Billie Bust Up Griefing thread

[Kiwi & Cow]

Wanted to do a Community Watch, but had no proof that the community is full of ultra spergs, so decided to make this instead.

For those who don't know Billie Bust Up is Furry A Hat In time (I'll get to that in a minute), it's a 3D platformer where you play as a goat who collects stuff and bosses have musicals, that's what the "rhythm" part of all the advertising about the game was.

It's also chock full of elements lifted from A Hat In Time, the air dash, the climbing on walls, an attack button but instead of an umbrella it's a wooden sword, hell it even has its own Snatcher called Barnaby.

Now whatever that's not really what I wanted to make this thread for, I've seen some severe autism, not directly from either the devs or the community (I'm not a frequent poster on pedo-riddled discord so can't check what happens behind closed doors sadly), but apparently all the characters in the game are either autistic or gay, I don't get it.

Those screenshots were my first exposure to this bullshit, but then after searching for a bit longer I saw the devs themselves just drew the characters holding each a different pride flag.

https://twitter.com/billiebustup/status/1533627281767284737

Preorder the game now and earn yourself the privilege of the 41% umbrella.

https://twitter.com/BillieBustUp/status/1685727922923896833

Add your 2 cents. Update the thread with new info if you can thx.

 

[Coolio55]

I was following this for a bit years ago because CUTE GOAT but then they started boasting about having a lesbian couple in the starting town and the main character being nonbinary and I slowly sidled away. I genuinely didn't expect it to be this bad though. Just another reason to never put up with rot.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

>ND Labels: DEAD
Wait, what? That's a neurodivergent label now? You've got ADHD, autism, goat, and dead?

 

[Anon88]

I think this is going to be a fun thread once the game comes out. It has the feeling of one of those things that dives so hard into the creators political views that it feels like a parody of itself.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Thanks, I hate it.

 

[Night Crawler]

Cringey faggot shit. I wouldn't touch it with a 100 foot pole.

This is the kind of cringey shit you have to stick in a lead lined barrel and bury under a mountain. That's how awful it is.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

I've kept tabs on the Indie game dev scene on and off for the past 6-7ish years and in that time, I've seen this cult of personality emerge where people on Twitter get attracted to games with cute characters (Mischief Makers, Yoshi's Island, Kirby 64 (specifically), Mega Man Legends), aspire to make games in a similar style, only now "reinvented for the modern era." And what that amounts to is them ultimately pulling an Undertale and making the protag non-binary or "gender-neutral", or trying to shoehorn in something LGBT-related for Twitter brownie points.

I've been seeing this stuff escalate slowly ever since Undertale came out. When it did, it not only was a massive deal amongst the people I was following at the time on both Twitter and Tumblr, but entire developers cut their teeth making Undertale fan art or fangames. For example, there's Taxiderby, who's started out making an Undertale fangame, and is now trying to make a furry top-down "dodge-em-up" that clearly isn't gonna be gay or anything. He's also working on Deltarune, in case you didn't know.

Other times, you have stuff like A Hat in Time, a game that I had always had this weird feeling about ever since I first heard about it, and when I heard about the hidden trans flag in the DLC, my suspicions were confirmed. Feels like now if you were to be an indie developer, you would have to be extra careful with who you associate with, lest you risk getting groomed or some rando will try to cancel you over trivial stuff. From the looks of it, this game just seems to be a microcosm of how much things have escalated over there.

tl;dr: The popularity of Undertale and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

 

[Carmen The Aids Rabbit]

Should I label the devs as brain dead autistasexuals as well?

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

I've kept tabs on the Indie game dev scene on and off for the past 6-7ish years and in that time, I've seen this cult of personality emerge where people on Twitter get attracted to games with cute characters (Mischief Makers, Yoshi's Island, Kirby 64 (specifically), Mega Man Legends), aspire to make games in a similar style, only now "reinvented for the modern era." And what that amounts to is them ultimately pulling an Undertale and making the protag non-binary or "gender-neutral", or trying to shoehorn in something LGBT-related for Twitter brownie points.

I've been seeing this stuff escalate slowly ever since Undertale came out. When it did, it not only was a massive deal amongst the people I was following at the time on both Twitter and Tumblr, but entire developers cut their teeth making Undertale fan art or fangames. For example, there's Taxiderby, who's started out making an Undertale fangame, and is now trying to make a furry top-down "dodge-em-up" that clearly isn't gonna be gay or anything. He's also working on Deltarune, in case you didn't know.

