[Found] Crossing the Rubicon

[DragoonSierra]

Maybe Harmeet Dhillon?

Beat me to it.

https://www.dhillonlaw.com/first-amendment/

Harmeet Dhillon's law firm has been pursuing a lot of free speech cases recently.

I don't know how much experience they have in tech directly, but they might be an option to look into. They're at least a sympathetic ear.

That kind of person is the LAST kind of person you want. What you want is the seasoned litigator. The pillar of the community. The man everyone loves to trade jokes with at the country club. The man with the impeccable record. The man looking for that ONE CASE that will cement his legacy. That could get him in front of the supreme court.

You don't want the person who wants those kinds of slings of arrows. You want the person those slings and arrows cannot touch.

Harmeet Dhillon has experience with LFJ, due to the James Damore lawsuit against Google, which she represented him in. If Im remembering correctly, LFJ was involved in getting Damore fired while she was at Google. Dhillon may have some insight into your target.

Dhillon has represented Trump and wont be scared off by screeching harpies that try to harass her.

She will be expensive though.

What do you think of Dhillon @mindlessobserver ?

 

[Alabama Gamer]

The Kiwis go marching one by one
Hurrah, hurrah!
We taunt the trannies just for fun
Hurrah, hurrah!

The Kiwis go marching two by two
Hurrah, hurrah!
They'll know our wrath before we're through
Hurrah, hurrah!

The Kiwis go marching three by three
Hurrah, hurrah!
Dong-Gone will face his destiny
Hurrah, hurrah!

The Kiwis go marching four by four
Hurrah, hurrah!
It's now Total Retard War
Hurrah, hurrah!
Hurrah! Hurrah!

And we'll all post sneed when Joshie comes marching home.

 

[xn--mck1c]

It is sometimes related to that, but not always:

if you're going for

the Court stated that the "plaintiff's reputation in the community, if not the nation, is such that the effect of more people calling him either a murderer or a saint is de minimis.
(Lakin v. Rund)

It wouldn't work if more people writing such falsehoods via the campaign to service providers was what caused the termination, and thus by definition not de minimis.

Quotes from opinions or articles such as

If a person has no reputation to protect, then he or she may be considered “libel-proof.”

Often lack the context and careful wording of case law it's based on, such as in this example itself

For we consider as a matter of law that appellant is, for purposes of this case, libel-proof, i. e., so unlikely by virtue of his life as a habitual criminal to be able to recover anything other than nominal damages as to warrant dismissal of the case,
(Cardillo v. Doubleday & Co.)

You can easily claim you made a grammatical mistake or that you forgot they removed the content.

Up to the judge and jury if they want to believe them I guess, once again heavily based on how their emails were worded.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

You can easily claim you made a grammatical mistake or that you forgot they removed the content.

If you have a literal team spending hundreds to thousands of hours asserting something is currently true and nobody's checking to make sure it's still true you're getting really close to reckless disregard for the truth, especially when it seems that you're obsessively engaging with the site on a daily basis (which they have to be, because if they're not engaging with the site then they'd have no way of knowing what was going on here)

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

Just throwing my hat in the ring to say I’d also contribute some dosh towards a legal crowdfund

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

WoW

The understanding of the legal system is not very strong on the Farms I see.

This is no slam dunk case. If Jersh decides to pursue certain parties for certain issues he is by no means guaranteed a victory. And if he loses he could be open to some serious expenses if counter sued. And you know he will be counter sued the second the papers are served.

The judge will not give a shit about the contents of the Farms, he just cares about the facts surrounding the case. If Jersh goes for torturous interference he will have to prove that certain parties did indeed conspiracy illegally to destroy his business and show enough proof to convince the judge that it happened as he said.

This is no easy task. And the social pressure will be certain to hit max once certain parties call in favours and debts. The closer the case comes to conclusion the more the pressure will ramp up on Jersh and his team. This is no light matter as the forces behind certain parties may be far more then any of us expect. At the moment certain parties are the flavour du jour of the progressive moment and many currenty uninvolved parties may jump in at a chance to get in the grift and "strike a blow for justice".

