Megathread Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome - jsingal69 vs TroonWorld

Jesse contrasts with him not because he is more liberal, but because he makes an effort to approach things with an open mind, while Lindsay starts out already knowing what the truth is.
I think Jesse taking extreme pains to be fair, even to the people who have tried to ruin his career, until it's time to dunk of James Lindsay is funny. He really makes him lose his shit. It's hard to know what to make of it. You can definitely prefer Jesse's approach, but damn it looks personal because of how open-minded he tries to be.

"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.” - G.K. Chesterton
 
Has anyone else managed to finish the most recent episode of Blocked & Reported? If anyone had any doubt about the Gellman Effect they just have to listen to Katie talk about how she interviewed bully XL breeders and a fake kennel club and discovered that the dogs are actually super sweet and would never attack anyone, honest! She also says that the bully XL is genetically indistinguishable from regular pit bulls, which should have made her realize that the breeders are lying to her, but instead she concludes that this means the UK ban on them is illogical since the breed is fake. I know "white women fuck dogs" is a tired old meme but Katie really does have a weird relationship with dogs and it shows in this episode. Stupid shit all around, and Jesse just sat there throughout the episode and didn't do or say anything other than condemn phrenology. They should probably stick to covering trannies since it's clear that they're out of their depth when the freaks they talk about aren't human.

Edit: over 600 comments about this episode on Reddit. The community there universally rejects Katie's claims, with people rightly comparing pit bulls to pedophiles and murderers. Total pibble death.
 
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Has anyone else managed to finish the most recent episode of Blocked & Reported? If anyone had any doubt about the Gellman Effect they just have to listen to Katie talk about how she interviewed bully XL breeders and a fake kennel club and discovered that the dogs are actually super sweet and would never attack anyone, honest! She also says that the bully XL is genetically indistinguishable from regular pit bulls, which should have made her realize that the breeders are lying to her, but instead she concludes that this means the UK ban on them is illogical since the breed is fake. I know "white women fuck dogs" is a tired old meme but Katie really does have a weird relationship with dogs and it shows in this episode. Stupid shit all around, and Jesse just sat there throughout the episode and didn't do or say anything other than condemn phrenology. They should probably stick to covering trannies since it's clear that they're out of their depth when the freaks they talk about aren't human.

Edit: over 600 comments about this episode on Reddit. The community there universally rejects Katie's claims, with people rightly comparing pit bulls to pedophiles and murderers. Total pibble death.
I’d buy that the guy who bred the bully XLs was trying to make a docile dog. But since it has become a marketing term to sell intimidating looking dogs, then it’s irrelevant to the conversation. Arguing what type of bull terrier mix a dog is isn’t really the point. Extending a breed ban to cover the newest marketing term to sell large aggressive dogs to large stupid men is just common sense.
There are temperamentally sound bull terriers that will never pose a danger to people, but the average person doesn’t need to own one anyway. It’s a cultural issue more than anything and they only briefly touched on that. Thuggish men will go out and find another aggressive breed as they did point out, so the real conversation is around why we have dogs and whether having dogs is a right or a privilege. And around why cultures with a hyper aggressive antisocial view of masculinity are a problem.
Breed bans seem sensible to me but they won’t work without also tackling the problem of people who actively want, breed and often abandon aggressive dogs.
 
Has anyone else managed to finish the most recent episode of Blocked & Reported?
To be honest I've not listened to B&R since they showed they know nothing about British politics in their (I think primo-only?) episode about Katharine Birbalsingh. Then the next episode was about Gays Against Groomers, and then now chiming in on the UK again in the Bully XL episode. I'm not looking for a podcast that just supports my existing views, but I do expect them to at least do more research than Michael Hobbes.
 
If anyone had any doubt about the Gellman Effect they just have to listen to Katie talk about how she interviewed bully XL breeders and a fake kennel club and discovered that the dogs are actually super sweet and would never attack anyone, honest!

I think whenever Katie thinks she's emotionally biased towards one side of an argument (Moose was attacked by a pit), and that side is also the mainstream side of the argument, she has a tendency to look waaay too far the other way, giving over the top credence to anyone arguing the other side to counteract her own point of view which she's dismissing as illogical. It's like the extreme opposite of sitting tight in your cozy comfy twitter echo chamber. She really should have stuck to her initial instinct.

But I didn't think the conclusion was too bad. It was basically "It's more complicated than it seems, how can you ban something you can't even correctly identify", which I thought was fair.
 
To be honest I've not listened to B&R since they showed they know nothing about British politics in their (I think primo-only?) episode about Katharine Birbalsingh. Then the next episode was about Gays Against Groomers, and then now chiming in on the UK again in the Bully XL episode. I'm not looking for a podcast that just supports my existing views, but I do expect them to at least do more research than Michael Hobbes.
The GAG episode was good and well researched, actually. The woman who runs that ridiculous organisation is pretty much a proto-lolcow.
 
