I'm concerned, the man's paid his pound of flesh and then some, he's earned the right to take this approach to his work at this point in time.

It's the lack of regulation/code of ethics that plays a huge part in the hesitance if not hostility towards the use of AI in creative fields. If there was some kind of structure in place, I'd imagine there'd be a few more people willing to give it a fair shake.

 

[AbduluCthuluZulu]

I love how a celebrity like Jay can try to destroy someone's career on a whim and call his rabid fanboys to attack the platform said career is on, then get nothing but asspats for it even when they admit they were wrong.
Meanwhile peons like us would get banned from every service in the world, fined, sued, and/or sentenced to years in prison for doing the same thing.
Chivalry might be dead, but feudalism is certainly still in vogue.

 

[Druveer]

I'm reminded of an argument made against people in the 80/90's bitching about automation taking away blue collar jobs, "if your job can be replaced by a computer it must not be that difficult/important". Of course the conceit was that computers wouldn't ever be able to do white collar work much less intrude upon the world of the arts. Afterall you need something special to be able to write a story, paint a picture, sing a song.......

Apparently not, I hope all these people enjoy knowing that the results of their labor are easily replaceable and not at all important. As for the voice actors, writers and actors... get fucked and starve.

 

[Alter Ego]

I think there's some humor to be found in that all of those going for this rando's throat over using AI voices simultaneously pay no mind to the other aspect that he's cribbing off of two intellectual properties. Because no online artist wants to draw attention to how they personally gain (including monetarily) from fanworks, the unpaid use of somebody else's popular original creation.

 

[TVB]

I think there's some humor to be found in that all of those going for this rando's throat over using AI voices simultaneously pay no mind to the other aspect that he's cribbing off of two intellectual properties. Because no online artist wants to draw attention to how they personally gain (including monetarily) from fanworks, the unpaid use of somebody else's popular original creation.

Well yea, it's hilarious because they're nothing more than complete NPCs that want to believe in their own egos than give a shit about someone who made something out of love, pride and passion

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I think what I said about art skills still holds true, if you want to be good at it you have to be versatile at it more than skilled. That's the place where ai is beating everybody now, it can replicate anything in anybodys artstyle with high degrees of accuracy. So the way to beat it is to be just as good and just as versatile. I hate ai too cause Ive learnt how neural networks works in engineering and it's extremely unnecessary/lazy and I hope to be a competent artist/writer someday. People will say ai can't create anything new but what they don't realise that art and entertainment for the most part is constantly endlessly recycled, everything is a copy or a combination of other things so ai can produce something new. There is definitely going to be an all ai future, the wall e future like Jersh said in mati where people become incompetent and ai takes over, the solution to which is to first be competent, then get rid of ai.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

I think what I said about art skills still holds true, if you want to be good at it you have to be versatile at it more than skilled. That's the place where ai is beating everybody now, it can replicate anything in anybodys artstyle with high degrees of accuracy. So the way to beat it is to be just as good and just as versatile. I hate ai too cause Ive learnt how neural networks works in engineering and it's extremely unnecessary/lazy and I hope to be a competent artist/writer someday. People will say ai can't create anything new but what they don't realise that art and entertainment for the most part is constantly endlessly recycled, everything is a copy or a combination of other things so ai can produce something new. There is definitely going to be an all ai future, the wall e future like Jersh said in mati where people become incompetent and ai takes over, the solution to which is to first be competent, then get rid of ai.

I'm going to tell you as a successful artist in museums and professional industry work, you need to shut down that mindset right the fuck now. AI is good at making art and if you can't accept that, you will not get anywhere. You're no different than the millions of shitty artists poopooing AI. Only insecure artists complain about it. Successful artists utilize it—it's a tool. AI has already created hundreds of thousands of new ideas/concepts that have never been created by the human mind. It is already leagues above you and if you don't accept that, you are doomed to repeat the failures of the artists that it will replace. If you want to be a good artist, embrace it and learn from what the AI makes. It is invaluable for creating new concepts. That may seem an oxymoron because it requires the input of past human creations. But no human can create something original that doesn't have past influences from their experience. An AI is no different. An AI is just better at putting ideas together and then generating them. Dude, UTILIZE THAT. It's free ideas!

May your art journey be fruitful and don't forget to post more of your art in this thread so I can bully you (you're not that good but you have potential to be a fantastic comic book artist if you keep trying).

 

[Colon capital V]

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This. On top of that, the whole fucking reason all these artists are complaining is because AI is "GUNNA TAEK DER JERBS!!!" and leave them homeless. So like... fuckin cash in on that? Like my guy, you could save yourself sooooooo much time on shading, backgrounds, coloring, etc if you just accepted it as a tool and not something to be opposed to while you're left on the streets. Yes, AI will allow consoomer coomers to generate any fappics they want, but to most tech-illiterate normies they wouldn't be able to grasp how to use something like stable diffusion unless it's dumbdowned for them to be ease of use. As well, people come to your art because it's your art. And sure, people could just use your art as a dataset to generate their own personal (you)artist, but I think that's even more on an incentive to use AI to cut down on time by feeding it your artwork, fixing up any mistakes it made, put it out into the world and make taking commissions even faster and easier. Literally HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT SEEING THE BAG RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM?? Get in while you niggas still can.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

May your art journey be fruitful and don't forget to post more of your art in this thread so I can bully you (you're not that good but you have potential to be a fantastic comic book artist if you keep trying).

