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[Xarpho's Return]

We would need some kind of device to keep it levitated... maybe by turning air resistance into upwards force, allowing it to stay off the ground at absurd speeds with comparatively little energy. Then we would also need some kind of engine that can run in the air, one that's most efficient while travelling at a high speed.

I dunno, sounds a bit too sci-fi to me.

If I put a rest stop on a highway or an offramp to a local town, it may disrupt traffic slightly as people merge between lanes, but otherwise nothing bad will happen. The highway can carry cargo as well as passengers.

If I put a stop on a high-speed rail, get ready for at minimum 8 minutes spent braking and accelerating the train, for everyone on board and not just the people who need it. Giving any kind of benefit to rural landowners would make the train worse.

If you drive on I-45 between Dallas and Houston, you'll find occasional rest areas, little clusters of fast food/gas stations strategically placed at intervals. These are actually beneficial to the small towns that are just outside of them. A good example is Madisonville, which has the "big signs" near the freeway with gas stations, Buc-ee's, about half a dozen fast food restaurants. They are for the most part shitty places to work but that's money that's going into the city that wouldn't be there otherwise.

It's not an accident that towns near the Interstate when it was built benefitted while everything that wasn't just dried up and became a husk of its former self.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

If you drive on I-45 between Dallas and Houston, you'll find occasional rest areas, little clusters of fast food/gas stations strategically placed at intervals. These are actually beneficial to the small towns that are just outside of them. A good example is Madisonville, which has the "big signs" near the freeway with gas stations, Buc-ee's, about half a dozen fast food restaurants. They are for the most part shitty places to work but that's money that's going into the city that wouldn't be there otherwise.

It's not an accident that towns near the Interstate when it was built benefitted while everything that wasn't just dried up and became a husk of its former self.

The same thing happened with the railroads, you either were close enough to have business opportunities or you died off without the access to resources and travelers. This is a recurring theme with transportation, and the fact that HSR has an extremely small amount of hubs would basically guarantee that a lot of small towns and farming communities would be ruined by the tracks cutting through their land and leaving them even more neglected.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Just build the goddam nigger importing rail down the dam fucking freeway.

Can’t? Fucking lame.

 

[WelperHelper99]

First off, sorry I've been away. Life got nuts for a moment. But I'm back baby.

seats are usually far more comfortable than train seats, mainly because they're designed to be sat in for long stretches of time.

Car seats are the ultimate gaming chair, and a lot of times anymore, have powered adjustment.

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Not much to say on this one. I just want to remind everyone that this is what is telling you that you need to get rid of your car and change your cities. People that literally can't even follow a straight line. Jesus fucking Christ.

The lack of direction one gets me. Nigga, have you heard of Google maps, or hell, a Garmin GPS? That'll fix your shit up easy.

deliberately crash her car so she never asks you to drive again:

The car crash stuff passes me off, since spoilers, I just got in one. You're going to drive her insurance all the way up you fucking prick. And she's gonna have to get a new car, which even though they've gone down, most likely her deductible will stick her with a beater. Fuck you.

Rural landowners live in suburbs and are shills for the oil, automotive, and airline industries:

Literally wants to take away manufacturing jobs and says it outright. But how will you get your funkos if no oil is pumped to fuel the trains and no trucks are built to bring them into the cities?

 

[JJLiautaud]

Frog poasters are having fun with cyclists today.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Frog poasters are having fun

The biker phenotype is truly a thing. It ruins it for the rest of us, especially if your car is out of commission and the one your borrowing has restrictions on it (like me lol). Also E-bikes are gay and make you fat.

 

[DavidS877]

The biker phenotype is truly a thing. It ruins it for the rest of us, especially if your car is out of commission and the one your borrowing has restrictions on it (like me lol). Also E-bikes are gay and make you fat.

It's hilarious how many of these city 'cyclists' bring their bicycles out to my area on the back of their cars so they can bike around, then put the bike back on their car and go home.