I'm subscribed to B & R but honestly I skip most of the episodes about trans issues, it's always just the same tired old stuff at this point. The reason I still subscribe is for their episodes on internet and cancellation drama (the one about the queer Yiddish anarchist cafe in Glasgow was a favorite). I wish they would do more of those.

Does anyone know if there are other podcasts also focused on that kind of drama, without too much of an explicit political angle? (I like B & R because I like hearing about cancellation meltdowns without someone stopping to go into a ten minute rant about how woke is destroying America. I know woke is destroying America, I don't care, I am here to laugh at queer Yiddish anarchists fighting each other.)
 
seems like the actual conclusion is that there could actually be completely "game" breeds that are hazards to life but there is no tracking of it at all.
 
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At the risk of coming down with JSDS myself, this is a perfect example of where liberalism (non-US sense) gets you:
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Can’t wait for future deeply considered heterodox takes, such as “North Korea is bad” or “Vladimir Putin is not nice, actually”. Poor Jesse and Katie, bravely taking a stance that only most Western governments have also taken, must be lonely.

The whole “heterodox” thing just reminds me of how the leading lights of the “new atheist” movement used the cachet they got from that to paint supporting the invasion of Iraq as somehow bravely standing up against the establishment.
 
At the risk of coming down with JSDS myself, this is a perfect example of where liberalism (non-US sense) gets you:
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Can’t wait for future deeply considered heterodox takes, such as “North Korea is bad” or “Vladimir Putin is not nice, actually”. Poor Jesse and Katie, bravely taking a stance that only most Western governments have also taken, must be lonely.

The whole “heterodox” thing just reminds me of how the leading lights of the “new atheist” movement used the cachet they got from that to paint supporting the invasion of Iraq as somehow bravely standing up against the establishment.
I wonder (but will not listen to find out) how many obviously fake social media propaganda hoaxes Jesse fell for this time, like when he was promoting the most laughable fake info at the beginning of the Ukraine/Russia war
 
Did you listen to the podcast or are just reacting to the title?
Posted when I saw the title, listened to make sure I wasn't making a fool of myself, gave up half-way through.

Edit: Leaving the politics of the matter aside, my primary frustration is that B&R has previously been good at getting into the details of things, but it feels to me that there have been a lot of instances recently where they hit a mental block and just fall back on taking things at face value. Certainly I've noticed it more and more since the Fatrick episodes.
 
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At the risk of coming down with JSDS myself, this is a perfect example of where liberalism (non-US sense) gets you:
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Can’t wait for future deeply considered heterodox takes, such as “North Korea is bad” or “Vladimir Putin is not nice, actually”. Poor Jesse and Katie, bravely taking a stance that only most Western governments have also taken, must be lonely.

The whole “heterodox” thing just reminds me of how the leading lights of the “new atheist” movement used the cachet they got from that to paint supporting the invasion of Iraq as somehow bravely standing up against the establishment.
I haven't listened yet, but the flood of "it's not cancel culture when *I* like it!" and "never forget the 40 gorillion decapitated babies!" comments has me worried, especially after the weepy bitch post Jesse wrote about people not condemning Hamas a few days ago.

Edit: Leaving the politics of the matter aside, my primary frustration is that B&R has previously been good at getting into the details of things, but it feels to me that there have been a lot of instances recently where they hit a mental block and just fall back on taking things at face value. Certainly I've noticed it more and more since the Fatrick episode
What was wrong with that episode? I don't know the Fatrick saga too well but it does seem like the guy got a raw deal out of proportion to his autistic bs.
 
What was wrong with that episode? I don't know the Fatrick saga too well but it does seem like the guy got a raw deal out of proportion to his autistic bs.
It felt to me that Katie had set out to do a “look at these people aren’t they awful” story, and as part of that treated Tomlinson’s claims too credulously, glossing over him being a compulsive liar.

Some discussion in the Fat Pat thread from here onwards:
Blocked and Reported put out the first part of their two parter on Tomlinson and Jackie Singh.
 
Can’t wait for future deeply considered heterodox takes, such as “North Korea is bad” or “Vladimir Putin is not nice, actually”. Poor Jesse and Katie, bravely taking a stance that only most Western governments have also taken, must be lonely.

