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[dustbuster]

Except no, things like horses existed before the car did and already made it pretty dangerous to just cross the street without at least looking.

They also caused massive shit problems. If anyone thinks San Francisco is bad today with human shit, imagine horses everywhere making 3 foot piles.

The car was a quantum leap in environmental quality.
I'll take 1960's levels of smog over 1860's levels of shit any day.

Spoiled brats trying to destroy the logistics that get groceries to our homes weekly because perfection is not possible.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

They also caused massive shit problems. If anyone thinks San Francisco is bad today with human shit, imagine horses everywhere making 3 foot piles.

The car was a quantum leap in environmental quality.
I'll take 1960's levels of smog over 1860's levels of shit any day.

Spoiled brats trying to destroy the logistics that get groceries to our homes weekly because perfection is not possible.

And you know how some people just ditch cars when they break down?

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

I miss the days when we understood that a teenager bitching about dudes with cars was just jealous that he doesn't have a car himself.

Honestly it's exactly the same FOMO deep down, its just that the increased mental illness and poor upbringing manifests itself as "I totally don't need a car, not like I have an irrational fear or anything" instead of "I totally don't need a car, not like I'm young and jealous or anything".

The phenomenon of shorter attention spans probably has something to do with it too. Half the reason hivedwellers are scared of driving (the other half being "death machine bad") is that they don't trust themselves to maintain a good level of concentration while on the road. And in all honesty, good for them. If you can't handle the duty of care don't get behind the wheel.

 

[dustbuster]

And you know how some people just ditch cars when they break down?

FYI to those who don't have experience out in the rural counties where corpses like that don't get cleaned up so quickly:
The stench is horrific, drifts for miles, and penetrates sealed modern automobile cabins.

These kids ignoring it while it's right next to them really drives home just how horrible the smell was in the cities day to day before cars put an end to the endless piles of horse shit in the streets.

 

[Yamamura]

I randomly came across a channel that normally talks about cars do a video about him becoming disillusioned about cars (you'll have to excuse me if this has been posted before).

Spoiler: About the video content

Now the thing about the video is the title is a little bit of hyperbole, he still wants to do car content but he's just tired of having so many car projects at the same time and is tired that the only videos that get views are for reviews of newer cars he's not interested in. However he does have a lot of urbanist talking points in his video, such as "car centric", "urban planning", "walkability". I suspect his gambit is that his channel hasn't gotten as far as he thought it would so he thinks that by self flagellating for the urbanists it will get them to like him or something.

Anyway that's not the main point I wanted to highlight. The thing I wanted to showcase is how on any video talking about the subject of cars and ownership in the slightest will bring out the urbanists like Wendigos upon mentioning their name.

Some of the usual suspects come out:


Other urbanists with the usual spiel:


The takeaway I guess is never self flagellate. They don't like you, they don't like what you do or what you stand for. They will not watch your videos, they just want to see you grovel at their feet.

If you're going to complain about eating meat either become a vegan already or quit bitching while still eating your steak. You can't have both so stop whining it's so petulant and pathetic.

Bonus:

BladedAngel is a guy who makes shitty meme videos about cars (i.e think top 10 lists and shit like that). It's just kinda weird how the people who benefit and owe their whole channel careers to cars are so eager to suddenly turn against the only thing they talk about.

 

[Markass the Worst]

(you'll have to excuse me if this has been posted before).

Indeed it has. (not like that's a bad thing!)

Glad I've found this thread.

"Car Enthusiast"​

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BladedAngel is a guy who makes shitty meme videos about cars (i.e think top 10 lists and shit like that). It's just kinda weird how the people who benefit and owe their whole channel careers to cars are so eager to suddenly turn against the only thing they talk about.

Yeah he's brought up the NJB video on how Trucks Are Literally Killing Us and keeps repeating the urbanist talking point about how you can line up 10 kids in a row in front of a high pickup truck driver and they won't be able to see them. He's done that a few times now.

It's the urbanist equivalent to cis privilege or white guilt. It can be summed up by the bizarre notion that urbanism will ackshually make traffic better because people will be taken off the roads. Yes, that is true... but that doesn't necessarily mean the car enthusiast will be able to use those roads if those policies come to pass. Oh and in Amsterdam, the car-freest of all cities (except when it's not enough for them), traffic is horrible, so the premise isn't even true in the first place.

