Hasan Piker / HasanAbi - Young Turk, Twitch Streamer, Stunlocked Brogressive, Cenk's Nephew, only a socialist for the money

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Alter Ego said:
Hasan will certainly (attempt to) turn down his rhetoric in the presence of Ethan, but as I just said in the other thread, I don't have high expectations for the podcast more so because I believe Ethan has been too cowed by his Hasan-indoctrinated audience to put up much of a fight, despite his recent protests.

The podcast starts now, and despite the intriguing thumbnail, Ethan is immediately warning the audience to lower expectations of a big fight:
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Interestingly, chat is disabled this time, which has not been the case in previous streams...
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Again, I do not understand Hasan or the appeal.

Who watches these and thinks "WOO, you tell him Hasan!" He's so fragile. Like even if you agree with Hasan's opinions, this man folds and is afraid to voice and hold his stances the moment there's any pushback at all. Any debate on any issue that isn't black-and-white and more controversial just has him folding and bending over to try and not piss off the opposition.

He doesn't defend his case in an "agree to disagree" manner where he just makes it a point to voice his perspective with respect for the other and confidence for his own, he doesn't actually change his mind and agree while quietly nodding and "agreeing" with whoever is arguing with him, he doesn't truly listen to any counterpoints and seems more eager to just get back to his turn to speak, and then when he speaks he stutters about his words and trips over them constantly because he's afraid of saying anything controversial, all while childishly dodging, avoiding and drawing out questions from his opponents so long that both might forget wtf they're even talking about/what the question was to begin with.

Why anyone - regardless of their political beliefs - would support Hasan is beyond me. He's just all-around terrible at what he purports to do. And that's the scary part: because he's so ineffective and bad at what he does, you have to question the intelligence of his supporters. It's not about politically disagreeing with him, it's about just how bad he is at making any points and actually engaging with and ACKNOWLEDGING the points of the opposition: Dude just shuts his brain off and doesn't actually listen or consider contra-points, instead approaching them with an attitude of "must defeat" regardless of the point made. It's obvious.
 
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A Flying Nun said:
Who watches these and thinks "WOO, you tell him Hasan!" He's so fragile. Like even if you agree with Hasan's opinions, this man folds and is afraid to voice and hold his stances the moment there's any pushback at all. Any debate on any issue that isn't black-and-white and more controversial just has him folding and bending over to try and not piss off the opposition.
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He rarely has any substantive discussions with people outside his bubble, so his fans almost never see this side of him. He's also attractive, streams 6-8 hours a day and seldom takes days off, and has politics that are popular among young people in the current zeitgeist. And he's good at networking with normie streamers and public figures to extend his reach.
 
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A. G. Peak said:
Hasan did a bit of performative crying.
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Oh boy, when was this? I clicked on a random bit of the stream, about an hour in:

Hasan: Your feelings are totally valid. What is happening currently is a-a ongoing, at least 75 year campaign of ethnic displacement, upon people who had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

Ethan: What is it you're saying though? We have to be real about how we interpret everybody's suffering. Bro, you don't know how crazy this was, we were listening to the news, live, and families were calling in whispering, the terrorists were killing their children in front of them, burning people alive in safe houses - yknow what I mean? Shooting babies with AK47s, and so - I'm just saying, it's important to empathise with how a Jewish person, or specifically an Israeli, might feel hearing these phonecalls.

Hila: There are kids that survived because they were lying under their dead parents' bodies, and they lay there for hours, the whole day, and that's how they survived, and the last time that we heard stories like that was the Holocaust.

Ethan: And again, it's not about right or wrong, it's just about having the empathy to understand your - quote - enemy, to understand their perspective... and I'm not even asking Gazans to even be like "Oh I appreciate what they're going through", I'm talking about people who like wanna fuckin debate it all day long... this stuff does influence people, the demonstrations you see out there that happened like immediately afterwards, these people - these have an effect on people around the world.

Hasan: I don't think they have any say or any effect on the Western world's united defence of Israel-

Ethan: It effects antisemitism and it effects how people treat Jews and it normalises, by the way, treating Israelis like animals.

Hasan: I-I don't believe we should treat Israelis like animals... and-and-and-and one thing that y-you have I think that people do not is the experiences that you mention...

