The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Dude, the only thing you can do is lob petty insults like a child. Either you're a shitty troll or a dumbass. Either way, get a life.
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you're upset that someone is holding you accountable for your actions. it's really that simple.

by the way, child support is something that is related to the abortion debate because if abortion were completely banned, the number of men having to pay child support is going to skyrocket, since you can't control yourselves.
 
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Lurker said:
you're upset that someone is holding you accountable for your actions.
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Oh fuck off. I'm not responding to you from here on out. Its clear to me you want to make this some personal slapfight, rather than actually debate the topic of thread, I'm not going to engage in someone who's obviously debating in bad faith.
 
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Lurker said:
i like when they whine about child support, meanwhile the mother is the one who has to do all the childcare while somehow also holding a job that pays enough. because it's not like there are mothers who struggle financially to care for their children or anything. i mean, because child support covers everything, even when the deadbeat man doesn't pay because he refuses to get a job because he doesn't want his wages garnished.

hey, moids, you know how you can avoid child support? don't pump and dump.

i have some familiarity with child support, and more often than not, when people see how much the men have to pay, it's because they haven't been fucking paying child support and now they have to backpay it, so no, the court doesn't give a shit if you suddenly lost your job or whatever, because you were delinquent in your child support payments.
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The woman has to deal with childcare, still hold down a job while recovering from childbirth. Something like 40% of women suffer an injury or condition during pregnancy or childbirth that is lifelong. Meanwhile moids are crying because they have to pay $80 a month that covers like, half a grocery order now.

Really amusing how the incel in here has been called out on it but still can't resist going all WAH WOMEN NEED TO STOP HAVING SEX.
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Dude, the only thing you can do is lob petty insults like a child. Either you're a shitty troll or a dumbass. Either way, get a life.
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Oh fuck off. I'm not responding to you from here on out. Its clear to me you want to make this some personal slapfight, rather than actually debate the topic of thread, I'm not going to engage in someone who's obviously debating in bad faith.
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I don't remember seeing lurker personally insult you once, incel.

Lurker brought up child support which is relevant because all you've done in here is repeat some variant of "women need to face consequences/pay the price/ take responsibility" for having sex. Yet as soon as men are on the hook for 1/10th of it, it becomes "trolling". Like you can't comprehend men are "paying the price" too.
 
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Lurker said:
just calling it like i see it, incel
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you didn't address the point, do women have agency or not?

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why do I even bother lmao
 
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Lurker said:
just calling it like i see it, incel

lol @ child support. you know, that thing that every deadbeat male whines about having to provide, and more often than not it's a fucking pittance that rarely is enough to actually "support" shit. but frankly if you're gonna force women to give birth, the sperm donor should be forced to stay and take care of it. "but what if the sperm donor was a rapist?" hey, man, you're the ones that want to force women to give birth to rapebabies, i just want to hold sperm donors accountable for their offspring.
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Based. A child has the inalienable right to both his father and his mother and the parent has the obligation to care for his child. Ideally the state puts a shotgun behind the back of the groom all the way to the wedding aisle, but when that's not applicable as it tends not be in reality, 50/50 custody should be the norm. I'm glad we can agree on this.
 
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Freya said:
I don't remember seeing lurker personally insult you once, incel.
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So calling me a "moid" and referring to men as "sperm donors" doesn't count as an insult to you? Right, got it chief. Yet another person with a warped worldview. Seriously, if you and that other guy are representative of pro-choice people, then it just shows that this practice is warped and destroys human intelligence and ability to reason, and needs to be banned...ASAP.

ITK said:
Based. A child has the inalienable right to both his father and his mother and the parent has the obligation to care for his child. Ideally the state puts a shotgun behind the back of the groom all the way to the wedding aisle, but when that's not applicable as it tends not be in reality, 50/50 custody should be the norm. I'm glad we can agree on this.
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That's the thing. In all that asshole's pontificating on child support, he failed to realize the simple fact of the matter that I never actually criticized the idea of child support itself. I only criticized how the current system holds men accountable, even in an illogical manner (primarily because the government gets a cut of child support checks, so has no incentive to fix the system or modify it), while women are allowed to shirk responsibility by simply murdering their child, and the man has no say, producing an inherently unfair system.

