A masters degree in piano performance ain't cheap either. Pissing away all that money for that degree and then... doing absolutely nothing with it just reeks of the kind of detatched-from-reality privilege of someone who grew up very wealthy. I hesitate to call it a "useless degree" because the world needs music but there's definitely a level of indulgent idiocy to just abandon it after in favor of blowing up like a beach ball and taking a pocket pony everywhere so you can cry oppression when people point and laugh I get the feeling she may not have been very good at piano and it was a pay-to-play kind of deal.
It's actually a lot of work to be a performance major, especially piano performance. And to get a master's? That's dedication.
If she were any other music major (like a BA, or music education), I would agree, but performance is the next level.
The master's degree students I've known had to have some sort of big lecture recital at the end of their tenure. This means that they prepared almost 2 hours of music, and most of it is memorized (fuck you Liszt). And this was alongside research into the composer, that would then be presented to people. Usually the lectures are about the music being performed, the history of the pieces, and maybe some background on the composer if they weren't super well-known.
She would have to audition to even prove that she was capable of achieving a high enough standard to be a performance major. A college wouldn't want to fuck up their reputation by having it be known they let anyone be a performance major. She would have gone to lessons every week with a professor, who would have then had to have approved if whatever she was playing. There's steps to ensuring you can't fuck up and make the college look like shit.
It's not surprising she couldn't find a job, because it's a music degree. Your main job is going to be teaching, alongside maybe working churches and weddings.
Shit, she could have probably gotten a lot of clientele as a teacher if she advertised having her mini horse with her! I don't think she should/could teach with her apartment like that, but you can rent out a space for a studio. Personally, I get a lot of girls who are doing pageants and need a talent, and they're the exact age that would practice and be good students if it meant they could feed it a sugar cube.
okay that makes sense. I am one of the "useless degree" people myself (humanities rather than arts though) and do know how much work goes into that kind of stuff that people like to just write off. It's why I wasn't going to discount her out of hand. People need music and they need art and being able and encouraged to create is something I think is important.
The ability to put that much time and work into that though and then do nothing with it at the end is what gets my goat.
That being said: what a shame. Like you said she could have taught or played weddings or what have you and the mini horse would have been such a bonus marketing tactic.
Is the professional classical piano world as image obsessed as the regular art/performing arts world? Cause that might have contributed. Or just general aimlessness after being told you're actually never gonna be the next Glenn Gould and it's time to trade the recital ballgowns for piano teacher maxi skirts and dowdy heels.
okay that makes sense. I am one of the "useless degree" people myself (humanities rather than arts though) and do know how much work goes into that kind of stuff that people like to just write off. It's why I wasn't going to discount her out of hand. People need music and they need art and being able and encouraged to create is something I think is important.
The ability to put that much time and work into that though and then do nothing with it at the end is what gets my goat.
That being said: what a shame. Like you said she could have taught or played weddings or what have you and the mini horse would have been such a bonus marketing tactic.
Is the professional classical piano world as image obsessed as the regular art/performing arts world? Cause that might have contributed. Or just general aimlessness after being told you're actually never gonna be the next Glenn Gould and it's time to trade the recital ballgowns for piano teacher maxi skirts and dowdy heels.
Tbh, I have no idea.
But, the impression I've gotten is that, it's more you can't expect jobs performing. Flat out, just don't expect it. Unless you're from Juliard or somewhere with prestige, you're chasing an impossible dream.
just caught up with this thread, glad to know in correct to be scared of horses.
anyway, from reddit, a DID faker encounters a normal person
My brothers (27m) girlfriend (26f) has an “alter” of my child
I’m 34m, wife is 32f, brother is 27m and brothers girlfriend is 26f.
I’m looking for advice here because this is completely over my head and my initial reaction to this is probably way off.
My brother has been dating his gf for about a year now. She’s a nice girl but at times her behavior is odd and erratic.
She asked over and over again to babysit for my kids (girl and boy, 3 and 5). My wife and I have always said no. This weekend we had a barbecue and she was acting EXTREMELY strangely-only speaking in a baby voice, not talking to any of the adults, running around with the kids.
My wife pulled me aside at one point extremely upset. She has found her in our 3 year olds room, in her playpen/ball pit area, sucking her thumb covered in our daughters blankets with all of her stuffed animals. My wife was completely confused as to what was going on and when she asked my brothers girlfriend what she was doing she responded in a baby voice that she was “tired” and needed “nappies”.
