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Every single time this debate gets brought up, a man always says pregnancy is never his fault. Every time. It's as if you absolutely refuse to take the responsibility and accountability you state women lack. Men are always responsible for pregnancy. Period. You stuck your dick inside a woman. You ejaculated inside her. There was nothing stopping you from pulling out, yet the excuse you men give is 'well I didn't have time/it didn't feel good/I didn't want to.' In every single conversation, be it about pregnancy or abortion, you males will rant about murder and lack of accountability, while refusing to ever admit you instigated sex in the first place. (And the child support and the divorce courts and the custody battles, oh, you really bitch about those, too.)And women should be held accountable for allowing herself to get impregnated in the first place. It takes two to tango, buddy. The woman didn't just lie there take it, she had to agree to have sex in the first place. Both parents need to be held accountable, and both parents should share equal responsibility. The system as it is does not do this. I don't know why you don't understand this. The issue isn't that men are held accountable. Its that men and women aren't held accountable equally.
Now let's make it at conception. If men are mad now, I want to see them bitch about the laws they demanded be enacted.Do you know anything about the current system? THIS IS WHAT THE LAW ALREADY DOES. Child support is mandatory, with threat of everything from garnished wages to jail time for those who don't pay.
You can choose to pull out. You can use a condom. Yet, every single time, you demand the woman be on birth control or take responsibility because you were lacking in yours. Cum on the floor, simple as, or use a towel. You men always, always blame the woman for 'letting the man ejaculate inside them' as if you didn't stick it in there to begin with. Who are the children, again?And if women don't want to have a baby, they can not let men ejaculate into them. Simple as.
Foster care systems, especially in Texas, are already overwhelmed. A child doesn't need to have both parents dead to become a ward of the state. Adoptions is just you dumping - yes, dumping - your parental responsibility on someone else. Again, the onus is on the woman to do it, never you. You yourself stated you'd 'love to go to the hood and fix things' but you won't. Pretty easy to know why.Adoption isn't giving a child to the state. Its giving the child to another family. Children who are wards of the state end up in orphanages, not adoptions. Adoptions also aren't "dumping" children anywhere. The family who takes in the adopted child choose to adopt the child in question. People aren't just forced to take children they don't want. Do you even understand how any of the systems you are talking about work?
"Nobody argues this"What are you even trying to argue here? Nobody in this thread has argued that the man didn't choose to have sex. But for some reason, you pro-abortion people seem to completely disregard that the woman in this scenario has agency and can simply choose to not have sex, completely forestalling the issue the abortion entirely. You can't argue that women are "forced" to carry children to term without completely taking away a woman's agency and ability to say no to sex.
You do, and have, repeatedly. Pro life men simultaneously argue that women have agency and are in full control of sex while making the argument that they are more rational and responsible party when they just keep ejaculating in women. "I couldn't help it/I couldn't stop it/It was too quick, honey". You can choose not to have sex. But men, compared to women, state they need it as if they are entitled to it. You cannot argue that the system is 'unfair' to men via the courts when you created those children because of a - ahem - lapse in judgement.
If a woman abstains from sex, you call her a frigid bitch. If she chooses to tick off all those boxes you want and has that child, she's 'wasted goods' because she's a single mother and I have seen what you men say about single moms and how devastating they are for children. There is simply no winning with you people.
Name one. Because I don't see that as a platform for LiveAction or any of the pro life organizations that are working to ban abortion state by state. And in states like Texas, you only get two months of pay for 'maternity care'. And that is for low income women. The statement that you cease giving a shit once those babies are born is undoubtedly true, and it is reflected in the absolute lack of maternity programs in the United States.Really, dude? All pro-life politicians are not advocating for reforming the adoption/foster care system? All of them? Speaking in absolutes is stupid.
You know full well what it goddamn means. It means taking care of the mother and her newborn - the one you demanded be born - afterwards, and for the mother's healthcare problems. You men sincerely believe there are absolutely no health issues with pregnancy. Vaginal tears and bleeding? Who cares, you'll heal.Lack of "maternity care", whatever that means in this context doesn't make murder okay. Another problem with you pro-abortion people; you think that if a situation isn't 100% ideal, then we should throw out basic human morality and be completely okay with killing children, because the existence, or lack thereof, of government programs determines right and wrong to you.
You keep cawing about 'killing children', and then you put maternity care in quotes. "Whatever that means." You know what it fucking means. Maternity leave is not even covered or paid in the US; that is determined solely by the employer. There is also the issue of maternity care deserts - better put those in quotation marks, too.
Fun fact: neither do you. You know a majority of those homeless are junkies and more are content living that way. I've seen nothing but bitching about homeless people and their liquid diarrhea shit being flung on passersby and all the needles. When the housing option is offered, you go, 'They're just like birds. If you feed them they just keep coming back' and a bunch of other comments from the side that claims they are pro-life. The rich segregate themselves from the homeless with walls, fences and spend money to keep them away. Other times they'll just pitch them in a certain place and let them linger there. Your argument is already stupid because A) the rich do that already and B)all this faux concern about the homeless is useless because you don't feel that way anyways.Take this argument and apply it to any other situation and you realize how stupid it is. For example, "How can you oppose rich people hunting down the poor and homeless for sport? You don't support government housing programs, or welfare to take care of them. You crow on and on about hunting down the poor and homeless, yet welfare to help those people are not in place." See how stupid that sounds?
In regards to abortion, the argument always is: "It's murder and you should just go through the nine months of pregnancy and just give it to somebody else on a waiting list. It doesn't matter how old or young you are; you're a slut for having sex and you chose to take that sperm deposit" (a phrase uttered by a female politician out of Utah). You men just want abortion banned; you offer no solutions or proposals to reduce the rate and constantly shame the women who get them as loose harlots who should be imprisoned or killed themselves (and yes, I have seen the latter argument; Louisiana even proposed the death penality for getting an abortion).
Yes, you fucking did.Did I fucking say that? No, I didn't. Once again, you love to create straw men and put words in people's mouths that they didn't say, to argue a point nobody was arguing.
" I would love to go to the hood to help those kids, but I won't because life is too hard and that's not possible for me."As much as I would want to go to the hood and give every child a chance at having a great life, with as little hardship as possible, that's just not possible. Life has always been hard.
Every fucking time. "Childcare for thee but not for me."