Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[An Ghost]

Has anyone tried legitimately getting ahold of someone, recording the call, posing as a person in crisis, and seeing how they handle the situation? Looking over these training materials, they're organized terribly, in desperate need of an editor, and just outright confusing at times. I'm concerned that even if you reached someone, they'd have zero fucking idea how to help you.
For fucks sake, there's a section in here about the history of harm reduction. There is no way these people are competent.

Don't do this. Then we're harassing their hotline and taking calls away from people who need them.
These are real people picking up calls (even if it's only from time to time) don't get them involved.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Don't do this. Then we're harassing their hotline and taking calls away from people who need them.
These are real people picking up calls (even if it's only from time to time) don't get them involved.

I'm not recommending it be done, I'm asking if it's been done and if we have any idea if these people know what they're doing.
Edit:
If these people are as fucking useless as I suspect, they're not helping anyone.

 

[An Ghost]

I'm not recommending it be done, I'm asking if it's been done and if we have any idea if these people know what they're doing.
Edit:
If these people are as fucking useless as I suspect, they're not helping anyone.

The chat logs null posted seem to indicate people just want to talk to somebody for a bit. Even the comments about the caller who was FtM weren't patronizing or anything. There's no fives, meaning nobody was calling while hanging from the noose.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

The chat logs null posted seem to indicate people just want to talk to somebody for a bit. Even the comments about the caller who was FtM weren't patronizing or anything. There's no fives, meaning nobody was calling while hanging from the noose.

That's nothing to place stock in. Suicidal people almost always believe themselves to be 100% rational.
The caller who cried for awhile, then suddenly said "thank you, thank you, I have to go" and hung up is worrying, to say the least.

 

[repentance]

Has anyone tried legitimately getting ahold of someone, recording the call, posing as a person in crisis, and seeing how they handle the situation? Looking over these training materials, they're organized terribly, in desperate need of an editor, and just outright confusing at times. I'm concerned that even if you reached someone, they'd have zero fucking idea how to help you.
For fucks sake, there's a section in here about the history of harm reduction. There is no way these people have the training to be competent at dealing with someone in danger.

They have 4 hours training. The MINIMUM amount of training necessary for your hotline/crisis line to become an accredited part of the national suicide prevention network is 40 hours.

 

[Arkangel]

Those PowerPoint presentations have some of the worst formatting I've ever seen. They've got way too much text and the pictures clip OVER some of it. Tht shit wouldn't fly in any professional setting.

Nina and Greta are both men that have fully transitioned and are now legally married. Greta has had a boob job (and that nude picture is AFTER it), and now has an aftermarket stink ditch. Nina's finished hers as well in 2015.

Its scary to know that people like this can find each other.

 

[ObeseScreamingBlackMan]

That's a man, baby.

I couldn't decide between 'TRUE AND HONEST troon weirdo' or 'just wants greencard.'

But now the answer is clear.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

They have 4 hours training. The MINIMUM amount of training necessary for your hotline/crisis line to become an accredited part of the national suicide prevention network is 40 hours.

It can take you longer than that to get certified to drive a fucking forklift.
This is sorta my point. People who don't know what they're doing aren't "needed" by people in trouble, they're accessories to the problem. Without proper training, you can easily be the fuckup that pushes them over the edge.
These people are a danger to everyone around them.

 

[Ravenor]

Don't forget she actually showed up to threaten @Null in real life, and scared the shit out of his mom.

Wait, what the fuck when / where did that happen I havent got to that part yet. Also @Null is your mum OK?

Those PowerPoint presentations have some of the worst formatting I've ever seen. They've got way too much text and the pictures clip OVER some of it. Tht shit wouldn't fly in any professional setting.

Ever sit in a health and safety seminar? Or something given by a legal department? but yea that's power point hell.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Wait, what the fuck when / where did that happen I havent got to that part yet. Also @Null is your mum OK?


Ever sit in a health and safety seminar? Or something given by a legal department? but yea that's power point hell.

She's fine, Dear Leader was taking a shit when it happened, and she just showed up to start shit.
Frankly, I'd be more concerned for what kind of lunatic does that. Crazy bitch is gonna get shot doing that kinda stuff.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

She's fine, Dear Leader was taking a shit when it happened, and she just showed up to start shit.
Frankly, I'd be more concerned for what kind of lunatic does that. Crazy bitch is gonna get shot doing that kinda stuff.

Don't forget posting about guns and knives before staking out his house.

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

So page 5 already has issues.

Was it ever proven that they had people taking calls who was under 18? Being over 18 is a rule stated on page 5.

"Be on the line and take phone calls is all we ask" goes without saying why this isn't true.

