Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[Buck Bumble]

I don't know how he managed to do it, but Greta is actually uglier on the outside than the inside

That's quite something

It's kind of hilarious, when you think about it. This whole ordeal has reminded me of all of the other tumblrtroons who say things like "Stop donating to charity, and start donating to transgals. Here's my patreon" or "Give money to trans developers. Especially me".

Or is that a bit too dark when put in perspective?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

It's kind of hilarious, when you think about it. This whole ordeal has reminded me of all of the other tumblrtroons who say things like "Stop donating to charity, and start donating to transgals. Here's my patreon" or "Give money to trans developers. Especially me".

Or is that a bit too dark when put in perspective?

It stops being funny when the suicide hotline tells its operator not to contact the authorities when a minor wants to kill themselves over being raped at home

Especially since a huge portion of the tranny community were molested at some point in their childhood

And we see Greta preying on much younger people. Patreon shilling is nothing next to that

 

[HickoryDickory]

So if a 14 year old calls and says they are being routinely raped they are specifically telling their operators to not call the police?

lmao they might legit be worse than nick bate at this point

For someone in their position they would be obligated to report it. The person is underage and not in a position to really make those sort of life choices. I don't remember it for those that are in a mentor role (like teachers), but they cannot make promises to keep secrets if a kid goes to them about being abused or considering self-harm/suicide.

 

[repentance]

Starting out, a non-profit probably doesn't have the good numbers to really prove they will use foundation/agency money well. This is really where certifications come into play. A grant writer will have to massage outside research that a problem exists with the massage oil of proven methods to get those sweet foundation bucks. By refusing to follow accepted hotline practices, Greta and crew have pretty much cut themselves off from foundation seed money.

While this is true, in the world of conventional funding what often happens is that a pilot project is given seed money under the umbrella of an existing non-profit. The pilot period allows them to gather real data with minimal expenditure on overheads and that then becomes the basis for a grant application in their own right. It's part of the reason why forging alliances with existing organisations is important - they can not only provide you with resources until the money comes in but they can both mentor you and give you credibility.

There are also a lot of unconventional options open now and a lot of organisations thrive without having to go the conventional funding route. You can often get more money and resources, and much faster, going the unconventional route and it's great for things which "don't quite fit" into neat categories. It also allows you to step outside the constraints of government and other institutional funding.

At the end of the day, Greta has no idea what she is doing and doesn't care to learn. She will blame everyone and everything but herself for the failure of TLL.

For someone in their position they would be obligated to report it. The person is underage and not in a position to really make those sort of life choices. I don't remember it for those that are in a mentor role (like teachers), but they cannot make promises to keep secrets if a kid goes to them about being abused or considering self-harm/suicide.

They're not mandatory reporters. Many "crisis" organisations follow mandatory reporting guidelines even if they're not legally required to do so, but any organisation which follows them voluntarily or is legally required to follow them will also do police and working with children checks on all staff and volunteers.

 

[Buck Bumble]

It stops being funny when the suicide hotline tells its operator not to contact the authorities when a minor wants to kill themselves over being raped at home

Especially since a huge portion of the tranny community were molested at some point in their childhood

And we see Greta preying on much younger people. Patreon shilling is nothing next to that

Please note: I wasn't saying that their treatment of people who legitimately need help was funny. More how they've handled the charity and the money.

"Put it on the TLL account" is probably something they'll never live down, despite the fact that it's how most of them would like to live.

EDIT: "Them" being transtrenders and sorts who prey upon these problems/people trying to give sympathy.

 

[talk talk talk]

While this is true, in the world of conventional funding what often happens is that a pilot project is given seed money under the umbrella of an existing non-profit. The pilot period allows them to gather real data with minimal expenditure on overheads and that then becomes the basis for a grant application in their own right. It's part of the reason why forging alliances with existing organisations is important - they can not only provide you with resources until the money comes in but they can both mentor you and give you credibility.

There are also a lot of unconventional options open now and a lot of organisations thrive without having to go the conventional funding route. You can often get more money and resources, and much faster, going the unconventional route and it's great for things which "don't quite fit" into neat categories. It also allows you to step outside the constraints of government and other institutional funding.

At the end of the day, Greta has no idea what she is doing and doesn't care to learn. She will blame everyone and everything but herself for the failure of TLL.

The "forging alliances" thing is especially important. The non-profit world is incredibly gossipy. Organizations and individuals get reputations quickly and they are hard to shake. Good luck getting an accountant who knows non-profit reporting when it becomes known your ED decided to spend NP funds to hassle some guy on the internet.

Unconventional financing can certainly work, but where is there any sign that Greta and crew are doing anything unconventional?

