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As I understand it you can have agreed conditions on the dropping of a case, but from what we've seen Chris seems to be under some form of care order.
Yeah, that's what Chris' autism deferral thing was.

Chris stuck to the agreed conditions, fulfilled them, and in exchange he got his case dropped. It ended there.

There's no reason to think Chris is under any kind of care order. Maybe Chris could've been persuaded to voluntarily live at some kind of home, but that's about all I can think of.
 
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Yeah, that's what Chris' autism deferral thing was.

Chris stuck to the agreed conditions, fulfilled them, and in exchange he got his case dropped. It ended there.

There's no reason to think Chris is under any kind of care order. Maybe Chris could've been persuaded to voluntarily live at some kind of home, but that's about all I can think of.
It seems quite likely that he is under a care order as part of agreement to drop the case, the wangler the one trip to BLC, don't seem to be very Chris like things to do outside of a binding legal agreement plus the restricted Internet activities. It would show a massive increase in self restraint without others instruction.
 
It seems quite likely that he is under a care order as part of agreement to drop the case
This would be extremely unusual. There's a procedure for various types of deferred prosecutions, laid out in VA statute, and they seem to have followed the autism one.

They almost certainly just stamped Chris' papers as having completed the deferred disposition for persons with autism or intellectual disabilities process and released him.

The procedure doesn't allow for probation to extend beyond dismissal. I don't know if it's necessarily illegal for a prosecutor to craft some kind of custom arrangement, but it'd be highly unusual. None of them care nearly enough about Chris to bother. His is just another case on their desk. And they want it off their desk.

There's a lot simpler explanations for his recent behavior than a random prosecutor being interested enough in Chris' case to bother haggling some kind of deal with Chris' lawyer, beyond what state law already provides for.
the wangler the one trip to BLC
Wrangler could just be a social worker checking in on him.
plus the restricted Internet activities. It would show a massive increase in self restraint without others instruction.
No, that's pretty ordinary Chris. Chris doesn't necessarily have this driving compulsion to sperg out online.

For example, back in the old days (ie liquid and around then), he really had to be pestered to go online and wasn't very enthused about it naturally. And after Bob died, everyone went hands off and left him alone, so without being pestered to post content, he just slid off and was offline for like three years.

Now certainly nowadays he sees why he can go online to beg for stuff, but I wouldn't describe Chris as super desperate for internet attention, in and of itself. He's desperate for his own weird desires, which sometimes can be acquired online, sometimes not.
 
I mean, they dropped the charges. Are they threatening to refile them if he doesn't comply?
Depends on whether the dismissal was with or without prejudice. In the latter case, they couldn't.

The default in Virginia (as in many states) is dismissal without prejudice unless explicitly denoted otherwise. So I would assume they could refile charges at least within the statute of limitations, and of course, they could prosecute any further offenses of the same nature or otherwise.
 
They almost certainly just stamped Chris' papers as having completed the deferred disposition for persons with autism or intellectual disabilities process and released him.

The procedure doesn't allow for probation to extend beyond dismissal. I don't know if it's necessarily illegal for a prosecutor to craft some kind of custom arrangement, but it'd be highly unusual. None of them care nearly enough about Chris to bother. His is just another case on their desk. And they want it off their desk.
There is this section in the Tism Deferral Bill:

...after giving due consideration to the position of the attorney for the Commonwealth and the views of the victim, defer further proceedings and place the accused on probation subject to terms and conditions set by the court. Upon violation of a term or condition, the court may enter an adjudication of guilt; or upon fulfillment of the terms and conditions, the court may discharge the person and dismiss the proceedings against him without an adjudication of guilt.
It sounds like the court can set whatever probation terms they want, in addition to nailing Chris with an automatic guilty plea for the crime and taking it from there.
 
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There is this section in the Tism Deferral Bill:


It sounds like the court can set whatever probation terms they want, in addition to nailing Chris with an automatic guilty plea for the crime and taking it from there.
See the second part of your quote.
upon fulfillment of the terms and conditions, the court may discharge the person and dismiss the proceedings against him without an adjudication of guilt.
That's after all the probation terms have been fulfilled. If they were following that protocol, any probation terms and conditions are done with by now.
 
There is this section in the Tism Deferral Bill:


It sounds like the court can set whatever probation terms they want, in addition to nailing Chris with an automatic guilty plea for the crime and taking it from there.
Yes, but we're past that phase.
Upon violation of a term or condition, the court may enter an adjudication of guilt; or upon fulfillment of the terms and conditions, the court may discharge the person and dismiss the proceedings against him without an adjudication of guilt.
The court has discharged the person and dismissed the proceedings without an adjudication of guilt.

My guess is the default Virginia rule applies and it's without prejudice, i.e. they could bring it again, subject to statute of limitations and any other limitations on prosecutions. I think they'd need an actual reason, though.

I could be wrong and it actually is dismissed with prejudice, either because the dismissal explicitly says so, or because of some general rule about deferred adjudications I don't know. I mean it would seem kind of ridiculous to have a deferred adjudication rule that just allowed the prosecution immediately to refile the same case for no reason at all.
 