 

[dustbuster]

._. modern trucks have had radar for 10 years and blindspot cameras for 5.

 

[Markass the Worst]

._. modern trucks have had radar for 10 years and blindspot cameras for 5.

Don't worry, Jason Slaughter complains about those solutions too. Why? Hell if I know, he just wants to complain.

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

._. modern trucks have had radar for 10 years and blindspot cameras for 5.

Tech isn't a panacea, though, drivers still have to be somewhat aware of their surroundings to be able to brake in time (assuming no automatic emergency brake) or notice the beeping, say.
Because bugmen can't concentrate while driving they think everyone is the same and will plow completely unaware through crowded intersections regardless of any warnings.

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

It's the urbanist equivalent to cis privilege or white guilt. It can be summed up by the bizarre notion that urbanism will ackshually make traffic better because people will be taken off the roads. Yes, that is true... but that doesn't necessarily mean the car enthusiast will be able to use those roads if those policies come to pass. Oh and in Amsterdam, the car-freest of all cities (except when it's not enough for them), traffic is horrible, so the premise isn't even true in the first place.

I think there should be less cars on the roads too, can I join the urbanist club? I don't want any shitty bike lanes though, I just want to spend less time traffic and have to worry less about retards who can't drive.

The solution to "big truck kill child" isn't banning cars, it's banning morons from driving them. Harder driving tests, having to redo driving tests to renew your license, etc. No idea on whether that would actually be effective but if the government came out tomorrow and said "half you idiots aren't allow to drive anymore, but the ones who can get to have speed limits and other laws relaxed" I don't think I'd complain much. Bugmen probably wouldn't support those even though it would mean less cars, though, because less cars isn't zero cars.

Anyone else think its kind of ironic that for a guy with a channel called "not just bikes" Jason Slaughter sure does seem to think the only form of wheeled transportation you should be allowed to use is a bike.

 

[Markass the Worst]

The solution to "big truck kill child" isn't banning cars, it's banning morons from driving them. Harder driving tests, having to redo driving tests to renew your license, etc. No idea on whether that would actually be effective but if the government came out tomorrow and said "half you idiots aren't allow to drive anymore, but the ones who can get to have speed limits and other laws relaxed" I don't think I'd complain much. Bugmen probably wouldn't support those even though it would mean less cars, though, because less cars isn't zero cars.

The reason laws like that aren't enforced (or really, any general common-sensical laws in the first place) is because it would disproportionately affect black people. There's already several articles about how da "oppressed" blax get pulled over more than those "privileged" Whites do. Since urbanites are lefties and ACAB-adjacent (r/fuckcars has a fag/tranny/BurnLootMurder flag for its icon), they would oppose stricter enforcement too. Or at least explode their brains trying to figure out if they should hate cops or drivers more.

Meanwhile they regularly complaints about how drivers supposedly can get away with killing pedestrians. Well, who the fuck do you think will arrest the driver if not the cops? The fucking social workers? I guess their solution is to ban cars, but there's no telling who exactly is to enforce the ban.

 

[quaawaa]

Meanwhile they regularly complaints about how drivers supposedly can get away with killing pedestrians. Well, who the fuck do you think will arrest the driver if not the cops? The fucking social workers? I guess their solution is to ban cars, but there's no telling who exactly is to enforce the ban.

They want an automatic camera system like several British cities have where you automatically get fined for speeding, driving an old car, driving outside of your neighborhood, being too loud, and for anything else that the nanny state doesn’t want you to do.

Despite supporting this, they call anyone who points it out a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Yamamura]

It's the urbanist equivalent to cis privilege or white guilt. It can be summed up by the bizarre notion that urbanism will ackshually make traffic better because people will be taken off the roads. Yes, that is true... but that doesn't necessarily mean the car enthusiast will be able to use those roads if those policies come to pass.