Other times, you have stuff like A Hat in Time, a game that I had always had this weird feeling about ever since I first heard about it, and when I heard about the hidden trans flag in the DLC, my suspicions were confirmed. Feels like now if you were to be an indie developer, you would have to be extra careful with who you associate with, lest you risk getting groomed or some rando will try to cancel you over trivial stuff. From the looks of it, this game just seems to be a microcosm of how much things have escalated over there.

tl;dr: The popularity of Undertale and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

I don't think AHIT is a good comparison, many normies will show unassailable support for "the oppressed", OAG has made a laundry list of corpos and people who showed support for BLM, this ironically includes Chris Ray Gun and Chick-fil-A who aren't really liked by the wokes. At worst, they would pull a Yooka Laylee and remove every voice lines of 1 of their voice actors because he or she had very offensive opinions online. Last minute edit: Oh wait I actually remember they had Jon's voice in AHIT okay I take that back, they're 60% based, deducting 40% for supporting troons tho
I think the devs of that Billie game are far worse, like NITW lead developers worse. Their politics will reflect poorly on the narrative and like I've seen time and time again (Temtem, Last of Us part 2, Wolfenstein: The New Order, etc) the game's going to come out and make a buzz for literally all the wrong reasons. They probably have shitty personalities too if they obsess so much about something so nonconsequential as "gender identity" (even if methinks it's bollocks).

You're spot on about Undertale, but I think it's a symptom of a bigger problem instead of a problem in of itself. The culture war bullshit with SJWs controlling the media was well a thing by 2014 and 2015 infact that's at this time Gamergate and anti-SJWs became popular and also cringe culture w/ Leafy, this was around this time Undertale came out. Toby was also part of a clique which's why his game just basically "came out of nowhere", Omori who's lead dev knows Toby in person I think also came out of nowhere. It's basically a clique and SJWs often form them to promote each other and make cancelling someone easier like Vic Mignogna. Games from politically incorrect devs like Pizza Tower becoming famous are an exception not the rule sadly and that's partly thanks to 4chan which kinda formed a cult following around the game early on.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Could you elaborate more on the clique aspect? Like, who was in Toby's own clique at the time?

 

[TheDataHorder]

ngl, this game interested me because i don't think a musical platformer has ever been done before.
off the wishlist it goes.

 

[Coolio55]

You're spot on about Undertale, but I think it's a symptom of a bigger problem instead of a problem in of itself. The culture war bullshit with SJWs controlling the media was well a thing by 2014 and 2015 infact that's at this time Gamergate and anti-SJWs became popular and also cringe culture w/ Leafy, this was around this time Undertale came out. Toby was also part of a clique which's why his game just basically "came out of nowhere", Omori who's lead dev knows Toby in person I think also came out of nowhere. It's basically a clique and SJWs often form them to promote each other and make cancelling someone easier like Vic Mignogna. Games from politically incorrect devs like Pizza Tower becoming famous are an exception not the rule sadly and that's partly thanks to 4chan which kinda formed a cult following around the game early on.

Could you elaborate more on the clique aspect? Like, who was in Toby's own clique at the time?

UNDERTALE only "came out of nowhere" if you weren't a fan of homestuck or (more obscurely) didn't go on starmen.net or play earthbound hacks.
I guess those would be his cliques.

It's strange though. Until recently he seemed like such a loner. Maybe less so before UNDERTALE, but still.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

UNDERTALE only "came out of nowhere" if you weren't a fan of homestuck or (more obscurely) didn't go on starmen.net or play earthbound hacks.
I guess those would be his cliques.

It's strange though. Until recently he seemed like such a loner. Maybe less so before UNDERTALE, but still.

Oh sure enough they're still talking about him over there and in that thread I found they're talking about finding a way for Ninja Muffin of Friday Night Funkin' fame to get into contact with Toby.

I was thinking more of Tumblr because that's where Homestuck was the most famous and 1 of the artists for undertale was Temmie Chang who's got a Tumblr and hell seems she's making games too, so someday they'll also blow out of nowhere.

https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Temmie_Chang

Also worth checking: https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Undertale_Developers

 

[Fatniggo1488]

>ND Labels: DEAD
Wait, what? That's a neurodivergent label now? You've got ADHD, autism, goat, and dead?

Guess the 41 club lacked representation.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Oh sure enough they're still talking about him over there and in that thread I found they're talking about finding a way for Ninja Muffin of Friday Night Funkin' fame to get into contact with Toby.

I was thinking more of Tumblr because that's where Homestuck was the most famous and 1 of the artists for undertale was Temmie Chang who's got a Tumblr and hell seems she's making games too, so someday they'll also blow out of nowhere.

https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Temmie_Chang

Also worth checking: https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Undertale_Developers

Are we just gonna gloss over how Toby had connections with Something Awful back in the day?

 

[Two Dollars]

Reminder that Toby has never referred to anyone in Undertale or Deltarune as “non-binary”. Some species in those games, including humans, are literally genderless in the same sense that legendary Pokemon are genderless. Both games do this to reinforce the twist that you’re not actually controlling who you think you’re controlling (in Undertale, the protagonist and the character you name at the beginning are two different characters, while in Deltarune, you play as the human soul that’s controlling Kris, but Kris can break free from the soul and, by extension, your control). By leaving it ambiguous, you’re meant to self-insert yourself as the main character, which makes the revelation that you’re not actually playing as that “self-insert” more impactful.

