Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Lt. Jim Dangle]

Man, as a former Sargonite it's so sad to see where he's fallen to.

He used to make principled arguments based on actual philosophical/ethical ideals, even if they sounded goofy at times or came across as cringe. Now he's just entered conservative hyper-contrarianism. He hates Brutalist architecture, yet complains about the elite and managerial class (who are the people who have to live and work in these low-maintenance buildings and would complain even more if they were given nice Baroque offices), he's intellectual yet has a surface-level understanding of geopolitics and seems to refuse to actually understand it, and his take on Mexican food being bad because they actually flavor their shit is deranged.

He went from an actual guiding light to me as a teenager and a young adult to just another cringelord who just says contrarian nonsense to "own the libs."

I still have some respect for him, but god damn it's wild how off-the-rails he's gotten in the last 5 years. He used to read a lot of books and actually discuss ethics and has gone to just saying shit for the sake of saying shit.

 

[Stan]

Man, as a former Sargonite it's so sad to see where he's fallen to.

He used to make principled arguments based on actual philosophical/ethical ideals, even if they sounded goofy at times or came across as cringe. Now he's just entered conservative hyper-contrarianism. He hates Brutalist architecture, yet complains about the elite and managerial class (who are the people who have to live and work in these low-maintenance buildings and would complain even more if they were given nice Baroque offices), he's intellectual yet has a surface-level understanding of geopolitics and seems to refuse to actually understand it, and his take on Mexican food being bad because they actually flavor their shit is deranged.

He went from an actual guiding light to me as a teenager and a young adult to just another cringelord who just says contrarian nonsense to "own the libs."

I still have some respect for him, but god damn it's wild how off-the-rails he's gotten in the last 5 years. He used to read a lot of books and actually discuss ethics and has gone to just saying shit for the sake of saying shit.

I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but he's always been this vituperative and stupid. The only difference is that you've exceeded his maximum age limit. He was always just saying incendiary shit for attention and Patreon funding, never believed any of it. His whole understanding of the humanities comes from playing too much Rome: Total War. He has the intellectual depth of a movie set: looks great to the credulous observer, but view it from an angle and you realize it's all Styrofoam and silk flowers.

 

["Not" Count Dankula]

Bit of a tangent, but does anyone watch any of the wider Lotus Eaters content? I'm partial to the Brokenomics series, honestly. Don't particularly like Sargon himself, but a few of the people he's surrounded himself with are pretty interesting

 

[GettrGriftr]

Bit of a tangent, but does anyone watch any of the wider Lotus Eaters content? I'm partial to the Brokenomics series, honestly. Don't particularly like Sargon himself, but a few of the people he's surrounded himself with are pretty interesting

I like the segments with Callum and Harry. They have some genuine chemistry together and are entertaining, even if the subject matter is always black pills all the way down.

I can't watch the ones with the Greek. He may be smart and educated and whatnot, but he's a Greek trying to speak English, and I can't stand it.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Man, as a former Sargonite it's so sad to see where he's fallen to.

No one has EVER called themselves a "sargonite" seriously. The first person who did was probably Vee and he ate Sargon's miscarried fetus.

He used to make principled arguments based on actual philosophical/ethical ideals

Was saying "the white race doesn't exist because Italians kind of have dark skin" one of these so-called "principled arguments based on actual philosophical/ethical ideals?"

his take on Mexican food being bad because they actually flavor their shit is deranged.

Mexican food is actually goyslop MSG poison DOE. English food was, at one point, considered world class cuisine. It's a funny meme to hysterically babble against English food for no reason, but you probably eat bacon and eggs every single day of your whole entire life, an English dish. (bacon and eggs was invented by Edward Bernays, a Jew from Austria who emigrated to America)

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Mexican food is actually goyslop MSG poison DOE. English food was, at one point, considered world class cuisine. It's a funny meme to hysterically babble against English food for no reason, but you probably eat bacon and eggs every single day of your whole entire life, an English dish.

1) Taco Bell and any burrito fast food place is not real Mexican food. That's like saying Domino's Pizza or any pizzs place is real Italian food or Chinese buffets are real Chinese food. Your average Italian/Chinese will beat the shit out of you for saying that and they will be in the right; that's just a hyper Americanized twist on a traditional food from somewhere else. Same thing with "Mexican" food.

2) English food has always been uniquely shit. No one even argues that front. Fucks sake, the niggers actually made fish head pie, which is very unappetizing on many fronts. While other countries may have thay weird dish or that one dish that doesn't look or taste that great, English people are uniquely cursed by God to have such a garbage culinary culture and that is a meme that bears out in real life.

