The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

And women should be held accountable for allowing herself to get impregnated in the first place. It takes two to tango, buddy. The woman didn't just lie there take it, she had to agree to have sex in the first place. Both parents need to be held accountable, and both parents should share equal responsibility. The system as it is does not do this. I don't know why you don't understand this. The issue isn't that men are held accountable. Its that men and women aren't held accountable equally.
Every single time this debate gets brought up, a man always says pregnancy is never his fault. Every time. It's as if you absolutely refuse to take the responsibility and accountability you state women lack. Men are always responsible for pregnancy. Period. You stuck your dick inside a woman. You ejaculated inside her. There was nothing stopping you from pulling out, yet the excuse you men give is 'well I didn't have time/it didn't feel good/I didn't want to.' In every single conversation, be it about pregnancy or abortion, you males will rant about murder and lack of accountability, while refusing to ever admit you instigated sex in the first place. (And the child support and the divorce courts and the custody battles, oh, you really bitch about those, too.)
Do you know anything about the current system? THIS IS WHAT THE LAW ALREADY DOES. Child support is mandatory, with threat of everything from garnished wages to jail time for those who don't pay.
Now let's make it at conception. If men are mad now, I want to see them bitch about the laws they demanded be enacted.
And if women don't want to have a baby, they can not let men ejaculate into them. Simple as.
You can choose to pull out. You can use a condom. Yet, every single time, you demand the woman be on birth control or take responsibility because you were lacking in yours. Cum on the floor, simple as, or use a towel. You men always, always blame the woman for 'letting the man ejaculate inside them' as if you didn't stick it in there to begin with. Who are the children, again?
Adoption isn't giving a child to the state. Its giving the child to another family. Children who are wards of the state end up in orphanages, not adoptions. Adoptions also aren't "dumping" children anywhere. The family who takes in the adopted child choose to adopt the child in question. People aren't just forced to take children they don't want. Do you even understand how any of the systems you are talking about work?
Foster care systems, especially in Texas, are already overwhelmed. A child doesn't need to have both parents dead to become a ward of the state. Adoptions is just you dumping - yes, dumping - your parental responsibility on someone else. Again, the onus is on the woman to do it, never you. You yourself stated you'd 'love to go to the hood and fix things' but you won't. Pretty easy to know why.
What are you even trying to argue here? Nobody in this thread has argued that the man didn't choose to have sex. But for some reason, you pro-abortion people seem to completely disregard that the woman in this scenario has agency and can simply choose to not have sex, completely forestalling the issue the abortion entirely. You can't argue that women are "forced" to carry children to term without completely taking away a woman's agency and ability to say no to sex.
"Nobody argues this"

You do, and have, repeatedly. Pro life men simultaneously argue that women have agency and are in full control of sex while making the argument that they are more rational and responsible party when they just keep ejaculating in women. "I couldn't help it/I couldn't stop it/It was too quick, honey". You can choose not to have sex. But men, compared to women, state they need it as if they are entitled to it. You cannot argue that the system is 'unfair' to men via the courts when you created those children because of a - ahem - lapse in judgement.

If a woman abstains from sex, you call her a frigid bitch. If she chooses to tick off all those boxes you want and has that child, she's 'wasted goods' because she's a single mother and I have seen what you men say about single moms and how devastating they are for children. There is simply no winning with you people.
Really, dude? All pro-life politicians are not advocating for reforming the adoption/foster care system? All of them? Speaking in absolutes is stupid.
Name one. Because I don't see that as a platform for LiveAction or any of the pro life organizations that are working to ban abortion state by state. And in states like Texas, you only get two months of pay for 'maternity care'. And that is for low income women. The statement that you cease giving a shit once those babies are born is undoubtedly true, and it is reflected in the absolute lack of maternity programs in the United States.
Lack of "maternity care", whatever that means in this context doesn't make murder okay. Another problem with you pro-abortion people; you think that if a situation isn't 100% ideal, then we should throw out basic human morality and be completely okay with killing children, because the existence, or lack thereof, of government programs determines right and wrong to you.
You know full well what it goddamn means. It means taking care of the mother and her newborn - the one you demanded be born - afterwards, and for the mother's healthcare problems. You men sincerely believe there are absolutely no health issues with pregnancy. Vaginal tears and bleeding? Who cares, you'll heal.