Unfortunately, it’s Current Year, and people ran with this intentional ambiguity the way you’d expect them to. And to be fair, it’s not completely apolitical. There are three gay relationships that I know of: Undyne and Alphys (Alphys was originally designed as a male), Susie and Noelle (highly debatable since, at the risk of getting into shipping autism, Susie only sees Noelle as a friend and the game seems to be building up KrisXSusie), and the two guards (no excuse for this one, but at least they’re only minor characters). Besides this, I don’t think there’s even anything political in these games, and Toby stays away from talking about politics online.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Reminder that Toby has never referred to anyone in Undertale or Deltarune as “non-binary”. Some species in those games, including humans, are literally genderless in the same sense that legendary Pokemon are genderless. Both games do this to reinforce the twist that you’re not actually controlling who you think you’re controlling (in Undertale, the protagonist and the character you name at the beginning are two different characters, while in Deltarune, you play as the human soul that’s controlling Kris, but Kris can break free from the soul and, by extension, your control). By leaving it ambiguous, you’re meant to self-insert yourself as the main character, which makes the revelation that you’re not actually playing as that “self-insert” more impactful.

Unfortunately, it’s Current Year, and people ran with this intentional ambiguity the way you’d expect them to. And to be fair, it’s not completely apolitical. There are three gay relationships that I know of: Undyne and Alphys (Alphys was originally designed as a male), Susie and Noelle (highly debatable since, at the risk of getting into shipping autism, Susie only sees Noelle as a friend and the game seems to be building up KrisXSusie), and the two guards (no excuse for this one, but at least they’re only minor characters). Besides this, I don’t think there’s even anything political in these games, and Toby stays away from talking about politics online.

I wouldn't say Toby is anywhere near as demented as the topic of this thread, but it's moreso that Undertale "gave Tumblr an inch" and they took it a mile. Tumblr had something to rally around post-LoveWins, when the radical left was emboldened and hungry for media that would help push their agenda and vision for the future. It's why Steven Universe suddenly blew up so much after the first StevenBomb.

 

[Coolio55]

I was thinking more of Tumblr because that's where Homestuck was the most famous and 1 of the artists for undertale was Temmie Chang who's got a Tumblr and hell seems she's making games too, so someday they'll also blow out of nowhere.

https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Temmie_Chang

Toby was very much a tumblr browser and you can find old comments of his on the blogs of people he eventually hired because he liked them but he didn't seem to post that much content himself.

And again, is something really "coming from nowhere" if the creator was well known on a previous high profile project? I'm pretty sure that everyone already knows Temmie as "One of the main UNDERTALE artists" and not "Some brand new creator from the mist".

Are we just gonna gloss over how Toby had connections with Something Awful back in the day?

Did he actually or are you getting confused with Everdraed?
As far as I know, nobody's ever found Toby's account if he had one.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Did he actually or are you getting confused with Everdraed?

Possibly. I remember reading in a YouTube comment that Toby did use the forums at one point, but if no one's found anything yet it could just be chocked up to SA-influence rubbing off through Tumblr or Twitter (which many SA goons migrated to).

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

And again, is something really "coming from nowhere" if the creator was well known on a previous high profile project? I'm pretty sure that everyone already knows Temmie as "One of the main UNDERTALE artists" and not "Some brand new creator from the mist".

Honestly yeah. It's not like Toby had a large following back when he was working on the game.

Atleast even if FNAF kinda seemed to suddenly blow up in popularity, Scott had made other games that got moderate attention. Jim Sterling even gloated that he basically is the reason why FNAF is even FNAF and that's not a small youtuber. Seriously I've never heard of his romhack before and I didn't even know he made music for Homestuck, that's really not a good track record for a dev like him.

Pizza Tower dev updated his game frequently and most of the demos were playable and public on top of outsourcing his beta testers from 4chan.

Super Meat Boy was made by a guy who is well known on Newgrounds and it was a huge site a decade ago. Starmen.net doesn't even compare.

Choo Choo Charles became this phenomenon thanks to youtube, the dev just posted all his updates on youtube and it got a lot of attention.

Infact another thing that supports my position is the kickstarter, it also got moderate support. Compare it to FNF's kickstarter where the funding was blown out of the water. I know Temtem had a kickstarter and it didn't become a behemoth like undertale despite 10 times the funding.

The way I see it, undertale only came to be this huge success because Toby's circle of friends advertised the game as much as possible to get more people to play it and then SJWs who thought this game was woke kept the speed going by advertising it in turn, I don't have proof of it, but I'm sure of it. That's why I think it came out of nowhere because it did, a nobody made a game that was known by nobody and got very little traction outside of Tumblr and Starmen and then suddenly this somehow turns into a big deal long after the kickstarter.