3) Bacon and eggs are such a basic dish that any place with pigs and chickens probably made it. It's not English at all. It's like saying bread is English despite it being made everywhere.


Staying on topic, I'm not surprised this is the end result of Sargon's grifting. He was going to reach here sooner than later. And of course, being British means he has no conception of what good food actually tastes like. I can get saying Hispanic food is a bit spicy and why you would not like it that much, but I have never heard it was BAD because it was a bit spicy. Only an uncultured Anglo would actually say something that stupid.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Bit of a tangent, but does anyone watch any of the wider Lotus Eaters content? I'm partial to the Brokenomics series, honestly. Don't particularly like Sargon himself, but a few of the people he's surrounded himself with are pretty interesting

I've listen to a few of them on occasion. They are not bad if you want something other than music to listen to.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

1) Taco Bell and any burrito fast food place is not real Mexican food. That's like saying Domino's Pizza or any pizzs place is real Italian food or Chinese buffets are real Chinese food. Your average Italian/Chinese will beat the shit out of you for saying that and they will be in the right; that's just a hyper Americanized twist on a traditional food from somewhere else. Same thing with "Mexican" food.

You'd say the same thing about any other cuisine. I took a philosophy class in high school and this is called "the no true scotsman fallacy." It's necessary to point to so-called "actual" Mexican food to clarify what you mean. But to an extent you are right. America is such a deliberately evil and corrupting force that it can only destroy everything it touches. It's necessary to drive a bullet into the head of rotten American filth.

2) English food has always been uniquely shit. No one even argues that front. Fucks sake, the niggers actually made fish head pie, which is very unappetizing on many fronts. While other countries may have thay weird dish or that one dish that doesn't look or taste that great, English people are uniquely cursed by God to have such a garbage culinary culture and that is a meme that bears out in real life.

Carl Benjamin, who is an authority on this, has argued on that front actually. Spice slowly murders your taste buds. If you eat too many spices you will literally be unable to taste anything at all. Spices are a culinary disability. That's why it's zogchow; they medicate you so you don't notice the declining quality of food. The spices are meant to distract and trick you. How can you savour and appreciate a meal when you can't distinguish one flavour from another? For an uncorrupted good English dish, try sausages (bangers), mashed potatoes, peas and gravy. English meals separate the flavours so you can distinguish and savour each one. Potatoes, gravy and some meat are genuinely pleasurable to eat. I don't need to nuke my plate with acidically flesh-eating "spices" to mask the disgusting taste of poor quality ingredients used in Mexican food.

3) Bacon and eggs are such a basic dish that any place with pigs and chickens probably made it. It's not English at all. It's like saying bread is English despite it being made everywhere.

In the same way, putting slop on a tortilla is such a basic dish that subhuman animal-like monkey people who live in Mexico have been able to do it.

 

[TTIAC9]

based. all amercians are nigger loving scum and should be exterminated like pests

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

You'd say the same thing about any other cuisine. I took a philosophy class in high school and this is called "the no true scotsman fallacy." It's necessary to point to so-called "actual" Mexican food to clarify what you mean. But to an extent you are right. America is such a deliberately evil and corrupting force that it can only destroy everything it touches. It's necessary to drive a bullet into the head of rotten American filth.

It's actually not Mexican food. It's derived from Mexican food sure, but it's American fast food,ergo not Mexican. Fast food is meant to imitate a type of cuisine so that it can be prepared quickly but not to faithfully emulate it. I don't know why a Bongistani like you is trying to conflate the American imitation with the real thing. If you took a philosophy class (which I doubt since a no true scotsman argument is something you can find on Wikipedia), you would understand that there are definite differences between a derived thing and the original since that's Plato's schtick with his Theory of the Forms.

Carl Benjamin, who is an authority on this, has argued on that front actually.

Anyone with working tastebuds is an authority on this. I don't take a high-school dropout who couldn't even finish a video game seriously regarding anything other than why he is a failure at life.

Spice slowly murders your taste buds. If you eat too many spices you will literally be unable to taste anything at all. Spices are a culinary disability. That's why it's zogchow; they medicate you so you don't notice the declining quality of food. The spices are meant to distract and trick you.

What the fuck? That's why people across various cultures across time use spices in their food all the time? If you actually believe this, you are either mentally ill or retarded. Unless you are putting some ghostpepper bullshit into your recipes, spices only make your food taste good. In fact, the more spices you eat, the more you can taste and the better your sense of taste gets.