That's after all the probation terms have been fulfilled. If they were following that protocol, any probation terms and conditions are done with by now.
Have the probation terms been fulfilled though? What are they? Remember, this is a brand spanking new law and Chris is probably the worst crime they've seen with it. The law reads like the courts can impose whatever they like as terms.
...after giving due consideration to the position of the attorney for the Commonwealth and the views of the victim
So Barb could have hand in what would ultimately happen with Chris as well. She might have been completely done with Chris and might have just told the courts that Chris needs considerable amount of training and guidance. Remember, Chris said they barely talked during the years in jail, and wouldn't even pickup sometimes when he called. She could have completely washed her hands of him.
 
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Have the probation terms been fulfilled though? What are they? Remember, this is a brand spanking new law and Chris is probably the worst crime they've seen with it. The law reads like the courts can impose whatever they like as terms.
They can impose whatever terms they like. But per the text of the law, dropping the charges happens after whatever those terms are have been fulfilled. Since that happened, that implies that the terms have been fulfilled.

Also this is generally typical with their other deferred prosecution processes. The autism law just explicitly added a new autism version of it.
 
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However, I realized that life is more convoluted. It’s less like a story book, and more like a sitcom. There are many arcs, A-plots, B-plots, C-plots, plots that merge, plots that split, goals attained instantly, goals attained after hard work, happy endings to those goals, sad endings to those happy endings, happy endings to other sad endings, all entangled on what TV tropes calls a Kudzu plot.



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I think it's funny how they say everyone's brain finishes developing at 25. That's BS. CWC uploaded their first famous video in 2007, at 25.
 
WE know Chris only did the lightest jail time, but do you think Chris knows that?

Do you think he thinks he's a hardened criminal now and instead of saying "don't call anybody" at his next altercation, he'll shout "FUCK THE POLICE! I ain't afraid to go back to PRISON!"
 
WE know Chris only did the lightest jail time, but do you think Chris knows that?

Do you think he thinks he's a hardened criminal now and instead of saying "don't call anybody" at his next altercation, he'll shout "FUCK THE POLICE! I ain't afraid to go back to PRISON!"
That's the dream scenario. Chris commits some crime, thinks he's a badass, gets sent to actual prison, gets raped and murdered there.
 
I mean, they dropped the charges. Are they threatening to refile them if he doesn't comply?
Do you think police would give shit to do any follow up reports to a sex pest in a society that shelter them? I personally witnessed and saw a furry pedophile getting their no contest plea and sex offender status removed from Texas Registry for example.

Personally I believe whatever was agreed on behind closed doors won't have a follow up.
 
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Do you think police would give shit to do any follow up reports to a sex pest in a society that shelter them? I personally witnessed and saw a furry pedophile getting their no contest plea and sex offender status removed from Texas Registry for example.

Personally I believe whatever was agreed on behind closed doors won't have a follow up.
I don't think there was anything to follow up on. I think they stuck to the standard autism deferral. Chris fulfilled all the conditions they laid out for him and after he did so, they dropped the charges. I don't see a prosecutor whipping up some kind of custom arrangement for Chris.
 
I don't think there was anything to follow up on. I think they stuck to the standard autism deferral. Chris fulfilled all the conditions they laid out for him and after he did so, they dropped the charges. I don't see a prosecutor whipping up some kind of custom arrangement for Chris.
Chris is obviously in some sort of managed care situation that he's unable to willingly leave as shown by his "minder" being spotted when he's out and about. It's extremely unlikely that he had a "Come to Tard Jesus moment" and willingly checked himself in. Odds are, the courts stipulated some time period of this managed care and there most likely is some kind punishment if Chris just says fuck it and leaves or refuses to do anything.

We also don't know what's in those court documents. The other thing is that since this is such a new law, there might not be anything in the court database system for whatever "dismissed" charges are. For example the whole "incest w/own child" thing. There could be a special name for whatever Chris got, and the ancient court software just was never updated with whatever that name is.
 
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Chris is obviously in some sort of managed care situation that he's unable to willingly leave as shown by his "minder" being spotted when he's out and about. It's extremely unlikely that he had a "Come to Tard Jesus moment" and willingly checked himself in.
I don't think he would've sought it out on his own. I'm sure someone (possibly a social worker) presented it to him as an option and he prefers that over being homeless.

But Chris isn't in a legal status where his autonomy as an adult has been suspended.
The other thing is that since this is such a new law, there might not be anything in the court database system for whatever "dismissed" charges are.
It's only a new law in so far as extending existing deferred disposition to cover autism. The underlying process is the same.
 
But Chris isn't in a legal status where his autonomy as an adult has been suspended.
In order for that to happen, Chris would have completely changed personality in order to willing stay with someone who is obviously wrangling him. When has Chris ever bought healthy food like actual vegetables, when he could just fuck off to McDonalds? Also, would he willingly just not go back to his "Temple" with all his toys and video games to sit around doing nothing unless there was some sort of punishment from some agency if he does?

Chris didn't magically become responsible after all this, so there's obviously something that's forcing him or scaring him into putting up with all this crap, which is what he spent decades fighting when other people suggested he do things like eating healthy.
 
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