My wife came immediately to get me and we both confronted my brother to ask him what the hell was going on. My brother got extremely embarrassed. He said that his girlfriend has “Dissociative Identity Disorder” and one of her “alters” is a 3 year old girl.
My wife and I don’t know anything about this disorder so we didn’t really say anything, just told him to please go get her and keep her out of our kids room. He went to get her but within 15 minutes he still wasn’t out. I went to go see what was going on and his girlfriend was extremely upset, insisting that he calls her Avalyn, our daughters name.
That was the last straw for my wife. She told her to leave, brothers girlfriend started straight up sobbing using her baby voice saying she’s confused and doesn’t understand why everyone is “being mean to her” and calling her the wrong name.
That night my brother called and admitted that not only is one of her “alters” a three year old, it’s very specifically OUR three year old. He said he can’t talk to her about this because when she’s not her “Avalyn” alter she doesn’t remember anything and when she is her Avalyn alter she isn’t “rational”.
My wife and I told my brother she’s not allowed at family functions anymore, and she’s not allowed around our kids. My wife was extremely upset and told my brother that his girlfriend was “psychotic” and that she wouldn’t understand why he was still with someone like that.
My brother is upset that my wife said those things about her and said he understands we would be upset about her having an alter of our daughter but she can’t help it and we should be more understanding because it’s a disorder due to “childhood trauma”.
Did my wife and I handle this the right way? We know nothing about this disorder, and doing research into it, the medical definition doesn’t seem to match the way my brothers girlfriend is acting.
Adding from a comment because it seems relevant:
She doesn’t have an official diagnosis. (putting that in bold because people keep asking). Apparently it was rude of my wife and I to ask if she was getting treatment or had a diagnosis because “therapy isn’t available to everyone” and “self diagnosis is valid.”
She comes from a very affluent family and definitely has the resources to get therapy and a proper diagnosis.
UPDATE: My brothers (27m) girlfriend (26f) made an “alter” of my child
So to start things off, my wife and I have done a lot of research into Dissociative Identity Disorder. Right off the bat, I’ll be blunt here. I don’t believe in the “fad” DID, or anything that goes along with it.
I don’t think people are “programmed” to be systems. I don’t think people make “fictives” over characters from TV or movies. I definitely don’t think it’s possible to make an “alter” of a specific three year old girl. I think that’s all attention seeking BS. I don’t know about the validity of actual DID, if it does exist, because at this point it is being faked so much it’s impossible to figure out if it’s an actual disorder or not. I definitely don’t think if someone did actually have DID they would be on Reddit casually talking and making videos about “meeting the alters” and BS like that. (And no, I don’t think being in the DSM proves ANY validity whatsoever.) I do think if you really are convinced you have DID you probably do have some sort of disorder that you should get checked out with an actual, reputable doctor.
Now that’s out of the way, my wife and I have heard from my brother after the party. He still thinks we owe his girlfriend an apology. We told him that he owes us an apology for not telling us about his girlfriends erratic and psychotic behavior. (I’m not using the term psychotic to be insulting. I really do think she’s experiencing some sort of psychosis.) My wife told him that due to his extraordinary lack of judgment in bringing her around our family, and our kids, when he knew about this, we didn’t really feel comfortable having him around our children without one of us directly there either.
We encouraged him to get her to see an actual doctor and get checked out. We told him we’d be willing to help her look for doctors in the area if she needed support and didn’t want to involve her family in this for whatever reason. But we also told him under no circumstances will she be allowed around our children again unless she goes through intensive therapy, realizes what she did was wrong and apologizes for it.
Thanks to everyone for pushing us in the right direction as to what to do. We really appreciated all of your input and comments.
To clarify: I’m not saying DID isn’t real, I don’t know. I think you all know what DID “fad” I’m taking about. I don’t believe in the social media DID. THE “meet the alters” and “watch me switch!” BS. and yes- she does have a TT account where she does pretend to be my daughter.
I think there’s a contagion happening like with the psychosomatic tic epidemic that happened a while ago. Dramatic, performative symptoms are cool now. And people with trauma histories that might have caused something like BPD are going online, seeing these awful fake portrayals, and shuffling all of their instability into “multiple personalities” so they can act out urges they would have to find a healthier way to deal with, like sleeping in your vague relative’s daughter’s crib and pretending to be loved and cared for.
There are dissociative conditions caused by severe developmental trauma, but they don’t look like this. Changing the name away from multiple personalities did not stop the flood of multiple personalities.