How can you savour and appreciate a meal when you can't distinguish one flavour from another?

By not being retarded.

For an uncorrupted good English dish, try sausages (bangers), mashed potatoes, peas and gravy.

Blandest fucking meal you could ever mention. Who hasn't tasted that before and who can remember that meal past satiating them? Holy shit, if English people are actually like this, they deserve to be erased from face of the Earth.

English meals separate the flavours so you can distinguish and savour each one. Potatoes, gravy and some meat are genuinely pleasurable to eat. I don't need to nuke my plate with acidically flesh-eating "spices" to mask the disgusting taste of poor quality ingredients used in Mexican food.

Cope and seethe. English food is among the worst in Europe. Even other Anglos concede that fact. It really is just borderline inedible and the cuisines of other European nations, like those of France, Spain and Eastern Europe (let alone Italy) have a natural vibrancy to them due to their people knowing how to cook well instead of being too drunk to actually make food that humans can eat, No wonder chavs and other Bongistani nightmares exist in your country. They are a reflection of the lack of soul the nation of England has which is evident in the lack of flavor in their food.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Man, as a former Sargonite it's so sad to see where he's fallen to.

He used to make principled arguments based on actual philosophical/ethical ideals, even if they sounded goofy at times or came across as cringe. Now he's just entered conservative hyper-contrarianism. He hates Brutalist architecture, yet complains about the elite and managerial class (who are the people who have to live and work in these low-maintenance buildings and would complain even more if they were given nice Baroque offices), he's intellectual yet has a surface-level understanding of geopolitics and seems to refuse to actually understand it, and his take on Mexican food being bad because they actually flavor their shit is deranged.

He went from an actual guiding light to me as a teenager and a young adult to just another cringelord who just says contrarian nonsense to "own the libs."

I still have some respect for him, but god damn it's wild how off-the-rails he's gotten in the last 5 years. He used to read a lot of books and actually discuss ethics and has gone to just saying shit for the sake of saying shit.

Honestly man I dunno I think if anything the lotus eaters gets tiring as a program. As for him he's not a Steven Crowder let's own the libs guise. He is a genuine racist liberal. Sargoy can't bring himself to destroy his liberal beliefs even though he himself considers himself a native Englishman.

@Geddy Lee's Fee and See @Samson Pumpkin Jr. You're both fucking retarded. British and Mexican food are nowhere as good as Italian food. Even when our food has war crimes committed by Americans they respect the food more so then other countries. Try ordering pizza in Brazil or Japan it's almost like they never had a proper cheese pizza with marinara sauce.
Second British cuisine was destroyed by WW2, while we can make jokes about their cuisine most of the cuisine we remember being horrible was a result of food rationing not ending until the 1950s. Russia cuisine has only now begun to make steps to repair it's cuisine reputation. That being said Mexican food is about making cacti, potatoes, chillis, agave, and cheap cuts of meat into a meal.

That being said I would trust a British man to make my beef Wellington or a fish and chips. I wouldn't trust him to make Guacamole or tacos. Cultures make the food they're good at making.

 

[Stan]

but you probably eat bacon and eggs every single day of your whole entire life, an English dish.

Maybe you do. I don't eat pork very often.

 

[Can't Stand Ya]

I like the segments with Callum and Harry. They have some genuine chemistry together and are entertaining, even if the subject matter is always black pills all the way down.

I can't watch the ones with the Greek. He may be smart and educated and whatnot, but he's a Greek trying to speak English, and I can't stand it.

Same here. Harry is pretty based, and I like Callum, Connor and Josh well enough. I can't listen to Stelios though. He's an intelligent guy, but something gets lost in the translation. Plus, it's a bit awkward to watch when they're railing against immigration while an immigrant is sitting right there.

 

[Sneeter Rabbit]

Outside of him being from Iran, why do people hate Academic Agent?

just heard him give a speech. he's a pseud with an undergraduate grasp of history. im no phd but i know enough to know when a cunt is overstepping the bounds of his wisdom.

 

[The Fuck's Going On Here]

just heard him give a speech. he's a pseud with an undergraduate grasp of history. im no phd but i know enough to know when a cunt is overstepping the bounds of his wisdom.

Oh? What was he talking about, and what retardation did he spout?

 

[DoubleD]

I've disagreed with his takes from time to time, and for the most part respected them. This, however, is the first I recall that seems downright out of character for Carl.