You keep cawing about 'killing children', and then you put maternity care in quotes. "Whatever that means." You know what it fucking means. Maternity leave is not even covered or paid in the US; that is determined solely by the employer. There is also the issue of maternity care deserts - better put those in quotation marks, too.

Take this argument and apply it to any other situation and you realize how stupid it is. For example, "How can you oppose rich people hunting down the poor and homeless for sport? You don't support government housing programs, or welfare to take care of them. You crow on and on about hunting down the poor and homeless, yet welfare to help those people are not in place." See how stupid that sounds?
Fun fact: neither do you. You know a majority of those homeless are junkies and more are content living that way. I've seen nothing but bitching about homeless people and their liquid diarrhea shit being flung on passersby and all the needles. When the housing option is offered, you go, 'They're just like birds. If you feed them they just keep coming back' and a bunch of other comments from the side that claims they are pro-life. The rich segregate themselves from the homeless with walls, fences and spend money to keep them away. Other times they'll just pitch them in a certain place and let them linger there. Your argument is already stupid because A) the rich do that already and B)all this faux concern about the homeless is useless because you don't feel that way anyways.

In regards to abortion, the argument always is: "It's murder and you should just go through the nine months of pregnancy and just give it to somebody else on a waiting list. It doesn't matter how old or young you are; you're a slut for having sex and you chose to take that sperm deposit" (a phrase uttered by a female politician out of Utah). You men just want abortion banned; you offer no solutions or proposals to reduce the rate and constantly shame the women who get them as loose harlots who should be imprisoned or killed themselves (and yes, I have seen the latter argument; Louisiana even proposed the death penality for getting an abortion).

Did I fucking say that? No, I didn't. Once again, you love to create straw men and put words in people's mouths that they didn't say, to argue a point nobody was arguing.
Yes, you fucking did.
As much as I would want to go to the hood and give every child a chance at having a great life, with as little hardship as possible, that's just not possible. Life has always been hard.
" I would love to go to the hood to help those kids, but I won't because life is too hard and that's not possible for me."

Every fucking time. "Childcare for thee but not for me."
 
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. - English Proverb
A 12 week old fetus may look like a baby, but it’s got a long ways to go before becoming a really alive person.
Yeah. Saying "life" misses the point too. They can't refute that cum is alive. They have to change the topic and say "it doesn't count because the genetic makeup is different from an embryo". Ok so fucking what
Humans have 2 sets of 23 chromosomes, for a total of 46. However sex cells undergo an additional round of meiosis, so that each one has 23 chromosomes, one of every set.

Haploid cells like sperm and ova are non viable before fertilization. Sperm in particular die all the time when you Jack off. Do you think you’re committing a little Holocaust every time you fap?
I merely find it funny that in your striving to be traditional you've argued yourself into siding with Moloch. My ancestors, when they had found that a woman had suffocated and buried her child under the floor boards, or left him in the woods to die of exposure, cut off her head and burned her body on the stake.
I think your Witcher III fan fiction belongs in Arts and Literature.
 
What if its a grotesque incest-rape-tard baby? Damaged goods are no good.
If you were raped, you'd presumably be wise enough to be on the lookout for signs of pregnancy (4 months is enough to tell), hell, you could use mifepristone, an abortion medicine, just in case. As for tard babies, I make an exception for those since symptoms may be impossible to tell at 4 months of pregnancy.
 
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Every single time this debate gets brought up, a man always says pregnancy is never his fault.
Once again, point to someone in this thread who has actively argued this. Nobody is arguing this, so stop fucking bringing it up. Its a non sequitur.