If your bike is so wonderful why did you drive out here to fuck up our traffic?

 

[fishercat]

It's hilarious how many of these city 'cyclists' bring their bicycles out to my area on the back of their cars so they can bike around, then put the bike back on their car and go home.

If your bike is so wonderful why did you drive out here to fuck up our traffic?

Exercise, I guess?

 

[DavidS877]

Exercise, I guess?

Presumably the place they came from has roads and probably bike lanes(which we don't have) where they could get exercise.

 

[LaxerBRO]

While I don't discount the Dallas to Houston HSR, I am deeply skeptical of it being nothing else than a vanity project and benefiting the upper middle class.

Looking at the plans, it seems that the HSR will have three stops (Dallas, Houston, and Brazos Valley). Without a large mass transit network, the HSR will only serve the surrounding areas by those stops. Thus, if you want to buy a house nearby the route and work downtown then it's great for you. But for others that might work in the metro area, they will still need to get to their jobs.

Such, this becomes a train for tourists and yuppies.

P.S. I kind of wish the redditors wouldn't dismiss the concerns of the land owners.

 

[quaawaa]

While I don't discount the Dallas to Houston HSR, I am deeply skeptical of it being nothing else than a vanity project and benefiting the upper middle class.

It’s still better than the proposed Dallas-Fort Worth high speed rail which has the same average speed as the highway. It’s a multi-billion dollar project and serves no purpose except for ferrying the handful of car-free yuppies living in downtown Dallas and downtown Fort Worth to/from the DFW metro area’s stadiums in Arlington.

Looking at the plans, it seems that the HSR will have three stops (Dallas, Houston, and Brazos Valley). Without a large mass transit network, the HSR will only serve the surrounding areas by those stops. Thus, if you want to buy a house nearby the route and work downtown then it's great for you. But for others that might work in the metro area, they will still need to get to their jobs.

No one commutes from downtown Dallas to downtown Houston. HSR’s target market is pleasure/business travelers, not commuters.

 

[fishercat]

If it makes anyone feel better, the US government is too slow and incompetent to actually implement a HSR.

 

[teriyakiburns]

While I don't discount the Dallas to Houston HSR, I am deeply skeptical of it being nothing else than a vanity project and benefiting the upper middle class.

If you look at a route of roughly equivalent length in Europe (paris to brussels), it makes clear how much of a vanity project the dallas hsr is. Depending on the route you take, there are from one to five stops between paris and brussels, each with its own comprehensive connection to other high speed, local rail, or local public transport networks.

Even connecting the route to Waco would have given it more justification. If it were my transport tycoon deluxe game, I'd connect beaumont -> houston (george bush airport) -> austin -> waco -> DFW international -> Gainesville. That way I get a state border destination (with a regional airport) at each end, three international airports, and enough local transport connections (and population centres) to actually make it worthwhile.

e: and now I look at it, some of the early proposals are very similar to mine.

 

[LaxerBRO]

CityNerd has made a video where he goes through railroad timetables from the 1920s and gets depressed that we don't have something like it now.

He is correct that we don't have a wide and as frequent a network as now but I don't understand why he dwells on it.



Last Ride of the Pony Express

I live in a somewhat rural place and on my way to the Costco or Trader Joe's in Coeur d'Alene / Spokane, I listen to the OTR show Gunsmoke yet I don't get depressed over the lack of stage coaches and Pony Express riders. Sure, it's romantic and I am sure some missed the people involved in such enterprises but to look back on that now and get depressed is simply autistic.

Fucking Autistic.

The Pony Express and stage coach was the past as are railroad timetables from a century ago. Innovations like airplanes and affordable cars greatly diminished the need to them. International trade and intermodal shipping probably put a nail in the coffin of the age of rail.

Does the CityNerd fucker weap when he looks at his smartphone or uses the elevator lamenting the interesting conversations people used to have with elevator boy or telegraph operator?