I'm not listening to the whole thing but :story: I am interested to see what comes out of "Hasan debates the Israel/Palestine conflict"
 
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I watched the whole podcast and presented my thorough takeaway in the other thread:
Alter Ego said:
I listened to the whole thing, which is almost four hours long. At first I was thinking about putting my main thoughts on it in the Hasan thread since he's the more contentious and high-profile person, but on second thought (not to mean Second Thought), I'll just put it here since this podcast technically belongs to Ethan.

In summary, to those who don't like Hasan, there are some interesting things to draw from this podcast about him, ranging from his total lack of empathy towards dead and terrorized Israelis to his struggling defense for blatant supporters of Hamas terrorism. There certainly will be such clips made from this to be disseminated and discussed. For those who wanted to see a big fight and dramatic schism between Ethan and Hasan, however, they will be disappointed. Right at the start, Ethan warns excited viewers to set their expectations low, and though there are a some moments of tension, by the end it's clear that Hasan was always going to come out as the winner in the Hasanverse because Ethan, obviously cowed by his commie audience and peers, made it his goal to acquiesce and forgive Hasan at every moment while Hasan gave nothing in return. This is exemplified the most when the podcast closes with Ethan apologizing to fr0gan even though he's totally in the right to be disgusted with her.

The first two hours are a big blur of general discussion between Ethan and Hasan. It's difficult to parse out point by point, but the whole thing can be condensed to this description: Ethan, a quintessential bleeding-heart liberal, expresses great dismay over death and terror on both sides of the conflict and begs over and over for Hasan to show empathy towards the Israeli side without caveat, but Hasan won't have any of it and sticks to his script saying that Palestinians are always good victims and Israelis are always bad oppressors (and Americans are bad too). Any fault of Palestinians (e.g., Hamas' weekend murder rampage) is actually the fault of genocidal Israelis who made them that way. Hasan uses a "nice voice" in comparison to his usually tone when streaming on his own, but it's still the same rhetoric.

During this block, both Ethan and Hasan have their own moment in which they cry openly, Ethan's being early and Hasan's being later. Some call it performative, but I do not doubt both of their sincerity and passion that would bring them to tears. What I find most interesting to mention out of this is what they cry about. Ethan cries about seeing new video of a Gazan holding a dead baby amidst rubble, showing the empathy he feels towards the Palestinians that are "other" to him. Hasan cries about the "assassination" and funeral of American-Palestinian Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh last year (and there's more to the story than he lets on), showing the empathy he feels towards... the Palestinians he has always felt allegiance towards. It's a demonstrated of just how one-sided Hasan is.

After the two hour mark, discussion is framed around a series of media clips and commentary from outside of the conflict. Here's where you'll find more sheer entertainment value as Hasan struggles and ties himself into knots to defend figures who nakedly support Hamas terrorism, including Hasan's own friend Second Thought. Hasan's main argument is that such figures have no influence and are too small to matter, and bringing attention to them is only giving ammo to the big bad Rightwingers. What was most spicy was when Ethan presented last a stream clip of Hasan himself claiming that Israel has a "well documented" system of raping Palestinian prisoners. Ethan took it upon himself to research and found there to be nothing but an empty, anonymous accusation by CAIR. Flustered, Hasan responds not by admitting that he was spouting bullshit, but by promising that he'll come back to Ethan later with more information. (He won't.) Throughout all of this, however, I did not find Ethan to be as pressing and skeptical towards Hasan as he was during the China talk. Instead he constantly allows with a shrug for Hasan to weasel out of scrutiny, and Ethan even makes sure to always add the disclaimer that all of the disturbing shit he's talked about seeing from Leftists over the past week does not include Hasan himself. The podcast then closes with Ethan solidifying his cuck status by apologizing to fr0gan, saying that her expressed feelings were warranted and that his reaction to her was out of line.

So yeah, so much for Ethan having a turn to the light. He'd rather just curl up in silence and hope that the leopards he surrounded himself with don't eat his face anymore.

Maybe I'll figure out how to do video clips so I can highlight a few parts I found to be particularly amusing and don't believe will be covered by others.
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In short, Hasan mostly demonstrates his sheer apathy (at best) towards Israelis despite Ethan's begging, but though there are a few parts in which Hasan squirms in embarrassment, Ethan proves himself to be the biggest cuck of all by giving up and acquiescing to his commie audience and peers.
 