 

[repentance]

Unconventional financing can certainly work, but where is there any sign that Greta and crew are doing anything unconventional?

Apart from e-begging, no. They're definitely not doing any of the creative stuff which "new charity" has become so good at that they often don't need a single dollar of government or institutional money.

They're only "unconventional" in the sense that they're not playing by the rules you need to play by to get conventional funding.

 

[AnOminous]

They're not mandatory reporters.

They're not automatically mandatory reporters, but a lot of people who fall into this class actually are. What kind of people even volunteer to do this shit? A lot of them actually are mandatory reporters.

Those kind of people should really be thinking about their legal status at this point.

What are "mandatory reporters" some people might be thinking? They might have an answer in this article here on Wikipedia.

TLL apparently has the opinion that they don't have to report anything.

The law disagrees with this.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

This thread has turned from a fat, old, claw-handed man that likes to pretend he's a woman and showing up at Null's house while he's on the shitter to incredibly depressing and flat out dangerous.

How is it even legal to not inform authorities when you are being told that there is rape/abuse/suicide going on or about to happen? Where I'm from that's actually a criminal offense that can land you in jail.

Holy fucking shit. Someone slap me please.

Civilians are under no obligation to call 911 even if it's objectively in an individual's best interest. There are a few exceptions depending on the caller's job and relationship to the individual. But I as a person do not have to call the police if some stranger on a corner threatens to blow his brains out. Just because inaction is dangerously irresponsible doesn't mean it's illegal.

I would definitely say an alleged suicide hotline is a bit if a grey area but as far as I know TLL does not legally have to call 911. If there are any official standards saying crisis hotlines have to do so it's a moot point because TLL is not an official suicide prevention entity.

 

[HickoryDickory]

They're not mandatory reporters. Many "crisis" organisations follow mandatory reporting guidelines even if they're not legally required to do so, but any organisation which follows them voluntarily or is legally required to follow them will also do police and working with children checks on all staff and volunteers.

Which is why I mentioned mentors/teachers. Most of my experience was with face-to-face interactions, peer support/counseling and training. Not phone lines. I know they have different ways of doing things, but I feel it's quite different when you deal with a kid vs. an adult.

 

[Luminous Being]

Civilians are under no obligation to call 911 even if it's objectively in an individual's best interest. There are a few exceptions depending on the caller's job and relationship to the individual. But I as a person do not have to call the police if some stranger on a corner threatens to blow his brains out. Just because inaction is dangerously irresponsible doesn't mean it's illegal.

I would definitely say an alleged suicide hotline is a bit if a grey area but as far as I know TLL does not legally have to call 911. If there are any official standards saying crisis hotlines have to do so it's a moot point because TLL is not an official suicide prevention entity.

Fuck that shit.

Call me a carebear, but if you know or are reasonably certain that abuse/rape/mental instability with suicidal thoughts is a thing that's going on for someone and you have the means to help that person in any way, even if it's "just" by calling the police to prevent any furhter harm to them, you should be required to do so. Especially if a minor is involved. And also especially when you volunteer for an organization that call itself "something lifeline".

Fuck the fact that something is not an official suicide prevention hotline on paper, who gives a dry fart about that?! That's just a compartmentalized way of trying to avoid any blame when shit goes tits up. If you're a god damn secretary for the neighbourhood plumbers and gardening shop and some kid from around the block you kinda know calls crying and tells you that he's getting raped at home by dad when he's had one too many sips of liquid bread you damn well would call the cops or child protective services to make sure, wouldn't you? And yet here we are, looking at an org that proclaims to save lives but doesn't allow its volunteers to dial 911 if the same thing happened during one of the rare calls they take.

Fuck Trans Lifeline with rusty shovels.

 

[AnOminous]

Fuck Trans Lifeline with rusty shovels.

There are actual laws about this.

A lot of professions in the United States require that you report child abuse and if you do not, you are literally committing a crime.

The TLL policies of not reporting would make criminals of anyone who follows their insane policies and fails to report child sexual abuse. And anyone working in professions that require such reporting are literally committing a crime if they follow TLL's policies and do not report such abuse.

What professions are these? Let's look at some.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/manda/

• Social workers
• ƒ Teachers, principals, and other school personnel
• ƒ Physicians, nurses, and other health-care workers
• ƒ Counselors, therapists, and other mental health
• professionals
• ƒ Child care providers
• ƒ Medical examiners or coroners
• ƒ Law enforcement officers

Do you troons think you can just fuck around with categories like this and get away with it?

Keep this shit up with your scams. Go ahead. Do it. You are not going to win this.