Don't celebrate until the last appeal is exhausted, the last option closed. This will be a very long, very expensive and very risky gambit for Jersh.

Should he do it? Yes, if he and his legal team think the evidence is enough. The stakes are high enough to justify the risk IMHO but at the end it's Jersh that has to make the call because it's Jersh that will have to pay the piper if he loses.

I'll happly fork over money to aid but this will be no cake walk in the park folks.

 

[AnOminous]

Should he do it? Yes, if he and his legal team think the evidence is enough. The stakes are high enough to justify the risk IMHO but at the end it's Jersh that has to make the call because it's Jersh that will have to pay the piper if he loses.

He should also not take it for granted if some grifter claims it will be a cakewalk and all he needs is a giant pile of money up front.

 

[macrodegenerate]

He should also not take it for granted if some grifter claims it will be a cakewalk and all he needs is a giant pile of money up front.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

Calling it: Fong will pull a Lowtax and blow his brains out when he loses.

And troons will say Kiwifarms has claimed another victim.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

This is no slam dunk case. If Jersh decides to pursue certain parties for certain issues he is by no means guaranteed a victory. And if he loses he could be open to some serious expenses if counter sued. And you know he will be counter sued the second the papers are served.

We know. We're just happy some action is finally being taken against Dong-Gone. He's attacked us so many times, it feels good to see Jersh hit back.

 

[DavidS877]

I would love for the troons to bring up Byuu in court.

I'm curious, could they(Null) use discovery to get records from the Department of State or maybe the State of Ohio to prove that Byuu is either alive or dead?

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I'm curious, could they(Null) use discovery to get records from the Department of State or maybe the State of Ohio to prove that Byuu is either alive or dead?

oy-vey

The judge won't care if Byuu is dead or alive. The judge won't care if the Farms made people 41% themselves. The judge won't care about hate speech, harrasment or tranny's or furry's or lolcows.

The only facts he will want will relate to certain parties activities to shut down the web site and what proof Jersh can show.

Which is a good thing, the last thing we want is some Liberal Obama elect judge getting to decide what the Farms does is illegal. Keep the scope to the law broken and nothing else.

This is not a case to prove someone right or wrong, it's (hopefully) a case to show some certain parties undertook illegal means to take Null's business offline.

Thats it.

That's all the facts that will be argued by both parties. Not who said what, or who lied about who. Just what Nully can show happened to force the ISP to take his site of-line and who is responsible for said actions.

 

[christ5president2024]

 

[Pope Urban]

https://www.eff.org/pages/legal-assistance

Also this:

https://www.justia.com/lawyers/communications-internet-law/california

the EFF could POSSIBLY help the site, but I think the days where groups like the ACLU represent people Clarence Brandenburg are over.

 

[George Lucas]

I’m trying to understand what Null’s goal is here.

It’s not recovery of damages. Null could just ask for money on here.

I think there are two big things: DDOS and ISPs mucking with the site’s connectivity. Mr. Jones is known to be involved with both of these things. Will civil litigation really provide a solution to these problems? Mr. Jones may lose the case and have to pay Josh money, but that’s not going to stop him from pulling strings under the hood. DDOSing is already illegal, for good reason. Someone who DDOS’s deserves removal from the Internet entirely (perhaps not forever of course). They are dangerous to the Internet itself.

I understand why Josh may have a passion of vengeance, but I don’t really see how a win, which is not guaranteed, is really going to help the situation.

Time would be better served keeping the WA DA accountable about the Hurricane Electric situation.

That’s just my opinion. Maybe someone can clarify the situation for my smooth brain.

 

[DrNow]

I’m trying to understand what Null’s goal is here.

It’s not recovery of damages. Null could just ask for money on here.

I think there are two big things: DDOS and ISPs mucking with the site’s connectivity. Mr. Jones is known to be involved with both of these things. Will civil litigation really provide a solution to these problems? Mr. Jones may lose the case and have to pay Josh money, but that’s not going to stop him from pulling strings under the hood. DDOSing is already illegal, for good reason. Someone who DDOS’s deserves removal from the Internet entirely (perhaps not forever of course). They are dangerous to the Internet itself.