Most pro-life people don't oppose child support as a concept at all. They believe that both parents have an inalienable to care for their children and a responsibility to do so. That both parents should have the ability to do so and not have anyone, including the other parent, deprive them of that ability.

Wood said:
you didn't address the point, do women have agency or not?
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He'll never address the point. Because he's not here to address the point or deal with the debate in any meaningful way.
 
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Freya said:
cum is biologically alive. it also has unique DNA. it can react to stimuli. it's no different from a fertilized egg. you cant even say that mucus clot is a person. you use "potential" and "biological criteria." Everybody fucking knows that shit is not a human being. They pretend otherwise to own the libruhl journalists on twitter

Sperm have genetic differences and aren't all the same-
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I guess nobody ever explained to you what gametes are, or haploid cells and diploid cells. It's time to learn about biology.

A sperm and an egg are gametes, which constitute haploid cells. Haploid cells possess heterologous chromosomes, meaning that they possess one half of a set of chromosomes.

When a sperm and an egg are merged, a diploid cell is created, called a zygote. Diploid cells possess homologous chromosomes, meaning that they possess a full set of chromosomes.

The zygote then undergoes meiosis to form two polar bodies, one being a fertilized haploid daughter with 23 chromosomes and the other being unfertilized.

The two fuse back together, dividing immediately as diploid cells through mitosis, creating diploid daughter cells named blastomeres.

After four divisions creating sixteen blastomeres, the zygote is now a morula. The morula continues to undergo compaction, cell division and blastulation, becoming the blastocyst.

When the blastocyst reaches the implantation site, the blastocyst hatches from the zona pellucida and implants itself into the endometrial lining of the uterus, beginning gastrulation.

Congratulations, the lengthy yet abbreviated explanation of early embryonic development is complete.

Now, biology posits that life begins at conception, when the embryo implants itself into the uterine lining, as criteria like metabolism, homeostasis, response, and reproduction (on a cellular level) are achieved. You can't draw a parallel between a sperm, an egg and an embryo because gametes don't constitute a living human. Embryos, on the other hand, certainly meet the criteria. At this point, you either admit that an embryo (and by extension a fetus) is a living human, or deny biology. If you admit that the embryo is alive, then at that point, the whole debate on abortion turns into rationalizing the killing of a human in different situations. If you deny it, then you're arguing purely from emotion, not critical thinking.
 
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Freya said:
Oh no. They busted out the unquotable text walls
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and it was all for naught because any point he thought he had went right into the garbage the minute he said that 'biology posits life begins at conception', when the phrase 'life begins at conception' comes from the fucking bible, and in fact there's no real consensus on when "life" begins
 
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Lurker said:
...no it doesn't?

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As soon as I started reading, I knew it was a bullshit source.

It is difficult to get over the shock of the reversal of Roe v. Wade. The decision to allow individual states to restrict access to abortion is wrong, unfair, and inconsistent with our societal values on so many levels that it is difficult to focus on just one.
edit: you know what does mention that 'life begins at conception'? the fucking bible. Get your religious bullshit out of here. :story:
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Look man, you're acting like an emotionally-fragile dipshit about this topic.

Go back to Reddit if you can't stand biology. I'm sure r/feminism will shower you with pussy pics for your services to womankind.
 
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Gronk_Destroyer of Homos said:
As soon as I started reading, I knew it was a bullshit source.

It is difficult to get over the shock of the reversal of Roe v. Wade. The decision to allow individual states to restrict access to abortion is wrong, unfair, and inconsistent with our societal values on so many levels that it is difficult to focus on just one.

Look man, you're acting like an emotionally-fragile dipshit about this topic.
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lol, read nigga

i think the only emotionally-fragile people are the ones crying over clumps of cells that look like snot.

Go back to Reddit if you can't stand biology. I'm sure r/feminist will shower you with pussy pics for your services to womankind.
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-looks at join date- :story:
 
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