I don't even begrudge him for saying it, if this is genuinely what he thinks. Holding his tongue to avoid pissing off his base would be worse. But this kind of noble savage mythmaking would appear to contradict so much else of what he's said.

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And I'm sure he's said a bunch of other stuff that contradicts this. But just off the top of my head, it's hard to believe this comes from the same man who made The British Crusade Against Slavery (which I know was 8 years ago, but it exemplifies so much of what he stands for, it's practically his magnum opus).

The only way it's possible to reconcile this video with the above paragraph is to assume that the reason African tribes exported slaves and the British empire spent her money and resources (and sometimes the lives of brave men) in service of ending the slave trade was nothing to do with the latter civilisation's technological progress and the former civilisation's lack of it.

Were the British just naturally blessed with greater moral character than the Africans, in spite of how technological progress deprived them of innocence and the richness of a pre-industrial spiritual life? (I worry that Carl might start unironically retweeting 'the industrial revolution and its consequences' memes.) Or were the evils of slavery balanced out by the heroic things that niggers definitely did before European contact?

Spoiler: Selected replies

When I first started reading the original tweet, I expected Carl's argument to be something along the lines of 'The beliefs of primitive people are stable over many generations and have therefore stood the test of time' (which doesn't mean they're necessarily better than ours, but it at least explains why they can be better). This would have made a lot more sense, and he wouldn't have needed half as many words to say it.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

I feel like I need an ELI5 for the noble savage post.

I've started watching Lotus Eaters clips over the last year but am generally not familiar with his Sargon of Akkad era takes.

Reading Carl's wall of text, I personally don't see much that jumps out at me as being "out of character", though I don't know him well.

 

[mofu mofo]

out of character for Carl

It's long, pompous and rambling, that's entirely on brand for Carlgon as well as the lack of internal consistency over a long enough time period. You're correct that it's off-brand in a superficial sense as he's also the person who created the I Can't Believe It's Not Racebaiting All Cultures Are Beautiful series.

What you need to keep in mind about Carlgon is that most of his intellectualism has been him regurgitating a book he's read, often the last one he read. The Lunar/Solar schtick is just Evola. This is a man who read a book on a plane and instantaneously became an authority on Islamic theology:

He's lost none of his pomposity, that bodes well for this thread's pagecount.

I can see this going about as well as him debating Trickie Dickie or Richard Carrier; he's always had most success when hiding behind the rhetorical tricks of being le epic troll and by being a moving target in saying whatever he thought would own da libs at that moment in time. If he actually abandons those tactics he's nailing himself down and exposing his inability to form (or at least regurgitate) and maintain a coherent and complete political philosophy. This is a man who read a book on a long haul flight in 2017 and emerged at his destination repping Da'esh, only a couple of weeks after the London Bridge attack:
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Full vid.

I wonder how long it'll take before he forgets this plan and starts pretending he's a leftie again.

 

[The Fuck's Going On Here]

You're correct that it's off-brand in a superficial sense as he's also the person who created the I Can't Believe It's Not Racebaiting All Cultures Are Beautiful series.

He'd probably say that is because back then, he was a classical liberal and thus didn't consider things like spirituality or whatever retarded bullshit NRx-ers seem to believe.
Hell, here's the vid of him talking with Rubin released a few days back on him being wrong about liberalism:

Honestly, what's funny to me is the points Carl is supporting are essentially SJW points, just with more "spirituality".
Leftist: The backwards tribes are beautiful innocent tribes who don't know better
Liberal: The backwards tribes are doing heinous shit and should be taught to be better
Sargon: the backwards tribes have a sorta spiritual innocence and simply followed their traditions, rather than thinking about them

Honestly, the dude is getting so focused on morality & spirituality that he seems to deliberately want to ignore the barbarism it can cause. There's a reason I constantly say I'm looking forward to when he no longer considers himself an atheist and comes out of the closet, worshipping Jesus or Jupiter or Vishnu or some other "based trad" god.

(I worry that Carl might start unironically retweeting 'the industrial revolution and its consequences' memes.)

I honestly think the only reason he hasn't done that is either:
1) He hasn't read that manifesto. Honestly, it's not a page-turner.
2) He thinks Kaczynski wasn't "spiritually trad enough".

 

[waffle]

I honestly think the only reason he hasn't done that is either:
1) He hasn't read that manifesto. Honestly, it's not a page-turner.
2) He thinks Kaczynski wasn't "spiritually trad enough

One of his zoomers really likes uncle Ted, but Carl's angloid sensibilities clash with Ted's get-r-done Americanism.