What people are portraying online as DID, and the larps these people are undertaking, with all the same talking points, “diagnosis is inaccessible, I know myself, shut up” (dude you’re asking us to believe you don’t need help figuring out what’s going on, but also believe you’re 20 different people who cannot communicate at all and cannot be held responsible for what each other do? You know everything but also don’t know anything and can’t be held responsible?) I think is more likely someone with BPD who is having trouble integrating and coping with their trauma and how it can make them behave. The psychiatric system is pretty shitty to people who cannot emotionally regulate. This online version of DID gives them a cooler and more acceptable diagnosis that allows them to manipulate people around them to meet their needs without having to do any actual work or healing. Not getting treatment or even seeking a diagnosis is very telling. Because treatment leads to NOT using dissociation to cope, and they just created these alters, they want to play with them now, not make them go away!
I hope that this dramatic presentation ends up getting absorbed as an identity disturbance subset of BPD where the person manufactures alters or multiple personalities to cope later in life, after learning about the more dramatic, publicized DID, or any of the travesties on tik tok. They truly believe they have them, and do all sorts of copes to keep this idea true for them including villianizing and flipping the script on anyone who expresses doubt or wants them to look into other issues that might not be DID. But the focus of their condition is the alters, the switching, how different and striking each personality is. Switching is used to avoid responsibility, and like when the brother’s girlfriend was found in the daughter’s crib insisting to be called her name, they are not expected to get a real diagnosis (because they’d have to manipulate a therapist into it, a dissociation specialist would see right through them), and asking them to take responsibility or at least refrain if they cannot manage their symptoms is seen as ableist. No psychiatric condition works like that. This version of DID is “don’t tell me I have BPD I NEED to be able to sleep in child’s cribs instead of engaging with therapy.” Anyone who relates to the online version, or won’t take responsibility, or presents with alters as the focus of the condition has this BPD version, in my opinion.
There are real dissociative conditions caused by severe childhood trauma that cause identity disturbance, memory loss, dissociation. But the person is still one person, and the “alters” are compartmentalizations, not fully fleshed out people who will sleep in child’s cribs and insist they don’t need to find another way for that traumatized piece of themselves to cope. If a person with a trauma disorder found out they had slept in a child’s crib and insisted on being called that name, and that it had panicked their family and everyone was concerned about safety, that person would accept responsibility, help, and take steps to support themselves and their triggers so that they’re not invading boundaries and passing the pain onto others.
The whole “I’m not going to get help or change, you just have to let me do this” is very BPD. People with dissociative disorders are embarrassed. They would be mortified and do everything to take responsibility and manage themselves better.
Anyone publicizing their DID diagnosis, especially if it’s all about the alters, does not have DID. The people who really need and want the help aren’t getting it, because it’s more important that people can get stuff by pretending to be multiple people. “Social media DID” is a thing. They just need to name it something else so all these dipshits can have their conferences and pretend to be their relatives on social media. Let traumatized people get on with their lives and access help. They don’t need the internet to suck each one of their dissociated dicks.
I think there’s a contagion happening like with the psychosomatic tic epidemic that happened a while ago. Dramatic, performative symptoms are cool now. And people with trauma histories that might have caused something like BPD are going online, seeing these awful fake portrayals, and shuffling all of their instability into “multiple personalities” so they can act out urges they would have to find a healthier way to deal with, like sleeping in your vague relative’s daughter’s crib and pretending to be loved and cared for.
There are real dissociative conditions caused by severe childhood trauma that cause identity disturbance, memory loss, dissociation. But the person is still one person, and the “alters” are compartmentalizations, not fully fleshed out people who will sleep in child’s cribs and insist they don’t need to find another way for that traumatized piece of themselves to cope. If a person with a trauma disorder found out they had slept in a child’s crib and insisted on being called that name, and that it had panicked their family and everyone was concerned about safety, that person would accept responsibility, help, and take steps to support themselves and their triggers so that they’re not invading boundaries and passing the pain onto others.
The whole “I’m not going to get help or change, you just have to let me do this” is very BPD. People with dissociative disorders are embarrassed. They would be mortified and do everything to take responsibility and manage themselves better.