 

[repentance]

Which is why I mentioned mentors/teachers. Most of my experience was with face-to-face interactions, peer support/counseling and training. Not phone lines. I know they have different ways of doing things, but I feel it's quite different when you deal with a kid vs. an adult.

It doesn't arise much with legitimate services because they voluntarily adopt policies which are similar to the requirements for mandatory reporting, and they subject themselves to accreditation procedures.

Mandatory reporting is often useless in a crisis situation because it's not set up for immediate rescue. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, but what it's (hopefully) going to do is ensure follow up after the child at risk has been removed from the situation by emergency services following your 911 call.

These are all things which should be considered well in advance of setting up an organisation and written policies should be created published for comment before being adopted. What's happened here is that Greta has decided on all these things with fuck all consultation with either experts or the community she hopes to serve. She deserves to have it blow up in her face, but neither volunteers nor callers deserve to be victims of her megalomania.

Per the earlier Wiki link, in 18 US states reporting suspected child abuse is mandatory regardless of profession. That is certainly something of which volunteers should be made aware.

 

[Luminous Being]

There are actual laws about this.

A lot of professions in the United States require that you report child abuse and if you do not, you are literally committing a crime.

The TLL policies of not reporting would make criminals of anyone who follows their insane policies and fails to report child sexual abuse. And anyone working in professions that require such reporting are literally committing a crime if they follow TLL's policies and do not report such abuse.

Good! Hope they get taken to the floor, hard.

I was seriously getting angry that there seemed to be no regulations governing shit like this. I know the US is very state-by-state, but stuff like this needs to be mandated on a federal level and to hell with all the "muh liberties" cries.

I'm all for deciding when and how you want to die, but not if it's a child/teenagers with angst or the person has mental problems that impair their judgement in any way. TLL are gambling with people's lives, what with the shitty "training", hand-off policies and having only nutcases on their on-call-staff (if there are even any online or reachable).

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Good! Hope they get taken to the floor, hard.

I was seriously getting angry that there seemed to be no regulations governing shit like this. I know the US is very state-by-state, but stuff like this needs to be mandated on a federal level and to hell with all the "muh liberties" cries.

I'm all for deciding when and how you want to die, but not if it's a child/teenagers with angst or the person has mental problems that impair their judgement in any way. TLL are gambling with people's lives, what with the shitty "training", hand-off policies and having only nutcases on their on-call-staff (if there are even any online or reachable).

As was pointed out there are numerous professions where you are still obligated to call someone. Example, I'm an EMT, so I'm a mandatory reporter.

I think you need to chill out a bit though. TLL should be obligated to report but raging about how random shmucks aren't is moot because the vast majority of people will call 911 if the need arises.

 

[GS 281]

Good! Hope they get taken to the floor, hard.

I was seriously getting angry that there seemed to be no regulations governing shit like this. I know the US is very state-by-state, but stuff like this needs to be mandated on a federal level and to hell with all the "muh liberties" cries.

I'm all for deciding when and how you want to die, but not if it's a child/teenagers with angst or the person has mental problems that impair their judgement in any way. TLL are gambling with people's lives, what with the shitty "training", hand-off policies and having only nutcases on their on-call-staff (if there are even any online or reachable).

The problem I have is that it is suicide prevention. Their mission however is to affirm the agency of the individual. If someone is feeling like killing themselves, however they call a suicide prevention service, then the service should seek to prevent it

 

[repentance]

I'm all for deciding when and how you want to die, but not if it's a child/teenagers with angst or the person has mental problems that impair their judgement in any way. TLL are gambling with people's lives, what with the shitty "training", hand-off policies and having only nutcases on their on-call-staff (if there are even any online or reachable).

It's definitely taken a turn from lolwut to holy fuck as we've dug deeper. Their ineptitude more dangerous than it is funny now.

 

[Luminous Being]

As was pointed out there are numerous professions where you are still obligated to call someone. Example, I'm an EMT, so I'm a mandatory reporter.

I think you need to chill out a bit though. TLL should be obligated to report but raging about how random shmucks aren't is moot because the vast majority of people will call 911 if the need arises.

Yeah I'm having a cup of tea right now. I was just rapidly catching up with the thread and it just really shoved at me for some reason.

They should still get fucked with rusty shovels though.

 

[randomfarmer]

Their ineptitude more dangerous than it is funny now.

The impact they could be having on confused and vulnerable children is horrifying and they should not be allowed to exist with the kind of poor decisions and appalling habits they have put on display to date.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

The impact they could be having on confused and vulnerable children is horrifying and they should not be allowed to exist with the kind of poor decisions and appalling habits they have put on display to date.

Made worse by the fact if you're someone who actually hears about them and thinks they're a valid resource then you're implicitly surrounded by toxic self-absorbed transtenders