I understand why Josh may have a passion of vengeance, but I don’t really see how a win, which is not guaranteed, is really going to help the situation.

Time would be better served keeping the WA DA accountable about the Hurricane Electric situation.

That’s just my opinion. Maybe someone can clarify the situation for my smooth brain.

Didn' t that Vordrak guy go quiet when he came up against his first legal challenge? I suppose the difference is LFJ has tremendous institutional backing, he has already weaponized the press, big tech and social media against Kiwi Farms. We've been accused of being in conspiracy with Russia, a potential threat to national security, an Internet murder machine, a forum dedicated to carefully orchestrated stalking campaigns, supporters of spree killers, swatting enthusiasts...None of it is true, but we're dealing with people who have enough power to impose their own version of the truth. Remember when we were apparently keeping scoreboards for all the deaths we had caused or something? They seem to have dropped that narrative in favour of the less unhinged sounding 'stalking and harassment' angle.

Then there were the comments on the wapo article from people proposing in a not so subtle manner that the next stage of their censorship campaign should involve violence, and trans people should gather outside the houses of Kiwi Farms users.

I suppose you can accuse people of being cyber murder terrorists, harass them out of being able to use Uber and call for protests outside their house when you're on the right side of history. Like how you can orchestrate stalking and harassment campaigns, providing you do it on an acceptable platform like Discord or Reddit.

I don't think this is about vengeance, Cloudflare and all the other cowards who bent the knee over the last year are never going to apologise either. It's about removing authority from somebody who was never entitled to it to begin with, and will continue to abuse it in other areas beyond trying to shut down an Internet forum.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

One of the main things Null has going for him is that he looks and sounds like a normal individual while LFJ looks like a disgusting unhinged lunatic who does his cause no favors whatsoever by being the face of it.

You're talking about fighting the case in California, unfortunately if it lands in LA or SF then LFJ is a norm not the exception.

Should he do it? Yes, if he and his legal team think the evidence is enough. The stakes are high enough to justify the risk IMHO but at the end it's Jersh that has to make the call because it's Jersh that will have to pay the piper if he loses.

IMHO juice isn't worth the squeeze. I think Dong Gone will run from the US to Canada or the EU and claim asylum (or Taiwan) if he looses and it won't stop whoever is backing him.
This is like that anti-trust case where there was nothing in writing and it was a golf club's "gentleman's agreement" that a competitor overheard, I recall LFG called up the wife of Cloudflare's CEO for a "girl talk" before the banning, I highly doubt that there is evidence of this smoking gun still around, and I don't think the wife is going to testify much other than "I don't recall".

As always, there's the chance of colossial stupidity with all lolcows however.

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Yes, but...

... my concern is that someone could make a post that is in contempt of court. Would this not be illegal content?

How can anyone be in contempt of a court which they are not party to? Null is bringing civil litigation against Dong-Gone, his users are not plaintiffs. This is a ridiculous thing to even worry about. Calm down with these weird pseudo-legal theories about how the website needs to shut down until after the trial or else Dong-Gone will win, lol.

Good luck Null, you will need it. Though your cause be just and every man has his day in court, you are not fool enough to believe anything litigated before a judge is a sure thing. May you find the best big-dick lawyer sperg-money can buy and send that squareheaded freak an invoice that bankrupts his ass forever.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The real fun will be Hector Martin being forced to explain himself if Fong really did use his and Ginders gay op to deplatform us. He can blow off Twitter questions about why Japan didn't record any suicides at the time alleged. He can't ignore a court subpoena.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Dhillon has represented Trump and wont be scared off by screeching harpies that try to harass her. She will be expensive though. What do you think of Dhillon

I would say there is no chance she takes the case because it would damage her optics. She doesn't want to go on Fox News and be asked why she is defending the evil murder and stalking website.

You need to understand there is no chance of getting a political lawyer. The Farms' reputation has been so thoroughly debased nobody who is interested in attending cocktail parties and landing interviews on network TV will dare touch us.