2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

This thread only demonstrates the weakness of westerners and why their countries are shitholes. They can't overthrow "their" governments, can't/won't do anything about the destruction of their own countries, and can't even keep from wringing their hands about their enemies killing each other. And believe me, BOTH sides are your enemies.

Pathetic. Both the muslims and the jews are right about who you are.
Yeah, looking at all the footage, these places really seem like a fuckin paradise. Maybe I should take a vacation there sometime. The threat of getting my head blown off while drinking a whiskey sour really adds to the zest of the place.
 
Hamas can't win militarily. This escalation was to secure victories on the political, economic, or diplomatic fronts.

I also don't think Hamas will stand and fight. They've got more to gain by engaging in just enough terrorism to keep the IDF and Israel from a return to normalcy.
> Seeing warfare on this scale is unprecendented
It literally isn't and I gave you several examples of ACTUAL wars involving ACTUAL recognized nations and not a terrorist organization. And, again, even those terrorist actions aren't anything particularly new.

Did you guys forget that the Hamas is the elected government of Gaza?
We are about to see the "find out" part that comes after the "fucking around" because this isn't just terrorists, this is the elected government that did this.

Fatah in the West Bank doesn't seem to want none of what's going down here.
 
They taught me how to drive forwards and make a flat surface.
I'm going to hell. I busted up laughing reading that.
So basically, the same tactic the Russians did with Grozney.
Second Battle of Fallujah right down to the D9s that can now face tank RPG-9s.
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Lmfao, what a pathetic conclusion by Bidet's handlers.

We all know that Iran bankrolled and trained Hamas, and ultimately ordered the attack. This is going to escalate beyond just Israel and Hamas.

Even if there was obvious, concrete evidence of this, in no universe will the Biden admin admit this, considering how the Biden admin released billions of held funds of Iran back to them.

Stating clearly that Iran funded this is an admission that the Biden admin did, and Biden is already on the teetering edge of getting wrecked in 2024 by literally anybody.
 
Did you guys forget that the Hamas is the elected government of Gaza?
We are about to see the "find out" part that comes after the "fucking around" because this isn't just terrorists, this is the elected government that did this.

Fatah in the West Bank doesn't seem to want none of what's going down here.
Sure, they're elected, but they are still not a recognized military because they don't wear uniforms (so they can try and count literally any Hamas death as a "civilian death") and aren't a recognized sovereign nation. It's very different from the Arab-Israeli Wars where multiple Arab nations attempted to invade Israel.
 
always the possibility other Muslim countries would step in to prevent the Palestinian slaughter, and then so would other Western nations on Israel's side and that's how you get WW3.
Who, exactly, might intervene?

Syria: They are in no conditions to do so, they still have an active civil war, with a recent drone strike that killed 100 people, they going to be focused on finishing up the Islamists that remain in Idlib.

Egypt: They warned the Israelis about the attack, that the Jews didn't pay attention that's on them. But by warning Israel they are clearly not on the Palestinians side, they might send ambulances to Gaza and let some of them in their hospitals but that's as far as they'll go.

The Saudis: Why? They haven't done so before, and they won't now. Besides the Hamas flavor of Sunni is not compatible with Wahhabism.

Jordan: Black September, they haven't forgotten about that.

Lebanon: Is too weak and politically fractured to do anything.

Iraq: Same as Lebanon, maybe some drone or missile attacks by the PMFs, but that's about it, any ground forces would have to go through either Jordan or Syria, both unlikely to given them permission.

Turkey: Erdogan doesn't give a shit about the Pallys, besides he has the Kurds, Syria and his adventure in Libya to focus on.

Libya: Is a mess.

Morocco: Has good relationships with Israel, might fight Argelia in the near future, why involve themselves in some war in the Levant?.

Argelia: Too far away, might fight Morocco in the near future, why involve themselves in some war in the Levant?

Iran: How? Besides maybe lobbing a few missiles at Israel and some operations by the Quds force, how could they turn the tide? They don't have the logistical capacity to bring enough forces to bear in the Levant to stop Israel, not especially since the Jews are mobilizing.

Hezbollah: Maybe, they could try an open a second front and launch rocket barrages at Israel but that would just delay the inevitable, they could bloody Israel like they did back in 2006, but Hezbollah was on the defensive back then and this time they'll have to go on the offensive to help Hamas and the IDF seems to be ready for them.

The Houthis: If they want to get anywhere close to Israel they'll have to go trough either Saudi Arabia or by the Red Sea. The Saudis are not going to allow them to do anything, their war is not over yet. And if they try anything by using the Red Sea, say a drone strike, they'll get spotted by either Egypt or Saudi Arabia, both would likely tell the Jews about it. And this all assuming they have the capabilities to do so.
 
