Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[JU 199]

Suicide prevention money better not have gone to the surgical moob enhancements.

That better not have happened.

 

[randomfarmer]

Calling Trans Life Line would be like drowning and the life guard throwing you an anchor.

 

[Hanamura]

If I were Leelah Alcorn's family I'd be sorely tempted to pursue a civil negligence claim against these people, or at least investigate it.

I don't think Leelah's parents want part in any tranny tomfoolery after all they did to repress Leelah's transsexuality and the backlash they got from the public after her suicide pretty much drove them into hiding.

 

[AnimuGinger]

As was pointed out there are numerous professions where you are still obligated to call someone. Example, I'm an EMT, so I'm a mandatory reporter.

I think you need to chill out a bit though. TLL should be obligated to report but raging about how random shmucks aren't is moot because the vast majority of people will call 911 if the need arises.

Imagine if they have a volunteer in one of the states where everyone is a mandates reporter. That would be a glorious clusterfuck.

 

[drain]

It's definitely taken a turn from lolwut to holy fuck as we've dug deeper. Their ineptitude more dangerous than it is funny now.

Yeah... The fact that he is a freakshow himself doesn't even matter anymore, because his fraudulent business is so so much worse!

 

[Jaimas]

Trannies! With knives!

We're doomed.

The greatest 1-2 punch since Depression and razor blades!

 

[AnOminous]

Good! Hope they get taken to the floor, hard.

Just because shit is against the law doesn't mean anything will happen.

We're living in a world here. It's a real world.

And in the real world, shit doesn't happen.

 

[The Giver]

Just because shit is against the law doesn't mean anything will happen.

We're living in a world here. It's a real world.

And in the real world, shit doesn't happen.

This.

I'd imagine they are simply too small and obscure to have anyone really paying very close attention. It also is just generally not great PR to go after an organization that, in theory at least, exists to help suicidal members of a (recently highly publicized) marginalized group. Basically, unless something goes publicly, horribly wrong, I think the only attention something like this is gonna get is fluff "social justice" stories on NPR.

 

[AnOminous]

This.

I'd imagine they are simply too small and obscure to have anyone really paying very close attention. It also is just generally not great PR to go after an organization that, in theory at least, exists to help suicidal members of a (recently highly publicized) marginalized group. Basically, unless something goes publicly, horribly wrong, I think the only attention something like this is gonna get is fluff "social justice" stories on NPR.

Or if the IRS gets a whiff of it.

And let's just say. . .they might.

 

[GS 281]

They pull in $80-100k topline, that's small, but not too small for the gov't to just disregard. If there was a concise report that outlined a potential layup against a non-profit of that size the gov't would pick it up.

 

[ASU]

I've kept silent about this, but since people are getting emotional I'd like to inject some cold reality into this thread.

I've worked with suicidal people quite frequently as a counselor irl and the unfortunate truth is that quite a lot of the ones with persistent suicidal ideations simply are never "helped".

Take a kid with a personality disorder, any personality disorder. We can't medicate those symptoms away very well, we can only offer therapy, and unless the kid has money it is unlikely to be specialized therapy. If they have borderline pd, that's even worse because some mental health professionals refuse to treat BPD patients, or limit the number they see.

So you have a kid, let's say 18 year old mtf trans, with BPD. They have no family, few friends, on and off the streets, etc. They are too antisocial to hold a job. They decide to kill themselves, but they don't really want to, they'd rather be saved.

They mention their suicidal ideation to a counselor. If they won't "contract for safety" (sign a form saying they won't hurt themselves or others), they get in-patiented on a mental ward until they calm down, at which point they are released. Paranoid patients learn after the first time and will often lie on the contract after that. If they contract for safety, the counselor gives them the number to a crisis hotline, and back on to the streets they go.

If they call the crisis hotline, the hotline ultimately can only call police/paramedics or recommend the kid call a doctor, they can't sit on the phone and chat beyond trying to talk them out of a crisis. If the kid sees a doctor they might throw some antidepressants or antipsychotics at them but if those don't help, the doctor will suggest the kid seek long-term help from their family... But they don't have a family because they were disowned for being BPD, trans, or both.

So they end up in an emotional grinder of counselor -> hotline -> doctor -> mental ward, which repeats until they get better (rare because homeless + crisis + no family compounds the emotional trauma), finally get real help in the form of someone taking them in (which almost never lasts), or they die.

So there's basically two types of suicidal people: those who are suicidal only for brief moments of crisis (who are the people the system works for and was designed for) and long term nutty unstable people like Chloe Sagal who have been through the system a dozen times yet their underlying crisis never really stops.

I'm not defending TLL. However, the system is fundamentally broken for some people, and until it is, troons and other long term unstable people are going to avoid being inserted into a mental ward as often as they can. TLL represents a compromise aimed at those troons.

It's just that its a shitty, mismanaged, inefficient and nearly worthless sort of "charity", on top of filling a sort of "grey market suicide counseling" role that is going to be interpreted negatively by pretty much everyone who still trusts, or has had good experiences with, the professional mental health system.

 

[Null]

The TL;DR of post above is that some people are broken attention-whores who chronically make imminent threats of self-harm and TLL is designed for them.

 

[GS 281]

The TL;DR of post above is that some people are broken attention-whores who chronically make imminent threats of self-harm and TLL is designed for them.

I meanif they wanna circle jerk about their weird machinations wouldn't it be cheaper to create a jackin' chat account?

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/welco...turbation-and-masturbation-enthusiasts.16589/

 

[PostRegretStressDisorder]

The TL;DR of post above is that some people are broken attention-whores who chronically make imminent threats of self-harm and TLL is designed for them.

If only they'd truly off themselves. Survival of the fittest, yo.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

They pull in $80-100k topline, that's small, but not too small for the gov't to just disregard. If there was a concise report that outlined a potential layup against a non-profit of that size the gov't would pick it up.

Well, Nick Nyberg is on the hook for state and federal taxes isn't he?
That gives a little glimmer of hope that the crazy tranny with a knife will have his finances examined.

 

[Rou]

Well, Nick Nyberg is on the hook for state and federal taxes isn't he?
That gives a little glimmer of hope that the crazy tranny with a knife will have his finances examined.

On the other hand, the only reason Nick isn't in jail is because he keeps making payments on his debt. If they get audited and the IRS smells blood, it's likely they'll have the same arrangement.

 

[Florence]

Would it be possible to make transcripts of these calls?

 

[Without A Gout]

Would it be possible to make transcripts of these calls?

Here's how the strong majority of them would turn out:

 

[GS 281]

Greta being a jerk to Ross Mathews. Whats this @bluemontana guy talking about?

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Greta being a jerk to Ross Mathews. Whats this @bluemontana guy talking about?

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"Ross Matthews still thoroughly confused as to how his innocuous LG phone endorsement turned into major controversy".