I love that they use tumblr for reference guides.

This whole thing is just a joke.

Edit: page 6 states that they are partnered with the National suicide prevention lifeline. I thought Greta has stated otherwise and actually is agains trans people calling it because "how could a cis help?!"

I never tried to find Jaden Prendergast's "dead name" and was never able to find a record of his birth date under his transexual name. But given the information across other sources, it is very unlikely he was 18 when he was volunteering on the TLL hotline. Quick rehash of information on Jaden Prendergast, who is now an office admin with TLL:

--He dropped out of high school for the first time in October of 2014. He was still living with parents, in New Hampshire, I think.

--On December 10, 2014, he posted on the TLL Facebook that he was "an operator for the lifeline."

--In February of 2015, he dropped out of high school again, moved from New England to Los Angeles to live in a group home, and enrolled in Job Corps. It was the first time he had ever lived away from his family.

--He wants to get office administration training and to finish his high school diploma. He said he hoped to have his GED or diploma by 4/2016. Unsure if it worked out that way but according to his Google+, he "attended" Job Corps, implying he is no longer working with them.

When he enrolled in Job Corps, it seems like he had at least a year of high school left, though I am completely clueless as to how such things are managed by Job Corps. Do they cram two years of study into one, could they stretch six months out into a year? No idea.

If he was a senior, set to graduate in 2015, it doesn't seem likely that he would chuck it all and move across the country when he could get his diploma and then enroll in Job Corps for training. If his home life was bad he may have been desperate to get away but unless Jaden was left behind to repeat grades a couple of times in school, that's the only way I can see him being 18 and dropping out of high school in October of 2014 and still spending a year in Job Corps to finish his high school education. If he enrolled in Job Corps in February 2015, he could not have been younger than 16 - that's the minimum age for enrollment.

Here's the link to the data I found on him, created by him, so presumably accurate. If anyone has any idea how to find his birthdate, let me know and I'll give it a shot.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Those PowerPoint presentations have some of the worst formatting I've ever seen. They've got way too much text and the pictures clip OVER some of it. Tht shit wouldn't fly in any professional setting.

It's becoming pretty obvious that TLL is there to go through the motions of being a charity and support helpline rather than being of any fucking use whatsoever.

 

[on a serious note]

and none of this would have come to light had Greta not gone after null while he was on the toilet

 

[repentance]

The PP tells me that neither of them have even the most basic qualification in training. Here you don't technically need certification in training and assessment unless you want your training to be recognised, but no-one is going to take your training seriously unless your trainers hold at least a Cert IV in Training and Assessment. The US undoubtedly has an equivalent.

"Train the trainer" courses have been a standard thing in non-profits for over 20 years now, so they have no excuse for not ensuring they were actually competent to train others before accepting volunteers.

Slide 10 is worrying. In my experience, hotlines get a non-trivial amount of calls from people who are actively putting others at risk of immediate harm. Calls from people who have harmed their partner/child and are contemplating suicide because they don't want to go to jail are not uncommon and it is unconscionable to not organise immediate aid for the harmed person in that situation. The safety of your caller isn't always the only issue. Sometimes the safety of others is involved and fuck compromising that so your caller can maintain their "agency".

I wondered whether TLL even addressed that scenario with volunteers, and now I know. It's especially concerning as the rate of domestic violence in trans relationships is higher than in the general population.

 

[HickoryDickory]

Don't do this. Then we're harassing their hotline and taking calls away from people who need them.
These are real people picking up calls (even if it's only from time to time) don't get them involved.

They're already involved.

I'd like to hear their operators in action because what would be said can be very telling. It's already established that there are clear agendas, but it would be better for a third party to collect the info or a reputable place to do something like a call audit.

 

[drain]

They're already involved.

I'd like to hear their operators in action because what would be said can be very telling. It's already established that there are clear agendas, but it would be better for a third party to collect the info or a reputable place to do something like a call audit.

Yeah, I want to hear how their operators answer a call by an ftm, since Greta Apparently have preferences about what trans he wants to help.

 

[GZ 004]

You are all sick for making fun of this.

That poor hippopotamus clearly has a skin disease.

 

[drain]

You are all sick for making fun of this.

That poor hippopotamus clearly has a skin disease.

Now you're just being mean, hippos don't deserve to be compared with that!

 

[AnOminous]

Nina and Greta are both men that have fully transitioned and are now legally married. Greta has had a boob job (and that nude picture is AFTER it), and now has an aftermarket stink ditch. Nina's finished hers as well in 2015.

He should sue for a refund, then. Trans Lifeline could use that money back.