Perhaps, their "autism" is the reason why I dislike them so. They get so attached to their idea of railroads and passenger train travel they fail to consider the effects their fantasy world will have on other sectors. Already in to comments, they complain about Amtrak needing to wait for freight rail and suggest limiting freight rail lengths but fail for account that by reducing train length they need more locotives which adds to pollution.

Christ, stop 'tarding out over one small thing and consider the wider effects.

 

[Markass the Worst]

They get so attached to their idea of railroads and passenger train travel they fail to consider the effects their fantasy world will have on other sectors.

Those are what are known as externalities. Ironically enough, they will yap until the cows come home about the externalities of cars, but suspiciously never about the externalities of passenger rail like the ones you have pointed out.

Almost like they have double standards.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Perhaps, their "autism" is the reason why I dislike them so. They get so attached to their idea of railroads and passenger train travel they fail to consider the effects their fantasy world will have on other sectors. Already in to comments, they complain about Amtrak needing to wait for freight rail and suggest limiting freight rail lengths but fail for account that by reducing train length they need more locotives which adds to pollution

That's the biggest problem, all of them have major autism. They like the Choo Choo trains but when you ask why, they have no logical answer. The need for control traces back to all of them being aspies as well. They never think " a family might need a minivan because tardwrangling kids is hard" or " a guy needs a car because work is early for him", nope, gotta put them all on these one size fits all buses and planes

 

[Flaming Insignias]

That's the biggest problem, all of them have major autism. They like the Choo Choo trains but when you ask why, they have no logical answer. The need for control traces back to all of them being aspies as well. They never think " a family might need a minivan because tardwrangling kids is hard" or " a guy needs a car because work is early for him", nope, gotta put them all on these one size fits all buses and planes

I like the trains too (or at least, I think that the steam engines were beautiful), but I am not a deluded to think that there was some evil scheme to make people want cars. I think that the railways still have their uses for freight and scenic traveling, but it's hard to ignore just how effective air travel is and the ease by which a car allows people to move at any given time.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I like the trains too (or at least, I think that the steam engines were beautiful), but I am not a deluded to think that there was some evil scheme to make people want cars. I think that the railways still have their uses for freight and scenic traveling, but it's hard to ignore just how effective air travel is and the ease by which a car allows people to move at any given time.

Every single mode of transportation has advantages and disadvantages (the ones that only have disadvantages have basically all disappeared, nobody rides horses or pulls carts with them except for fun or in very rugged countries, and even then it's hard to find a place a donkey can go that a motorcycle cannot).

Trains beat the pants off of planes for certain things - large number of people over shortish distances with lots of stops - think subway.

But few people want to bother supporting true transportation planning (that involves ALL MODES) so you end up with a pile of shit that means driving is easier.

I have to leave my car or get dropped off to fly from the airport, and if there was a train direct to the airport that had a stop anywhere closer to me I'd ride that shit each time.

It doesn't exist, probably never will exist, and if it did exist it would be overrun by niggers because it's racist to not have it go through niggertown.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I like the trains too (or at least, I think that the steam engines were beautiful), but I am not a deluded to think that there was some evil scheme to make people want cars. I think that the railways still have their uses for freight and scenic traveling, but it's hard to ignore just how effective air travel is and the ease by which a car allows people to move at any given time.

Trains definitely have their place in the system. It's just over reliance on them, like with anything is dumb. I want to use ALL modes of transportation. That's how you make a efficient country. Relying on only one thing breaks the system.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

It doesn't exist, probably never will exist, and if it did exist it would be overrun by niggers because it's racist to not have it go through niggertown.

And there's the catch: I was going to bring up metro systems as a boon of railways, but then I remembered that most western metros are overrun with the dregs of society that make it more dangerous than it is worth unless you are taking the lines associated with the cultural districts (because even the worst mayors usually know that letting tourists get mugged on the subway makes them look bad). Also, from a simply aesthetic point, metro stations are usually pretty ugly; most cities won't make anything like the Moscow Metro when they know most people won't use it.