I still can't believe Biden called a lid before noon, not even sending out the retarded lesbian to to face questions.
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Palestinians have been using M4 forever, they're usually stolen from IDF reservists.

Infact here's Reem Riyashi, the first Female Hamas Sucide Bomber posing with one in Gaza 20 years ago.
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Ok, they have moral principles and don't care if Palestine is pro or anti gay because they don't live there. "Leftists are dumb because Israel is extremely gay" is not the own you think it is.
With your logic, they shouldn't be pro or anti colonization either, because they don't live there.

Picking and choosing what moral outrage you have (ignoring the fact hamas would wipe gay people off the face of the planet if they had the power to, due to the fact they happen to be opposing a country that has a rival political-economic system that leftists are fundamentally against) is not principle; its hypocrisy.

Its why they condemn israel, and mental gymnastics the fuck out of china.
 
Do you think they fucked that Goat before sending it int battle?
Dunno, was it looking bow legged on the stream?

Is rape worse than cold-blooded execution?
I've never heard the dead complain. As for the actual question, I haven't seen any evidence of it actually happening myself, but it wouldn't surprise me - Militant organizations tend to collect and tolerate those kinda folks just cuz they're willing to fight.
 
Turkey: Erdogan doesn't give a shit about the Pallys, besides he has the Kurds, Syria and his adventure in Libya to focus on.
And Turkey has good relationships with Israel, despite the mudslimes in Turkey sperging out about jews and pouring Coca Cola on streets. Israel had sent help to Turkey after the 6 February earthquakes.
Palestine support on the streets, Israel friendship on the sheets.
 
When did I say warfare never happens? I was stating that it was shocking how quickly this war cropped up and how quickly it escalated to full-blown siege warfare. Again, no idea what point you're trying to make, that seeing civilians getting murdered isn't a big deal? Or that something that happened decades ago excuses it? Go tell that to the people caught in the crossfire.
Siege warfare is the only option when your enemy is surrounded by a 20 foot fence. They have existed in a semi-siege state for decades. All Israel is doing is tightening the screws a little bit.
 
That, the King David Hotel, the bulldozer girl, all those of christian faith that get spat on while just walking by...
>Remember the USS Liberty
Can I acknowledge these things, dislike Israel and simultaneously believe that the Palestinians are subhuman scum with absolutely zero redeeming qualities that have out-jewed even the Jews when it comes to the tactic of "The Jew cries out as he strikes you"?
Ffs the Palestinians are so bad that as pointed out a million and a half times in the last few days the surrounding Arab nations can't even take them in without them trying to subvert and murder their Governments, cause civil wars and assassinate their leaders.

The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
 
Siege warfare is the only option when your enemy is surrounded by a 20 foot fence. They have existed in a semi-siege state for decades. All Israel is doing is tightening the screws a little bit.
I'm not taking sides or saying who is and isn't justified. Just seeing the amount of destruction is wild.
 
I agree with you, this is difficult to predict. The problem is more that your making statements without trying to back them up with any reasoning that folks can follow, and when folks question you on that, your blaming them for not getting that reasoning. Things are pretty chaotic in this thread with everyone jumping in for their piece, so any multi-post line of reasoning is gonna get broken over potentially dozens of pages. Better to make whole arguments in single places than to assume the average kiwifarmer won't treat this like the usual Chris thread and just spam "next highlight" cuz there's too much to read.
I think you are correct but only because some folks here believe America is the richest, strongest and best military in the world and to a lesser degree, Israel as well, along with "lol dumb goatfuckers". I'm not here to convince anyone the US has been blinking red for the past several years, because if they have not already noticed it, then they are't going to now. The same is true for Israel, which has been mired in a political and social crisis of Netanyahu's making for the past several months which I believe may be at least partially responsible for the IDF regulars lack of readiness. As far as Muslims are concerned I don't think they are as disciplined and capable as some of their supporters believe but more so than their detractors argue, which was discussed earlier in the thread.

Here's an example: The Al-Qassam Brigade is the armed wing of HAMAS, which is the majority in the PLC. Most of those doing the worse shit did not look to be Al-Qassam but local yobs or other factions, some of whom may have been HAMAS but not necessarily Al-Qassam.

This isn't a thread on the history politics, factions and issues in Israel/Gaza and I assume when someone makes a statement like "X would/would never happen" I assume they can state why. If their only reason for doing so is "joos good-bad/muzzies good-bad/america weak-stronk" then sorry, they deserve mocking if they can't give legit reasons in support of their statements.
 
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