While I agree that we're knee deep in a mental health epidemic, I don't think that BPD nor DID are as prevalent as attention seeking retards on the Internet would have you believe. They fake mental illness because, like you said, it's the new 'cool' thing to do, it lets them pity bait, milk attention and seem more unique than they really are. At least back in the day people had to cut themselves for attention. Might look different, but its really the same thing: poor parenting and media / school-taught brainrot causes kids to form shit attachment styles, beg for attention and try to eke out a sense of belonging wherever they can, and it just so happens that the mental illness faker crowd is super easy to get into. Others like to grandstand and feel power because, again, they have been cognitively poisoned by not being brought up correctly, and others still are just in it to try and make a quick buck. They ape stuff like DID or Tourett because they are very easy to fake, and they look 'flashy' through a screen. Real DID is an incredibly rare and difficult illness to diagnose. I also don't think the majority of people faking DID et al. are munchies either, just attention whores looking for a quick high.
It would be hilarious if someone faked having something like Tourette so hard they actually developed uncontrolled tics. Something like a self-induced psychogenic tic disorder.
I hope that this dramatic presentation ends up getting absorbed as an identity disturbance subset of BPD where the person manufactures alters or multiple personalities to cope later in life, after learning about the more dramatic, publicized DID, or any of the travesties on tik tok. They truly believe they have them, and do all sorts of copes to keep this idea true for them including villianizing and flipping the script on anyone who expresses doubt or wants them to look into other issues that might not be DID. But the focus of their condition is the alters, the switching, how different and striking each personality is. Switching is used to avoid responsibility, and like when the brother’s girlfriend was found in the daughter’s crib insisting to be called her name, they are not expected to get a real diagnosis (because they’d have to manipulate a therapist into it, a dissociation specialist would see right through them), and asking them to take responsibility or at least refrain if they cannot manage their symptoms is seen as ableist. No psychiatric condition works like that. This version of DID is “don’t tell me I have BPD I NEED to be able to sleep in child’s cribs instead of engaging with therapy.” Anyone who relates to the online version, or won’t take responsibility, or presents with alters as the focus of the condition has this BPD version, in my opinion.
Since I brought up Julian Gavino/Shelby Lynn Logsdon in the last one, someone asked me if she was also faking Jewish since she posts about bringing her dog to the synagogue.
Shelby's own parents are Catholic or at least faked it well enough to get married in a Catholic church.
Her new wife Schuyler's parents are from the NY Metro area, so we're getting closer. Mom grew up in Glen Cove, NY and dad in Manville, NJ.
On her dad's side she's Polish Catholic.
On her mom's side, we have Jack and Lyn (Marilyn) Schwartz. I can't find any direct proof that Jack is Jewish, but Marilyn sure is. Here's her mother (Schuyler's maternal great grandma).
So yeah, Schuyler is Jewish, I don't know if Shelby is seriously planning a conversion or just playing along because it's another minority she can identify into. ETA: Jack's father George is listed in the 1930 census as speaking Yiddish so yeah that whole branch of her family tree is Jewish.
That horse girl is making me so fucking mad at the internet. What an obvious bullshit artist. Yet the comments are filled with idiots validating her idiotic larp.
With the buzz about Stephanie Aston dying after being diagnosed with Fictitious Disorder, I have to wonder ... How exactly does one die from undiagnosed EDS?
My understanding, from occasionally reading in this thread, is that the vascular type can be fatal, but isn't that easily found with a genetic sequencing? I've noticed the phrasing in the (really only the one, rehashed repeatedly across the media) articles is very suspicious. She died, in her home, after a doctor refused to diagnose her with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome.
So. How?
Because right now I'm the horrible cynical person assuming this woman threw a strop after not getting her Shinies and went home to off herself, riding down the idea of being some kind of Zebra Martyr for all the other sick widdle girls.
Logging back in to express gratitude to KateFarmsShill for this horse girl write up, but also disdain for making have to read about this ridiculous person. Every time I think she's peaked, she does something worse. I can't believe the story hasn't finished yet. Semper Fi, Flirty.
Wow, I’ve been following this thread for at least a year, and today I realize that Kate is not a shill for the (Kiwi) Farms, but a shill for feeding tube slop! Am I rétarded? (Yes)
Wow, I’ve been following this thread for at least a year, and today I realize that Kate is not a shill for the (Kiwi) Farms, but a shill for feeding tube slop! Am I rétarded? (Yes)
With the buzz about Stephanie Aston dying after being diagnosed with Fictitious Disorder, I have to wonder ... How exactly does one die from undiagnosed EDS?
I hadn't heard of this one before, but the factitious disorder diagnosis was back in 2018 and the NZ Herald did a long write up about it which talks about how she's a Midwife () and that she was sectioned (put under a psychiatric hold) because her haemoglobin was critically low and she refused to get treatment. Under 24/7 watch, without blood transfusion, her Hb went from 30 to 60, which implies she wasn't able to bleed herself (she says it was due to the iron infusion she got on arrival but those take a good 2 weeks to start doing anything).