Men are always responsible for pregnancy. Period. You stuck your dick inside a woman. You ejaculated inside her.
And women are also responsible for pregnancy for being ejaculated into. Once again, nobody is arguing that men aren't responsible for causing pregnancy. But women carry equal responsibility.

u males will rant about murder and lack of accountability, while refusing to ever admit you instigated sex in the first place.
Instigated sex, motherfucker? Because women can never want sex too, or initiate it themselves? Get a fucking life.

Now let's make it at conception. If men are mad now, I want to see them bitch about the laws they demanded be enacted.
This is a distinction without a difference. If the woman doesn't abort her baby, the father is always on the hook for child support, regardless. Your argument makes no sense and changes little to nothing.

You can choose to pull out. You can use a condom. Yet, every single time, you demand the woman be on birth control or take responsibility because you were lacking in yours.
I think you need to step away from the computer and breath motherfucker. Touch some fucking grass. I'm not your deadbeat ex-boyfriend. Stop projecting your life problems and bad experiences onto me. Go see a psychiatrist.

I am not making any particular demands of any woman. Whether you choose to take birth control or not is on you. Just like whether or not a man chooses to use a condom or not is on him. Your man won't wear a condom? Don't fuck him. If one or both of you refuse to use any birth control, both of you will have to live with the consequences.

Foster care systems, especially in Texas, are already overwhelmed.
Which means what, exactly? That they need reform? That they need more funding? Either way, that has nothing to do with abortion, nor does them being overwhelmed justify murder.

adoptions is just you dumping - yes, dumping - your parental responsibility on someone else.
No, its not. Plenty of people want to adopt children. Nobody adopts a child without jumping through the hoops, willingly, to do so. Your constant attempt to use the word "dump" like adopted children are trash says more about you than it does about anything else.

You do, and have, repeatedly.
Quote me motherfucker. Quote one time that said that men don't choose to have sex. You can't, because I've never said that. Once again, are obsessed with putting words in my mouth and projecting your life's bullshit onto me.

Pro life men simultaneously argue that women have agency and are in full control of sex while making the argument that they are more rational and responsible party when they just keep ejaculating in women.
Let me educate you for a second. This is a straw man argument. You've raised up this straw man of "pro life men" and created this entire argument in your head about what "pro life men" believe, when you've probably never heard a single prolife man argue this shit. Stop raising straw men. Argue what actually being argued in the thread or fuck off.

But men, compared to women, state they need it as if they are entitled to it.
Another straw man. But even if men did argue this, women are still human beings with agency. If a woman doesn't want to have unsafe sex with a man, she can always say no. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter what men do or don't believe. If a woman says "no" its a moot point.

If a woman abstains from sex, you call her a frigid bitch.
Once again, stop projecting. Nobody in this thread has called women frigid bitches for refusing. And nobody gives a shit if somebody in your life has called you one for not putting out. Get over it and move on.

Name one.
I don't got to do shit. I'm not the one making an argument regarding "all prolife politicians".

Because I don't see that as a platform for LiveAction or any of the pro life organizations that are working to ban abortion state by state.
I highly doubt you've checked the platform of every prolife organization in existence. But even if you did, so what? These are prolife organizations, not adoption/child services reform organizations, which do in fact exist and are separate from them. Just because these organizations don't list reforming of adoption or foster care in their planks doesn't mean that they oppose reform. That's just not the focus of their organization.

You men sincerely believe there are absolutely no health issues with pregnancy.
You just can't stop straw manning can you? You sound like one of the crazy feminists that this site mocks. "You men" this, "all men" that, Jesus, get a life. Seriously.

You keep cawing about 'killing children', and then you put maternity care in quotes. "Whatever that means." You know what it fucking means. Maternity leave is not even covered or paid in the US; that is determined solely by the employer. There is also the issue of maternity care deserts - better put those in quotation marks, too.
I don't oppose paid maternity leave, but that's a separate issue from abortion. Whether or not maternity leave is a thing doesn't change the fact that abortion is murder.

Your argument is already stupid because A) the rich do that already and B)all this faux concern about the homeless is useless because you don't feel that way anyways.
Really motherfucker? The rich run around shooting the homeless in the street? Murdering the homeless is legal? Once again, get a life.