I think the closest thing I can compare them to are the automotive equivalent of Fudds but with cars (i.e people who don't actually care about 2A or gun rights, but still own guns). They view the car as a toy and just a toy. Coincidentally most of these "enthusiasts" work from home and don't actually depend on their cars for anything other than leisure. While ignoring the people who do depend on their vehicles for work or to run their businesses like landscaping or electrician work. The first thing that always gets implement is the taxes. You have "congestion" charges and then you start getting laws like in Singapore where the taxes start exceeding the price of the vehicle. I remember someone who was arguing with the thread very early on was sarcastically saying how "we're really standing up for the working class". Yes, they literally are the working class and these types of policies affect them the most. The price of being able to own their vehicles cuts into their bottom line of their businesses and their ability to make a living.

 

[JJLiautaud]

And you know how some people just ditch cars when they break down?
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Yummers, lunch for tomorrow; or more realistically dog food.

Jokes aside I found a realy interesting pamphlet all about how fucking horrid life was before the car, for both man and beast, see the attached pdf.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I found a realy interesting pamphlet all about how fucking horrid life was before the car, for both man and beast, see the attached pdf.

Don't know how I didn't realize until now, but this throws a huge wrench into the urbanist narrative that life was all fine and dandy and children were playing in the streets until cars invaded and took over everything. No, life sucked before the car. Hugely.

That's probably the real reason why they never mention horses and have to come up with this ahistorical narrative.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Sigh. I miss the days when we understood that a teenager bitching about dudes with cars was just jealous that he doesn't have a car himself.

With the state of the used car market you got to feel bad for teenagers who want to drive and the cheapest car that isn't a total shitbox is $15,000-20,000.

The reason laws like that aren't enforced (or really, any general common-sensical laws in the first place) is because it would disproportionately affect black people. There's already several articles about how da "oppressed" blax get pulled over more than those "privileged" Whites do. Since urbanites are lefties and ACAB-adjacent (r/fuckcars has a fag/tranny/BurnLootMurder flag for its icon), they would oppose stricter enforcement too. Or at least explode their brains trying to figure out if they should hate cops or drivers more.

Meanwhile they regularly complaints about how drivers supposedly can get away with killing pedestrians. Well, who the fuck do you think will arrest the driver if not the cops? The fucking social workers? I guess their solution is to ban cars, but there's no telling who exactly is to enforce the ban.

I would one support banning Niggers from driving, which would result in the objective of cops no longer pulling over Blacks.

Isn't the Interstate going from Chicago through St Louis notoriously bad due to Niggers traveling to visit their relatives.

They want an automatic camera system like several British cities have where you automatically get fined for speeding, driving an old car, driving outside of your neighborhood, being too loud, and for anything else that the nanny state doesn’t want you to do.

Despite supporting this, they call anyone who points it out a conspiracy theorist.

The thing with those automatic cameras is that you can't actually prove who was driving so they don't give any Demerit points for infractions just fines.

At least cops are able to give judgement calls if you are only going 5 over.

For example a few months back I got pulled over for going 80 KM in a 60 zone, and didn't realize that I didn't have my updated insurance slip in my vehicle and that my license expired the month before. The cop wrote me up but latter when I looked at the ticket it was only a fine of $65 for not having my updated insurance slip on me.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Don't know how I didn't realize until now, but this throws a huge wrench into the urbanist narrative that life was all fine and dandy and children were playing in the streets until cars invaded and took over everything. No, life sucked before the car. Hugely.

That's probably the real reason why they never mention horses and have to come up with this ahistorical narrative.

As a guy who likes horses the really heartbreaking thing was just how quickly the horses died in urban conditions, 2 years; a good horse can be ridden usefully for 10 or so years and can have a pleasant retirement of increasingly gentle rides of 5 to 10 years or maybe 15 years if you can take of them. But the replacement of horses with cars goes to show there are no real solutions just replacing one set of problems with another set of problems, some foreseen and some unforeseeable, something which I really dont think our anticar friends understand.

Edit: I was browsing the funny picture thread and I found this:

 

[Big Budoo Troy]

Don't know how I didn't realize until now, but this throws a huge wrench into the urbanist narrative that life was all fine and dandy and children were playing in the streets until cars invaded and took over everything. No, life sucked before the car. Hugely.