Yep, pen down, fuck this shit Im out (Keep trying sounds good but its pretty depressing that other artists basically ascended godhood by 23 while I unfortunately dont have another 10 years to spare)

As well, people come to your art because it's your art

People like art cause its good, not because they like the artist, this is the privileged mindset most of the twitter artists have that people like them cause of their uniqueness when in reality theyre just drawing whatever anime inspired thing #30000. Its one of the reasons why the quality of classical art just went off a cliff cause people started to take their work as really high quality and started to become complacent about it. Generally the way you improve in the any hobby, sadly, is not only through practice but usually through self deprecation and constant comparison. You do not create something great without the self perception being garbage. The moment the self perception surpasses the skill level, the quality of work degenerates till it dies.

 

[Commander X]

Grey DeLisle @GreyDeLisle · Aug 16

Creators who do unethical things run the risk of getting blacklisted. That’s just a fact. I said I was going to warn my colleagues as I would do for anyone who was vulnerable to theft. The filmmaker has apologized and promised to do the right thing from here on out. We’re good.

All of DeLisle's “apologies” come off as “I’m sorry I got caught” rather than genuine regret. Worst part is people are actually believing it.

 

[A Watchful Ghost]

All of DeLisle's “apologies” come off as “I’m sorry I got caught” rather than genuine regret. Worst part is people are actually believing it.

Unethical?! And what exactly did you do, dipshit?! It's this dishonest, high horse bullshit that made me distrust them in the first place. Also 'The Filmmaker' has a fucking name, use it instead of making a backhanded acknowledgment, and someone beneath you.

Jesus fuck.

Edit: People are calling bullshit on her despite the 'apology.'

 

[TVB]

Unethical?! And what exactly did you do, dipshit?! It's this dishonest, high horse bullshit that made me distrust them in the first place. Also 'The Filmmaker' has a fucking name, use it instead of making a backhanded acknowledgment, and someone beneath you.

Jesus fuck.

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When even the diehard leftists are calling out on her bullshit, then she knows that she's done fucked up.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

One thing I've taken away from all this is whos this red terror faggot and how come they haven't gotten a thread yet they appear to be a gold mine.

 

[Life is Hell...]

One thing I've taken away from all this is whos this red terror faggot and how come they haven't gotten a thread yet they appear to be a gold mine.

His real name is Micah Ian War Dog Wright, and he's a "Native-American" writer who briefly worked at Nickelodeon in the early 2000's, where he wrote episodes of Angry Beavers, and eventually pitched his own cartoon called "Constant Payne".

It essentially would've been Nickelodeon's first action oriented cartoon, but was rejected due to the network not wanting violent cartoons after 9/11, and because of Union issues. (Link)

Soon afterwards he joined DC Comics where he created Stormwatch: Team Achilles, which was the second incarnation of Image Comics' Stormwatch.

He's also an avid Anti-War activist who's made artwork involving Propaganda Posters with anti-war slogans on them, which eventually were collected and released as three books.

In early editions of his first book "You Back The Attack, We'll Bomb Who We Want", there was an introduction where Micah describes his experiences in the military as a sergeant during Operation Just Cause. But eventually it was revealed that he lied about it. (Link)

This resulted in other comic writers such as Kurt Busiek and Mark Millar to call him out, and later getting blacklisted from both Marvel and DC.

Since then, he's mostly been off the grid, usually writing for video games like Skullgirls, and serving as Chief Content Manager for First Nations Experience, which is a broadcasting network for Native Americans. (Link)

More recently him and Jay Lender, who's his writing partner, wrote a horror film called "They're Watching".

But mostly he's just another stupid middle-aged wannabe commiefag who's constantly sperging on Twitter.

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[TVB]

Well yes, Micah is a complete diehard leftist commie the same way Varg Vikernes is an alt-right. But it's also worth noting that he uses 9/11 as the reason why Angry Beavers was cancelled back in 2001.

 

[Colon capital V]

Something I haven't seen people brought up is that you could (in theory) mix multiple peoples' voices together using AI and, essentially, create a whole new voice to use that doesn't belong to anyone. What would these fuckers have to say then? "Oh don't use that voice because it sounds kinda like mine? No I don't have any proof to accuse you of using my voice as data, SHUT IT DOWN NOW." This would probably give artists way more legal credence if they went down this route of mixing multiple peoples' voices together and create a whole new unique voice... kind of... like... making "art."

 

[Terffals]

Something I haven't seen people brought up is that you could (in theory) mix multiple peoples' voices together using AI and, essentially, create a whole new voice to use that doesn't belong to anyone. What would these fuckers have to say then? "Oh don't use that voice because it sounds kinda like mine? No I don't have any proof to accuse you of using my voice as data, SHUT IT DOWN NOW." This would probably give artists way more legal credence if they went down this route of mixing multiple peoples' voices together and create a whole new unique voice... kind of... like... making "art."

It occurs to me that romance novels have been doing this for decades. Cover artists would paint beefcake hunks who “kinda sorta” looked like Fabio, or whatever top male celeb of the day.