It's all a bit fishy, and she did have an EDS diagnosis but the Psychiatrist that posited that she had Factitious Disorder wasn't saying she didn't have it, but saying it was irrelevant and didn't explain her symptoms/presentation.
edit: fuck sorry I didn't mean to double post. forgive me.
Since I brought up Julian Gavino/Shelby Lynn Logsdon in the last one, someone asked me if she was also faking Jewish since she posts about bringing her dog to the synagogue.
Her new wife Schuyler's parents are from the NY Metro area, so we're getting closer. Mom grew up in Glen Cove, NY and dad in Manville, NJ. View attachment 5324494View attachment 5324495
On her mom's side, we have Jack and Lyn (Marilyn) Schwartz. I can't find any direct proof that Jack is Jewish, but Marilyn sure is. Here's her mother (Schuyler's maternal great grandma). View attachment 5324539
So yeah, Schuyler is Jewish, I don't know if Shelby is seriously planning a conversion or just playing along because it's another minority she can identify into. ETA: Jack's father George is listed in the 1930 census as speaking Yiddish so yeah that whole branch of her family tree is Jewish.
Not to offend any Kiwis who are named Shelby, but every time I read the name Shelby Lynn Logsdon, I think, "Damn it, Shelby Lynn! Go get Mama's smokes! Her stories are comin' on the teevee!"
My understanding, from occasionally reading in this thread, is that the vascular type can be fatal, but isn't that easily found with a genetic sequencing? I've noticed the phrasing in the (really only the one, rehashed repeatedly across the media) articles is very suspicious. She died, in her home, after a doctor refused to diagnose her with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome.
Yeah a few people have been discussing this one with me and we're uh, unconvinced.
Yes, vEDS can be fatal (usually from aortic dissection / aneurysm). A genetics test would show if she had vEDS mutations and then her aorta would be monitored to help catch any issues early. But like, every flag in this story is red.
She had unexplained anemia that didn't improve with any treatment and required blood transfusions. When she was put under close observation in the hospital, she mysteriously improved. Kelly Ronahan is that u.
Cause of death: sepsis. Not a super rare vEDS complication. Just about every girl in this thread has a sepsis or three under their belts. Hers apparently started while she was hospitalized getting transfusions and it was one of the reasons the hospital thought she was faking. All anyone says is after that she went home and died, but it doesn't specify if she left against medical advice before they finished treating her for it or finished treatment, was discharged, then developed sepsis a second time and refused treatment. Either way it reeks of martyr complex to me.
People keep saying she had genetic confirmation of her disease and they still didn't believe her. She actually went to a rheum and alleged EDS specialist who "diagnosed" her with classical EDS based on clinical signs only but suggested she might have vEDS and needs genetic confirmation to determine which. The rheum in question is Dr. Frazer Burling who all the kiwi zebras love because he is the only doctor in the country who believes them.
She was then diagnosed vEDS by two geneticists, Patrick Yap of Auckland Medical Specialists and Dr. Juliette Taylor of the Genetics Health Service. An actual genetics panel to check for the mutations is never mentioned, and if she did have one that's still no guarantee that she actually had one of the pathogenic mutations and not just a variant of uncertain significance they said might be causing disease.
Also why would she need multiple geneticists to diagnose her if she was already diagnosed with it? Maybe I just don't understand how NZ's health service works but if the first geneticist (Yap) diagnosed her and said yes you have this mutation for this disease why did she need another doctor to confirm it again?
IDK, not one thing about this sounds right. Its possible as @Flourishing Pinecone ❧ says that she actually did have EDS but was also an insane munchie causing problems and all the terrible problems she suffered were from the latter, but I've seen too many chicks claim they had genetic confirmation of EDS or Mitochondrial Disorder or even osteogensis imperfecta (what up Jamie Bruce!) and then it turns out they either went to a doctor who never ran an actual genetic screening or they got a screening but it only showed clinically insignificant mutations on the associated gene.
Not to offend any Kiwis who are named Shelby, but every time I read the name Shelby Lynn Logsdon, I think, "Damn it, Shelby Lynn! Go get Mama's smokes! Her stories are comin' on the teevee!"