That's probably the real reason why they never mention horses and have to come up with this ahistorical narrative.

Herein lies the main issue. Anybody with a genuine nonpartisan interest in urban planning and its history should know that transportation has more or less evolved naturally over the past century, the car wasn't really the single defining factor in cities changing forever. I couldn't give less of a shit about urban planning and I can still see the parallel between the horse and the bicycle, and between the horse-and-cart and the car. Things like "stroads" and ubiquitous street parking are not new, old roads were wide so carts didn't have to travel single-file, and to fit hitching posts in front of buildings. Massive parking lots are somewhat unnecessary, since multi-level garages are more efficient, but they're also much more expensive, and the alternative to building either would be to force everyone to street park or cut your potential customer base down to nothing. They're also comparable to stables. Streetcars are a favourite of some urbanists, but for most of their history "streetcars" were just horse-drawn carts that happened to have a regular timetable. The automobile killed the electric streetcar because both were competing to replace the horse and cart and the car had more advantages (like the horse-drawn streetcar it could go anywhere, electric streetcars had no flexibility and required twice the infrastructure to run as what came before and after them), cities weren't built around streetcars and ruined by evil henry ford and his cronies.

The problem is that hivedwellers are either ignorant or dishonest, or they would realise this. Instead, trying to bring this up inevitably leads to whataboutisms or just plain refusal to listen to reason. The only time I ever saw one of them acknowledge this, their comeback was that if the bicycle is the modern equivalent to the horse then bicycles should be a more common form of transportation. The problem, obviously, is that despite the parallels the horse was an all-terrain "vehicle" that didn't rely on manpower or human carrying capacity, and even though a bicycle may have been as practical for getting around a city in 1900 as a horse, both a horse and a bicycle are impractical in 2000 as they are too slow and there are too many people cramming into cities in search of service-sector jobs. Houston is widely attacked for being too reliant on cars, but it's population has increased by 9000% in the past century. You cannot increase the population of a city that much and expect it to be as easy to navigate as before unless you cram everyone into megahives. If you treat low population density as a problem, like bugmen do, then public transport is just as much of a "band-aid fix" as a car. A city where you have to spend hours sat on a bus or train to get to your destination is not any more "walkable" than a regular city, its just more anti-car. That's why people who claim to want "walkability" always seem so disingenuous, they either desire the Kowloon Walled City or they're just using "walkability" incorrectly as a synonym for "anti-car".

 

[Yamamura]

But the replacement of horses with cars goes to show there are no real solutions just replacing one set of problems with another set of problems, some foreseen and some unforeseeable, something which I really dont think our anticar friends understand.

Didn't you hear, fuckcars told me if there weren't cars anymore we would have high speed rail going to every neighborhood.

 

[quaawaa]

Streetcars are a favourite of some urbanists, but for most of their history "streetcars" were just horse-drawn carts that happened to have a regular timetable.

In the US, a lot of streetcars were unsustainable marketing efforts by real estate developers. They’d build new housing out of walking distance and run streetcars so people could get back into town. Once the initial funds provided by the developer dried up, the streetcars went bankrupt, but that wasn’t really a big deal because by that point, buses were a thing. Buses are superior to street cars in every way; unlike a streetcar, a bus can change routes and maneuver around obstructions.

The GM streetcar conspiracy that urbanists love to talk about was in reality GM buying up dying streetcar companies and replacing the streetcars with GM-manufactured buses (GM manufactured a lot more than just cars back in the day). It wasn’t evil Big Auto shutting down transit companies to force people to buy cars and many of those bus routes still exist to this day.

A city where you have to spend hours sat on a bus or train to get to your destination is not any more "walkable" than a regular city, its just more anti-car. That's why people who claim to want "walkability" always seem so disingenuous, they either desire the Kowloon Walled City or they're just using "walkability" incorrectly as a synonym for "anti-car".

Urbanists complain about having to walk up a flight of stairs to use a pedestrian bridge as well as how long it takes to walk across a parking lot. They also get delivery all the time. For people who supposedly like to walk, they sure seem to try to do everything they can to walk as little as possible because they’re fat.