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victim'victim said:
Also this tweet claims that his father is a co-founder of a new Islamist party in Turkey.

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That's another thing I've noticed that's changing, and I don't think it's for the better:

Turn back the clock 50-70 years, we might have arguments ending with a dismissive "listen to your elders," with the older generation claiming they're right just by virtue of being older. This is of course not the greatest dynamic, because it supports a conversation where the elderly expect to just be blindly listened to, even in scenarios where they cannot put it into words why they're right. No, that's not ideal: try to put your point into words, and if you can't, that's on you.

Then we swung towards not allowing the above argument, and that's great!

....And then we over-corrected and now have shit like the above, with Hasan praising the growth his father has shown, patting him on the back for doing a good job with it.

There is an arrogance to the younger generation today where they think they know everything, and they're dismissive of older generations thinking they simply know better and that all old-fashioned standards are bigoted and wrong. I know I'll sound like an old man by saying that, but it's true.

This is the exact same shit as the type of dismissal we saw from older generations before, except now it's the younger generation doing it, and what it's doing is training a generation of people to be dogmatic, close-minded, self-centered and entitled. The youth of today are never ready to concede they're wrong or were wrong, and instead expect to just preach how things should be while everyone else listens. We see it reinforced in the debates: Hasan never gives the impression he's there to hear his opposition out, he just wants them to stop talking so he can preach at them some more and "enlighten" them.

30 years ago, Hasan's tweet would be "when I was 14 I didn't understand my father's wisdom, but now I've come to appreciate it." Today it's "I'm not the one who grew up, he is. Good job, father! I raised you well!"

I know I'm ranting a lot here but god DAMN this shit is painful to watch, and the problem with arrogance is that arrogant people blind themselves to any chance of improvement. Were he here, he'd simply dismiss my accusation without a thought. And that whole dynamic begs the question of what the hell the future of politics is gonna look like if we have a surplus of arrogance running around. It was always a problem for politics, but now it's a pandemic.
 
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A Flying Nun said:
....And then we over-corrected and now have shit like the above, with Hasan praising the growth his father has shown, patting him on the back for doing a good job with it.
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As much as I love dunking on Hasan he was pretty clearly doing a riff of the supposed Mark Twain quote, found on novelty magnets in gift shops the world over
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A. G. Peak said:
Hasan did a bit of performative crying.

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Interesting to see how quickly these ultra-confrontational leftist tough guys totally ditch their whole persona the instant theres no evil white man to blame for a political issue.
You would think Hassan would jump at the oppertunity to rip apart a rouge settler state oppressing the native population, or scream at the top of his lungs about nationalist, christian terrorists are slaughtering Jewish babies. But he can`t, not when its the wholesome chungus minorites slaughtering eachother. His retarded, sensationalist, armchair activism has utterly conditioned himself and all his fans to see the world in such a 2-dimentional way that ANY negative opinion about jews and browns must necessarily be racist and backwards.
And the result we get to see two of the Left`s loudest kings of banter sniffle and blabber like BITCHES for over an hour because they know they cant say anything about this topic they allegedly care about without endangering their paycheck.

This whole livestream is one of the most homosexual things Ive ever had the displeasure of hearing, its just pathetic
 
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A. G. Peak said:
Hasan did a bit of performative crying.

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FYI, this is the funeral conflict Hasan is crying about:
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So a large mob barged in on a funeral and were in the process of stealing the coffin for their own purpose of martyrdom when the police intervened.

As for the "assassination" of Palestinian-American Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu-Akleh, she was following an IDF raid on terrorists (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) in the West Bank and was killed in the crossfire. The US State Department conducted an investigation and concluded that while it is likely she was killed by IDF gunfire, they have no reason to believe that it was intentional, but rather a tragic accident.
 
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newuser131 said:
hasan needs to fire his acting coach.
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Holy shit, Hasan "Hasanabi" Piker make Oliver "Philosophy Tube" Lennard look like [third breadtuber who is actually good at acting]!

The fact that he chose to grandstand on the event described by @Alter Ego is just, such a slap in the face. He knows that Ethan is his little bitch, he knows that he won't push back on whatever bullshit sobstory he decides to tell. Ethan is a cuck and Hasan will never tire of putting him in his place.
 
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