The whole “heterodox” thing just reminds me of how the leading lights of the “new atheist” movement used the cachet they got from that to paint supporting the invasion of Iraq as somehow bravely standing up against the establishment.
"Heterodox" has been memed so hard by that crowd that it's lost all coherent meaning beyond "unpopular with the loudest Twitter leftists." On the one hand, stances supported by a strong majority of Americans are (for whatever reason) described as heterodox: lab leak theory is heterodox; thinking riots are bad is heterodox; suggesting that trans women aren't literally and materially women is heterodox. On the other hand, broadly unpopular ideas are grouped under the same heterodox umbrella with no distinction: retvrners are heterodox; IQ obsessives are heterodox; taking Bret Weinstein seriously is heterodox. Heterodox heterodox heterodox. Don’t forget the garden variety neocons who identify as heterodox to fool themselves and others into seeing them as lone rangers of free thought.

It would be nice if they ditched heterodox for different words that more precisely, usefully describe the political orientations of the people/opinions at hand. But they won't because it's attractive branding that strokes the egos of those who claim it — oh, you're heterodox; you bend to no idols; your big brain rejects all cults.

I haven't listened yet, but the flood of "it's not cancel culture when *I* like it!" and "never forget the 40 gorillion decapitated babies!" comments has me worried, especially after the weepy bitch post Jesse wrote about people not condemning Hamas a few days ago.
The Substack commenters are mad that J&K didn't hit the cancel button hard enough, which speaks well to their handling of the subject, though I'm not interested in listening to their punditry on foreign affairs. It's a joke how fast that wing of anti wokes turned. Suddenly all the lines they hated — I don't feel safe, silence is violence, we need moral clarity, you're either with us or evil — are coming out of their mouths with such righteousness! This could have been a moment for self reflection, like huh, it seems that everyone has a strong emotional reaction to Their People being attacked, and most people are pretty bad at limiting that reaction to a rational scale when the attack comes close enough, and tribalism overrides universalist principles in the vast majority of individuals, so maybe, for the sake of intellectual honesty, I should stop calling myself 100% anti cancel culture while bringing my pitchfork to a mob against hippy dippy "all civilian deaths are tragic" both-siders. But no. It's always cancel culture = bad, my calls to fire the enemy = good, ∴ my calls to fire the enemy ≠ cancel culture. Have cake and eat it too.

It shouldn't be so hard to recognize that just about everyone has one tribal allegiance or another that will override even their strongest consciously held principles. That's human. That's fine. What's annoying is people pretending to be universally, tribelessly principled while fighting for their tribe in a way that clearly violates any principles they claim. I realize that this is a necessary hypocrisy for states, as ceding the moral high ground unforced only invites vultures. But individuals who claim to be thoughtful, who rag on others for not being thoughtful, are yes, very annoying when they can't think through the gaps between their self image and actual behavior.

J&K are like that from time to time, but nowhere near as insufferable as their commenters on Substack and Reddit, whose opinions I can predict with tedious accuracy based on tribal vibes alone. Comment ranking by votes enforces community consensus and penalizes all deviation from popular mood, no matter how intelligent or subtle. I hate it. Long live the classic forum.
 
At the risk of coming down with JSDS myself, this is a perfect example of where liberalism (non-US sense) gets you:
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Can’t wait for future deeply considered heterodox takes, such as “North Korea is bad” or “Vladimir Putin is not nice, actually”. Poor Jesse and Katie, bravely taking a stance that only most Western governments have also taken, must be lonely.

The whole “heterodox” thing just reminds me of how the leading lights of the “new atheist” movement used the cachet they got from that to paint supporting the invasion of Iraq as somehow bravely standing up against the establishment.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I'm not getting the point here. The title is obviously a joke, because they're talking about people online who cannot clear the incredibly low bar of saying terrorists are bad. If liberalism leads you to condemn terrorists, that speaks well for liberalism.
 
Maybe I'm dumb, but I'm not getting the point here. The title is obviously a joke, because they're talking about people online who cannot clear the incredibly low bar of saying terrorists are bad. If liberalism leads you to condemn terrorists, that speaks well for liberalism.
Yeah, J&K‘s position was that you can call Hamas scum and also think what’s hitting the Gaza Strip is a humanitarian disaster and/or war crime. They spent part of that podcast looking at the reactions of people who happily call Trump a fascist but get shy when a pogrom is on foot.

The Substack commenters are mad that J&K didn't hit the cancel button hard enough, which speaks well to their handling of the subject,

Was it Katie saying the Harvard kids should get a pass because they’re retards that gave Substackers the sads?

my primary frustration is that B&R has previously been good at getting into the details of things, but it feels to me that there have been a lot of instances recently where they hit a mental block and just fall back on taking things at face value. Certainly I've noticed it more and more since the Fatrick episodes.

Just when they get more research assistance… wonder if they feel uncomfortable being sceptical of material they’ve paid someone to find. Or have just gotten lazy and complacent with success. Still love them, just not unconditionally.
 
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