Despite my reputation as Queen Terf, I am actually pretty pragmatic about the "deadname" situation. I didn't go nuts trying to find Hayden Williams' real name although I did call her "she". There's a bunch of these girls who use nicknames IRL or have changed their names and I don't really care - Rose Haley's real name is Constance and her roommate Willow's real name is Morgan but I call them Rose and Willow because that's what everyone else does. I might find it really fucking funny to refer to our resident crow-kin (CAW CAW) as Clarissa but everyone knows her as Kellen so that's what I use.
But believe me when I say that 100% of my motivation for consistently using the name Shelby Lynn Logsdon is that it is so delightfully redneck sounding. I just about pissed myself laughing when I found out what it was and I hope it drives her up a fucking wall that everyone knows her shame now.
Wow, I’ve been following this thread for at least a year, and today I realize that Kate is not a shill for the (Kiwi) Farms, but a shill for feeding tube slop! Am I rétarded? (Yes)
Ahhhh okay this requires some explanation. Tl;dr for years I was a lurker in various forums but never really posted much so it never mattered what my handle was. I never really intended to post here either and thought I'd get mocked out of existence if I showed my creepy obsessive side.
I lurked here for a long time before I made an account, from like 2015 when someone linked it on LCF's Fit Vegan Ginger threads. I didn't actually make an account until Feb 2018 when LCF's admin banned munchie threads.
The handle was chosen because my favorite munchie of all time Amanda "Skinwalker" Winig was still active and public and posting on youtube. One of the last videos she made was for feeding tube awareness and it was basically a love letter to Kate Farms, which was at the time one of this big spoonie prizes they all wanted. If you could get kate farms formula it meant you were really special. I have a very distinct memory of this video, of her, emaciated and dead-eyed with her creepy smile, laying on her back on the floor with the carton of formula held to her cheek, saying "with my feeding tube and my Kate Farms Komplete formula, I'm fighting back from malnutrition." I do not know why this tickled me so pink, maybe because I saw their aggressive social media ad campaign that was in full swing at the time and found it wonderfully absurd that there were people being social media influencers for a feeding tube formula brand.
I was not really intending to post on this account and was just kind of intending on hanging around and maybe saying something here or there. So I picked Kate Farms Shill and a screenshot of Amanda holding the carton to her face as my original PFP because it was funny to me and no one else really needed to get it. Then when Amanda and Jaquie both abruptly killed their insta accounts without warning and there were only partial archives of them, that's when I started archiving anyone I found that was interesting so that wouldn't happen again. I didn't post one until mid-2019 when Jaquie died and some Redditors came here to talk after complaining about heavy-handed modding on r/IllnessFakers. I happened to have the IF mod's accounts archived so I posted it here fully expecting to get mocked to oblivion. Instead I got a positive response so I started posting some others I had including Skinwalker. By the time I was posting regularly, Kate farms was kind of old news so the handle didn't make much sense anymore but also everyone knew me by it so there was no point changing it.
(honestly I'd really like to do that Skinwalker timeline again. I was very much Amateur Hour when I wrote it back in 2019 and I've posted a much better version in an obscure locked down corner of the internet, but I'm not sure where "redoing my old work because I'm a weird perfectionist" would fall on the kiwifarms autism spectrum.)
Not to offend any Kiwis who are named Shelby, but every time I read the name Shelby Lynn Logsdon, I think, "Damn it, Shelby Lynn! Go get Mama's smokes! Her stories are comin' on the teevee!"
I know I'm kind of late to the party, but I just can't wrap my mind around an "emotional support horse." It's just as bad as I expected. Maybe even worse. Semper fi to @Kate Farms Shill for not just finding but also compiling and posting this insanity.
And @Thomas Eugene Paris , I knew that the name Abrea reminded me of some medication's name! It was at the tip of my tongue, so to speak. Appropriate that Abreva treats herpes, because Abrea is now stuck in my memory forever like herpes.
Service animal horse horse just threw me back to an old job of mine and a situation where an employee submitted a permit request for a service animal that ended up being a mini-horse, which we thought was some kind of joke, but nope, they were deadass serious. (HR said no)
Also saw at least one person claim their pet rabbit was an emotional support animal and then later found to have smuggled it onto their truck.
Oh, and another guy tried to pass their iguana off as one.
we are both retarded 
) and that she was sectioned (put under a psychiatric hold) because her haemoglobin was critically low and she refused to get treatment. Under 24/7 watch, without blood transfusion, her Hb went from 30 to 60, which implies she wasn't able to bleed herself (she says it was due to the iron infusion she got on arrival but those take a good 2 weeks to start doing anything).