"It's murder and you should just go through the nine months of pregnancy and just give it to somebody else on a waiting list. It doesn't matter how old or young you are; you're a slut for having sex and you chose to take that sperm deposit"
Yes abortion is murder. I would rather you take care of your child than put it up for adoption, but adoption is an option, and people should know that. The slutshaming is just more of your projection again.

You men just want abortion banned; you offer no solutions or proposals to reduce the rate
Abortion should be banned because its murder, period. As for solutions or proposals, what would you propose? Contraception is already widely available. Single mothers can already get child support and go on welfare. ADOPTION IS AN OPTION. What solutions are you possibly looking for at this point, besides telling people to stop having sex?

" I would love to go to the hood to help those kids, but I won't because life is too hard and that's not possible for me."
That is literally not what I said. You LITERALLY fucking sat here and twisted my words like nobody can read what I wrote. I never said I wouldn't help kids in the hood, just that couldn't help ALL OF THEM. Basic reading comprehension motherfucker.
 
The only scenario where I can understand someone getting an abortion is if the mother is at high risk of dying in labor. Otherwise I feel life is sacred from the moment of conception. Maybe it might also be okay if they're is a sign of the child being born with a lethal birth defect.
 
Last I checked the gap between mens' and womens' opinions on abortion in America is around 5%. Many men are pro abortion and many women are anti abortion, and vice versa. I've always found it bizarre to argue one sex is more responsible for the mess we're in. Neither men or women are monoliths on it.
 
I think your Witcher III fan fiction belongs in Arts and Literature.
"Woaw this is just like in my video gaymes!!!!" The Witcher didn't invent the concept of ghost arising from the souls of murdered infants. If I'm not wrong the game is based on Polish folklore, and that idea is an archetype in folklore all over Europe (here they're called mylingar) because infant exposure or killing was relatively commonplace due to the extreme dishonour of fathering a bastard as an unwed woman (though it was still rare and the act was viewed as reprehensible by most people).
 
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"Woaw this is just like in my video gaymes!!!!" The Witcher didn't invent the concept of ghost arising from the souls of murdered infants. If I'm not wrong the game is based on Polish folklore, and that idea is an archetype in folklore all over Europe (here they're called mylingar) because infant exposure or killing was relatively commonplace due to the extreme dishonour of fathering a bastard as an unwed woman (though it was still rare and the act was viewed as reprehensible by most people).
If you don't want to be treated like an insufferable nerd, don't write insufferably nerdy peans about how "your ancestors" would murder women suspected of infanticide.
 
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Yet another TX woman was forced to give birth to a nonviable pregnancy due to being unable to afford to leave the state for an abortion, this time it was conjoined twins that were completely FUBAR (like missing vital organs and shit). A woman had to go thru a high-risk pregnancy/birth and get a third c-section because Texas thinks doomed fetuses are more important than women's health.
It sounds like this woman didn't want to comply with provided transport for medical for some reason to and from her appointments. They absolutely provide this in Texas. Something is weird about this story. Don't feel too sorry for this woman.
 
It sounds like this woman didn't want to comply with provided transport for medical for some reason to and from her appointments. They absolutely provide this in Texas. Something is weird about this story. Don't feel too sorry for this woman.

So glad a dude in this thread can let all the women folk know they should not feel sorry for a woman who gave birth to two dead potatoes because she couldn’t get an abortion near her home.

She couldn’t even get competent medical advice because doctors are afraid to even mention termination.
 
It sounds like this woman didn't want to comply with provided transport for medical for some reason to and from her appointments. They absolutely provide this in Texas. Something is weird about this story. Don't feel too sorry for this woman.
Not to pile on, but I wouldn't be thrilled with that either. I'd feel like I was being abducted in a hearse to be experimented on by incompetent alien doctors.
One of the few things she could control here was her transport. She couldn't terminate, couldn't leave, and probably couldn't even choose her doctors but at least she could choose to take a bus.
 
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